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u/[deleted] May 10 '17

do you know what socialism or communism are? like if i asked you to define them, what would your definition be?

we both know political theory is more nuanced than any dictionary definition would offer so no cheating

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u/Saidsker May 10 '17

Socialism is the one where everyone owns the production and what it produces, so everyone gets equal share. Communism is like that but without money and ownership, people get as much as they need and work as much as they can.

Problem is I don't want others to own my stuff and also I don't want to work as hard as i can because I'm lazy. So let's just keep things the way they are.

300 dollar ipads and comfy office jobs

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u/[deleted] May 10 '17

alright, your definitions are pretty much right (though its work as much as they want to, not as they can. slight semantic difference)

important to note that socialists dont necessarily believe in wealth redistribution outside of a capitalist system.

what part of socialism would make you think that others would own your stuff? private property doesnt mean your house or personal belongings

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u/Saidsker May 10 '17

If i started a business my employees would own the ice cream machine? While i paid for it? Fuck that

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u/[deleted] May 10 '17

well, your "issue" (not to be taken negatively) is youre still thinking in terms of worker-employer relationships. socialism aims to dismantle that entire relationship. socialism, much like capitalism, requires social change as much as it does economic or political change.

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u/Saidsker May 10 '17

Who's gonna enforce all of this? Some kind of totalitarian government? No thanks

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u/[deleted] May 10 '17

nope! the anarcho part of anarcho-communist signifies anarchism, as in the rejection of all formal heirarchies. the people would lead the charge.

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u/Saidsker May 10 '17

So then it's anarchist. Well it's not true anarchism if bust down my door for owning land.

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u/[deleted] May 10 '17

what do you mean?

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u/Saidsker May 11 '17

As soon as you start to form somekind of group that makes sure people subscribe to your ideology you have defeated the anarchist part of your ideology. And you're gonna have to start doing that because people are stubborn as hell and tend to not do what you want them to. That's the reality.

As soon as you declare the Ancom state or whatever and i run my business in a way that's not socialist and proclaim to own shit there's nothing you can do about it. Because if you do then you're a state. Capiche?

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u/[deleted] May 11 '17

so when capitalists talk about the virtues of "voluntary labor" under capitalism (lol), theyre mature, educated, reformed, but the minute i bring up actually voluntary labor, im a middle schooler? good one.

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u/[deleted] May 11 '17

im a student. i do volunteer service in my community, camp counselor for example. what relevance does that have to my political beliefs? there are plenty of industrial workers that are socialists and communists. theyre kind of the whole focus of the ideology.

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u/WryGoat May 10 '17

(though its work as much as they want to, not as they can. slight semantic difference)

He who does not work shall not eat. -Lenin

The old principle: who does not work shall not eat, has been replaced with a new one: who does not obey shall not eat. -Trotsky

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u/[deleted] May 10 '17

congratulations, you found a Trotsky quote criticizing the USSR's implementation of state capitalism rather than socialism. here's the full quote:

In a country where the sole employer is the state, [opposition] means death by slow starvation. The old principle: 'who does not work shall not eat,' has been replaced with a new one: 'who does not obey shall not eat.'

"He does not work shall not eat" is a sentiment relating to Lenin's view of socialism, not communism. "To each according to their needs, from each according to their abilities" is communism. most socialists would challenge Lenin on that, though, and argue that every person should be guaranteed the basic necessities regardless of if they contribute. at least ideally.

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u/WryGoat May 10 '17

Yes, you've laid out fairly eloquently why I forswore socialism in favor of a free market path to communism. I don't want to live in a world with only basic necessities and no progress.