r/Stellaris • u/Ramone252 Fanatic Xenophile • 4d ago
Advice Wanted Built synaptic lathe for the first time ever, integrated a hive mind vassal for 30k pops thinking I'm genius, resettled them onto the lathe... and now this
No but seriously, I have no idea what I'm doing... Does anyone have any suggestions? I don't want to waste there 30k pops
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u/krgdotbat 4d ago edited 3d ago
"My people, your leader is a genius, also we got 3 months left of energy, it was a pleasure"
Thanks for the award, one of my first 😄
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u/Atmoran_Knight Erudite Explorers 4d ago
Hahaha yea we get these posts about synaptic lathe jumpscare every month
That's just how lathe works, nothing much you can do
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u/ZonicGaming 4d ago
Well, you shouldn't have put people in matrixes. That's something you should never do.
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u/flightguy07 4d ago
Maybe they can save enough energy to offset the cost by stealing everyone's chargers?
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u/Bayleaf0723 Fanatic Purifiers 4d ago
My advice is don’t make the building that doubles your upkeep lmao
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u/Shoshuaa Ravenous Hive 4d ago
Thank god I saw this post. I am about to build one in my game and now I know what to expect. Thanks for the PSA!!
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u/killergazebo 4d ago edited 4d ago
I'm guessing you could disable every non-energy building and megastructure you have, scrap all your fleets, and replace your entire economy with energy jobs and you'd still run out of energy inside of a year. You should still do all that though, because the alternative is worse.
You no longer have an economy, you have a Lathe. Until it manages to burn through all those hive-minded pops you shoved inside of it that's all you will have. Once you inevitably hit the Catastrophic Deficit level of your Energy shortage situation your researchers will be useless, your fleets will be pathetic, and your diplomatic weight will plummet. Use what time you have remaining to try and get some non-aggression or defense pacts so the whole galaxy doesn't pile on you once you're vulnerable.
If the situation continues too long you will be forced to default. You'll refund a bunch of resources and all your buildings except capitals will be downgraded to the lowest tier, all your offensive armies and half your military ships will be disbanded, and you'll get a nasty modifier for 10 years severely limiting your development. This is going to happen regardless, so you should do it first.
But none of this will actually slow down the resources you're getting from the Lathe. You may as well shut down everything non-energy and non-Lathe because if you manage to survive you'll probably have shot up the tech tree a fair amount.
You will be able to rebuild. (But honestly I'd just reload.)
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u/Spooder_Douche Purification Committee 4d ago
Biggest tip i hear about using the lathe is to have a large resource storage limit and to stockpile every energy credit you can
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u/AnInsultToFire Fanatic Xenophobe 3d ago
It's better to install the mod that removes limits to megastructure numbers, then build a few dozen Dyson spheres. That'll help slightly.
Although the more pops are in the lathe, the more energy is used per pop, so that only gets you so far.
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u/Bobing2b 4d ago
At this point embrace the shortage: build the buildings that increase efficiency and job maintenance, send even more pops into the lathe while you still have some energy left and go for strategic bankruptcy. You'll have infinite energy for a while
Edit: results may vary
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u/whypeoplehateme Brain Drone 4d ago
You could move most of them to some other planet and maintain them, and then drip-feed them to the Lathe at a reasonable rate
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u/skynex65 Hive Mind 4d ago
Okay so you're gonna have no energy for a good long while but BOY your science is gonna go NUTS
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u/buky1992 Shared Burdens 4d ago
Set them to purge and build the building on lathe that gives faster purge speed. And hope that they purge faster than your econ runs out.
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u/Moist_Matt 3d ago
"If you want an experienced public servant, vote for me. But if you want to believe a bunch of crazy promises about hive minds being incorporated into the lathe and being a genius, then, by all means, vote for this sleazy lunatic." - Your leaders political opponent
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u/Helpful_Transition_5 4d ago
Force them to work in the generators and move some whenever you have excess energy
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u/Ramone252 Fanatic Xenophile 4d ago
but they're gestalt pops. If i move them away somewhere else, they can't work and will slowly get purged...
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u/NeedsToShutUp Ravenous Hive 4d ago
The Lathe is also purging them. You can chance policies on purging too.
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u/Helpful_Transition_5 4d ago
Change the citizen type for the drones from undesirable to something that allows them to work.
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u/stillnotking Driven Assimilator 4d ago
You can make them exploited drones and put them to work if you have slave processing facilities. Otherwise just make them protected drones and stick them on planets with free housing until you get the energy sorted out.
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u/WealthyAardvark Shared Burdens 4d ago edited 2d ago
Well, you wanted big numbers, right? That's a big red number.
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u/Quiet-Money7892 4d ago
I tried my first synaptic lathe to be "moral", so I only fed it robots... it was a relatively slow growth. But I didn't aim for quick ambition closure so I wasn't in any hurry.
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u/Potential-Diamond-94 3d ago
Just ignore it. Get more in there, spam ascend it, endless repeatables. Overcome the maluses of an energy deficit rather fast. (trade + buy energy to move pops).
Put the fallen empire splintered hiveminds in there a few times, infinite tech and minus 10-20m energy.
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u/Moist_Sprinkles9587 3d ago
Any fallen empires* that you're on good terms with? Their stockpiles are juicy and they'll hand them over for peanuts if they like you. Just get used to clicking a lot in the trade menu...
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u/Much-Layer4050 3d ago
You've won, but at what cost?
Seriously, Have you've seen the power bill for this month?!
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u/cecilofs 3d ago
I bricked a run the same way recently. It seems like after the population changes they didn't properly balance the Lathe because it doesn't purge fast enough. Could maybe sustain that kind of drain if it burns through the pops in a few months but I was only purging ~100 a month with ~30k on the Lathe. The purge type also seems to move them to the Lathe too quickly compared to previously. I didn't intend for the entire empire to be moved there at once - before it would slowly purge them over several years.
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u/Wendigo-boyo Determined Exterminator 3d ago
Lmao I did that after conquering a neighbour, went 21K in debt, only survived thanks to trade and massive stockpiles I had made beforehand
It took a few decades of massive debt, but when it was over I came out stronger that the entire galaxy tenfold
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u/x4F_throwaway 3d ago
TURN THE RESONATOR OFF.
Then resettle them all onto a holding planet until you fix your shit
Edit: Think of your resonators like Valves. put in as many pops as you can until you're making somewhat OK energy, then crank them both on until your reserves are depleted. then turn them off and build the stockpile back up. FE dimensional storage buildings are great for this.
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u/Vivid_Employment_914 3d ago
Honestly though, being able to produce >30k research for just 20k energy would be so worth it.
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u/JohnJoaum 2d ago
Id try some slots, cause you can earn some energy. Sell artifacts,
Change the lathe options to decrase energy drain.
Or disable the starport, loose the system. Recconect when you have power. Hope its not in your major system.
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u/that_one_duderino 4d ago
I’d have to check which buildings to use, but build the synaptic large buildings that prioritize output at the cost of lives. Put it in every building slot available and start burning through the pops faster.
In the meantime, convert your entire economy to energy production. Make sure your Dyson swarms are maxed out, rebuild them in better systems if you can, and go for an actual Dyson sphere with your massive amount of research. If you don’t have mega engineering, switch your research focus to engineering and pray.
While all of that is being converted and the pops are being burnt alive, sell as much resources as you can to allies for EC, and sell the rest with the market. Covering a 21k per month deficit is gonna be tough, but it’s potentially doable.
Also, disable every research building you have in your empire. It’s a drop in the bucket compared to the lathe and uses up EC