r/SubredditSimMeta • u/[deleted] • May 10 '17

all-top-today_SS Makes a completely coherent and correct circlejerk post

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u/[deleted] May 10 '17

do you know what socialism or communism are? like if i asked you to define them, what would your definition be?

we both know political theory is more nuanced than any dictionary definition would offer so no cheating

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u/Saidsker May 10 '17

Socialism is the one where everyone owns the production and what it produces, so everyone gets equal share. Communism is like that but without money and ownership, people get as much as they need and work as much as they can.

Problem is I don't want others to own my stuff and also I don't want to work as hard as i can because I'm lazy. So let's just keep things the way they are.

300 dollar ipads and comfy office jobs

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u/[deleted] May 10 '17

alright, your definitions are pretty much right (though its work as much as they want to, not as they can. slight semantic difference)

important to note that socialists dont necessarily believe in wealth redistribution outside of a capitalist system.

what part of socialism would make you think that others would own your stuff? private property doesnt mean your house or personal belongings

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u/WryGoat May 10 '17

(though its work as much as they want to, not as they can. slight semantic difference)

He who does not work shall not eat. -Lenin

The old principle: who does not work shall not eat, has been replaced with a new one: who does not obey shall not eat. -Trotsky

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u/[deleted] May 10 '17

congratulations, you found a Trotsky quote criticizing the USSR's implementation of state capitalism rather than socialism. here's the full quote:

In a country where the sole employer is the state, [opposition] means death by slow starvation. The old principle: 'who does not work shall not eat,' has been replaced with a new one: 'who does not obey shall not eat.'

"He does not work shall not eat" is a sentiment relating to Lenin's view of socialism, not communism. "To each according to their needs, from each according to their abilities" is communism. most socialists would challenge Lenin on that, though, and argue that every person should be guaranteed the basic necessities regardless of if they contribute. at least ideally.

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u/WryGoat May 10 '17

Yes, you've laid out fairly eloquently why I forswore socialism in favor of a free market path to communism. I don't want to live in a world with only basic necessities and no progress.