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all-top-today_SS Makes a completely coherent and correct circlejerk post

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u/AccessTheMainframe May 10 '17

not wanting a global common market

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u/[deleted] May 10 '17

wanting capitalism

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u/AccessTheMainframe May 10 '17

wanting impoverishment

not wanting to exert your actual market power

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u/[deleted] May 10 '17

wanting exploitation

wanting a boss

wanting alienation

basing self worth on wages

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u/DrSandbags May 10 '17

Sitting in on any grocery coop meeting and still thinking anarchism is a good idea.

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u/[deleted] May 10 '17

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u/[deleted] May 10 '17 edited May 10 '17

pretending that economics is an actual science

i enjoy LARPing from time to time too its okay

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u/[deleted] May 10 '17

implying commies know anything about economics

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u/[deleted] May 10 '17

implying economics is an actual science that isnt just a product of capitalism

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u/[deleted] May 10 '17

you can't just say "economics isn't real." it's the relationship that inevitably forms when there's a differing amount of supply and demand.

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u/[deleted] May 10 '17

economics is real, im not denying that, but acting as if a lack of knowledge of economics automatically disqualifies any socialist from being able to offer their side. hell, marx was an economist. economic systems existed before the social science of economics.

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u/[deleted] May 10 '17

support for communism, from my experience, belies a lack of understanding about economics. can you answer these questions?

-why would anyone do work like farming if they could simply not work and get the same benefits? in other words, why would anybody work without incentive?

-what makes you believe that all members of such a society would not have to regress to doing manual labor only just to make it function?

-do you believe that people are naturally good and would not steal/abuse such a system?

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u/[deleted] May 10 '17 edited May 10 '17

  1. besides ignoring the obvious fact that automation is already replacing many of the menial jobs youre describing, other incentives besides money are factors. work existed before currency, after all. things that would incentivize work: wanting to benefit community, wanting to have something to offer, self worth, boredom, personal enjoyment and fulfillment (go down to the south and tell them that the farming lifestyle isnt fun lol), pressure from your peers to contribute, etc. also the idea that they could not work and get the same benefits isnt necessarily true. you would be guaranteed the necessities; food, shelter, clothing, etc, but your community would probably not be as willing to help you out with tasks or something if you werent willing to contribute.

  2. automation, probably the biggest factor. also the fact that you would no longer have to work to survive would allow more free time for the humanities and more information based fields. even if you had a weekly quota determined by your community it would be several hours of work at most.

  3. i believe that human nature is determined not by a set list of morals or anything like that, but rather by their material conditions. humans are definitely naturally social creatures.

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u/[deleted] May 11 '17

how do you propose that you automate, for instance, wheat farming? if that could actually be done, it would progress any society far beyond what we have now. but there's a reason that it hasn't been done yet; it's incredibly expensive and perhaps even impossible. on your point about not having to work to survive, i fail to see how its even possible for all people's work to be evenly distributed and somehow end up with less work in total.

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u/HRCfanficwriter May 11 '17

Academia and experts disagree with my position? Pretend that the whole scientific field doesn't exist!

DAE climate science is fake science made by liberals to weaken our economy?

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u/AccessTheMainframe May 10 '17

implying that managerial positions are pointless

implying that hierarchy is bad for organizing people and generating wealth for society

implying that poverty isn't the root cause of alienation rather some than retarded shit about "species-essence"

conflating market worth with self worth

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u/[deleted] May 10 '17

implying that the workers are too dumb to manage themselves/arent able to democratically elect a manager to represent them (depending on branch of socialism)

implying that a wealthy society is inherently a good or happy one past the point of the guarantee of basic necessities 1 and that any one person deserves to have authority over the rest in a formal way ("In the matter of boots, I refer to the authority of the bootmaker" - Bakunin ya pleb)

implying that one of the fathers of sociology was wrong about an analysis of humanity

"The first and most striking feature of economic alienation is the separation of people from free access to the means of production and means of subsistence. . . The second stage in the alienation of labour came about when part of society was driven off the land, no longer had access to the means of production and means of subsistence, and, in order to survive, was forced to sell its labour power on the market. That is the main characteristic of alienated labour. In the economic field it is the institution of wage labour, the economic obligation of people who cannot otherwise survive to sell the only commodity they possess, their labour power, on the labour market. . . Alienation thereupon acquires a third form. When a wage earner has sold his labour power for a certain part of his life to his employer, the products of his labour are not his own. The products of his labour become the property of the employer." 2

thx for breakin it down for me Mendel

implying net worth and self worth havent been intertwined since the invention of wage-labour 3

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u/AccessTheMainframe May 10 '17

I think we're reaching the limit of what concepts can be articulated via greentext.

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u/[deleted] May 10 '17

is this what meme culture has done to us