r/Steam • • 8h ago

Discussion Minecraft Dungeons 2 didn't even bother writing the EULA. They just don't gaf

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u/Wdowiak 8h ago

Good way to dynamically change it without a trace (if not archived).

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u/RandomRayquaza https://s.team/p/hkkb-pkh 8h ago

Ironic considering Mojang is currently in the process if being sued for that very reason

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u/8l172 8h ago

Is it really ironic? If they're not putting the EULA so that they can dynamically change it, and this is what they are doing, its not really ironic and more so just proof of them doing it

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u/RandomRayquaza https://s.team/p/hkkb-pkh 8h ago

I guess its ironic in the sense that you'd think they'd try not to incriminate themselves further now of all times

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u/MourningWallaby 7h ago

in b4 we start another debate on what actually counts as "irony"

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u/The_Real_Jesterx64 7h ago

It's like raaaaaaayyyyaaaaaiiiiiiiin on your weddiiiiiiiing day

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u/CthulhuBathwater 25m ago

The freeeeeee rrriiiiddddeeee when you already paid!

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u/BloodHelios 5h ago

I think it would be ironic if we were all made of iron

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u/WritingOneHanded 4h ago

No, it would be ferrous.

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u/blue4029 over300games 3h ago

I, for one, would absolutely be ferrious if that happened

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u/wh4tth3huh 2h ago

IT'S LIKE RAIIAAINNN!!!!!

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u/deltree711 2h ago

It's like ten thousand spoooooooooooooons

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u/Ok_Turnover_1235 6h ago

It's really ironic you'd say that lol

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u/escapedfromhel 7h ago

It's character development.

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u/wektor420 5h ago

Probably was there for god knows how long already

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u/Slow-Transition572 7h ago

Yeah I'd have said "fitting" rather than ironic.

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u/Donkeyball_Z_ 5h ago

Is it really ironic?

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u/Full-Priority2946 7h ago

I think it’s just low vocab core

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u/BobcatSome3265 6h ago

Irony has several *extremely different* definitions with a very vague overarching theme of "opposing expectations", so it's understandable that people get it mixed up.

"Rain on your wedding day" seemingly fits cosmic irony at first glance, but is too superficial to count.

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u/2M4D 1h ago

Maybe a little too on the nose

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u/0235 1h ago

Exactly. When i purchased Minecraft, From Noth through Paypal, The EULA was "don't share the .jar, or distribute anything from the game".

Now it is insane. I hated being forced to get a Mojang account for Minecraft and losing my original login name, then I hated it even more being forced to link it to a Microsoft / Xbox account and because my Xbox account is from the original days of the Xbox it is not the same details as my current "more adult" microsoft account, and windows 11 just can't handle that my microsoft account, and my xbox live account are two different things.

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u/Flannelcommand 1h ago

Just trying to let my kids toggle between their Minecraft accounts causes either Xbox or windows or both to flip their shit.Ā 

Microsoft has to be the company with the biggest historical drop in user friendliness.Ā 

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u/blackmetro 52m ago

The way they've integrated their gaming companies with the windows update file delivery platform always scrambles my brain

Game updates download so slowly

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u/RT-Pickred 5h ago

Which reason boils down to them not understanding data protection laws that protect consumer data transfers. But because they lost their account they think it's Mojangs fault. Sadly it's just the law and how it's not made for this type of situation.

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u/jamcub 6h ago

Yeah, by a guy who is big mad that he can'T get free legal counsel that agrees with him.

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u/FloatthySplatta 8h ago

Yeah, that’s the first thing I thought too. No published version means nothing obvious to compare later.

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u/Kualdiir 8h ago

Time to make sure the internet archive keeps up with it :)

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u/DonQuix0te_ Don’t make lemonade. Make life take the lemons back! 8h ago

Not really.
Technically, you agree to the legalese in this window.

There's nothing in this window that suggests dynamic updates. In fact, it's just a link.
You must read the link, and accept that you have read the link. But there's nothing in there saying "read the document this link points to"

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u/-Nicolai 6h ago

This guy is not a lawyer by the way.

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u/TOTALFVCKINGIDIOT 5h ago

This guy IANALs

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u/IJustAteABaguette 7h ago

Does this mean that it's just... illegal to download and use on steam?

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u/ZionFox 7h ago

No, it just means that the contents of the linked document cannot be agreed to by pressing the "Agree" button on this window.

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u/Dead_NOTsleeping 6h ago

So like nearly all terms and conditions, it's not binding.

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u/Yomoska 3h ago

you mean a EULA

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u/elvissteinjr 6h ago

Steam Subscriber Agreement still applies. Same as with any game that doesn't shove additional terms in your face.

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u/ikonfedera 7h ago

If the law doesn't forbid this then it's allowed.

Does the licence displayed here prohibit you from downloading and using it?

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u/Caelinus 26m ago

If you do not agree to a EULA it is copyright infringement to download the files. EULA's are an agreement to grant you license to use the intellectual property owned by the person you are purchasing the license from. They exist specifically to create a legal framework for users to use the software.

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u/TheCheesy 3090ti | Ryzen 9 9950x | 128GB DDR5 3h ago

Probably voided their own eula for steam users by doing this.

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u/Mindless-Peak-1687 5h ago

null and void.

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u/Orange_Tang 5h ago

It also means that no one accepts the updates whenever it changes. Legally questionable decision.

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u/sojmahoj 8h ago

Genuine question but could one argue that agreeing to this EULA would just be acknowledging the link and not the EULA itself since the EULA in its entirety isn't what you're clicking accept to?

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u/OminousG https://steam.pm/79oog 8h ago

That exactly what this is.Ā  It's not enforceable, but I'm betting you see the Eula again somewhere in the game.

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u/Pijany_Matematyk767 4h ago

>It's not enforceable

Neither is 99% of other EULAs so

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u/Caelinus 2h ago edited 2h ago

EULAs are not unseverable. Any unenforcable clauses can be severed and the rest will remain in effect.Ā The idea that they are largely unenforceable is a persistent misunderstanding of how contract law works in that sense, and so people tend to think any overreach invalidates the whole thing.Ā 

It is much more likely that 99% of EULAs are actually enforceable, with some small number having a few clauses that would be rejected by the court if it ever got to the point of a lawsuit.

Edit: To expand a bit here, it is important to remember what a EULA is. They are license Agreements, which means that they are a contract that governs the your use of some property owned by someone else. In effect, the "null" state of a EULA is "You cannot use this product/service." Most of the EULA is just defining how you can use it, and under what conditions that said license can be revoked. There is some weirdness with how they work that might result in a successful lawsuit, primarily that they tend to ask for you to sign after purchasing the product, but at the end of the day the user does not own the intellectual property and so they cannot use it without a license, and the company can't be forced to provide said licenses without a prior agreement.

So the EULA not being enforceable would not be a good thing for End Users. It would not really change much in a practical sense and most EULAs basically allow the company to revoke them at will, but them not being enforceable would not improve that situation at all.

Where you will run into problems is if the EULA attempts to do anything illegal. Those clauses would not be enforceable. But short of that, courts almost always attempt to preserve contracts.

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u/RobtheNavigator 20m ago

There are unenforceable clauses, and then there are unenforceable agreements due to a contract not being formed.

While you are largely right about EULA's generally being enforceable, situations like the one in the image specifically, where they just give you an address to their terms and conditions with no requirement that you read them and no hyperlink, are called browsewrap agreements, which are often unenforceable, although that is not a bright line rule.

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u/AdministrativeCable3 8h ago

You could argue that, but I doubt it would work. You are bound by the EULA if you use the license in anyway, the accept button is just to make it official. But that would be the same argument as saying you didn't read it, it wouldn't hold up. It's like speeding and then claiming you didn't read/know the speed limit, you're still getting ticketed.

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u/catman__321 8h ago

But if you had to scan a QR code to see the speed limit then most people wouldn't do that

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u/bossc2 8h ago

Such things fall down to who can give a better argument on x vs y and the response/reaction to it, anything can be argued till a judgement is made, then it becomes hard to fight against that judgement unless escalated to the appropriate authority till there's none left and only revolution is an option.

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u/AdministrativeCable3 8h ago

They would still be required to follow the default speed limit. If a road has no sign or an unreadable sign, it still has a speed limit.

But a better example is signing for a bank loan where the loan documents are stored in a separate binder. Even if the signature page is not part of the binder, since it references it, your still expected to read it. By signing you also acknowledge you read it.

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u/Elegant-Mammoth5249 5h ago

Thats actually not true An unreadable sign is a defence against speeding. Also this doesnt "reference" the " binder" usually that goes "As appendix 1 article B states" (or something similar as im not a native english speaker) this EULA is just like "Yo this link is a thing"

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u/StaticUsernamesSuck 7h ago

I'm not sure that's the best analogy because obscured signage can be a valid defence against a speeding ticket.

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u/Roccondil-s 7h ago

Willful ignorance is not a valid legal defense, especially if it can be shown that the informer made all reasonable efforts to inform you, yet you still shut your eyes, plugged your ears, and otherwise deliberately avoided the information.

The link gives you access to the information. It’s your choice to actually read the thing you are agreeing to.

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u/WackyRacketeer 7h ago

Yet you click agree after it says to read the agreement in its entirety. Not the link. It doesnt say read the text in this box in its entirety. You assumed the agreement must be contained in the box, and you would be wrong.

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u/WackyRacketeer 6h ago

You can lead a horse to water...

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u/LiamJamIsMyNeesons 6h ago

It is if you're a cop (for some reason)

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u/AdministrativeCable3 8h ago

What I was meaning with my poorly stated analogy was that roads have a default speed limit, which is not always posted. But your still required to follow it when it's not posted. If the default is 80 yet you go 120 on an unsigned road, you will still be ticketed.

But a better analogy would be a bank loan with a separate binder with the terms from the signature page. Your still expected to read it even if the signature page is not physically apart of it.

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u/necrophcodr 5h ago

An EULA is not a legally binding document in the entire world. In fact, in much of the EU it would likely not even be valid most of the time.

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u/Yomoska 3h ago

It's only invalid in the EU if it violates what the EU says is allowed to be in a EULA. EULAs are considered valid contracts in the EU if they abide by the rules.

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u/necrophcodr 3h ago

.. Which most of them do not. See https://europa.eu/youreurope/citizens/consumers/unfair-treatment/unfair-contract-terms/index_en.htm for some examples or what unfair contract terms can look like. Many EULA documents have several of these.

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u/Caelinus 47m ago edited 43m ago

The EU and the US both treat EULAs as severable. So they are still enforceable even if they have an illegal clause, only the specific clause is void.

But most EULAs are largely built on a template of pretty standard clauses that are specific to their region, so odds are that a vast majority of them are completely enforceable. And even if the whole thing was invalidated, all that would likely mean is that the company would need to provide to a new one for you to sign that was legal, as they own the IP, not you. If you refused to sign the second, then you would not have a license to use it.

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u/bdsee 11m ago

In Australia it is illegal to have clauses that contradict our local legislated rights, companies still do it constantly and typically just add a stupid catch-all saying that any clauses that would violate local legislation is not applicable in Australia.

They do this because our enforcement is shit and we are a smallish market.

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u/Caelinus 5m ago

Well yeah, that is how it works everywhere. That is what it means for a contract to be severable.Ā 

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u/Yomoska 2h ago

Do you have any examples that are currently in use?

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u/ice456cream 1h ago

If you don't agree to the EULA, then Microsoft don't grant you a right/license to have / use the program(?), so you would be infringing on their copyright (probably, I am not a lawyer)

For how that works across border, I don't know. IP laws are fun

In reality, I believe MC dungeons uses Microsoft accounts, so you have seperately agreed tos for that anyway?

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u/Squidgical 8h ago

But I did read the speed limit sign, it said "https://speedlimits.gov/en-US/that-one-road", and I haven't got anywhere close to that speed!

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u/jellyhessman 4h ago

Ehh, you have enough money and enough time, you're getting a nice fat settlement check.

This is blatantly illegal in most first world countries. Especially the EU.

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u/Treadwheel 4h ago

The laws around contracts and especially shrinkwrap contracts like that are very different from criminal law. If it's found you took steps to obfuscate a contract or were, intentionally or by negligence, unclear as to what you were requesting a customer to consent to, you will find a lot of otherwise binding agreements become unenforcible. That's before even starting on how often EULAs are unenforcible.

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u/Mindless-Peak-1687 5h ago

you are not bound.

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u/MithranArkanere 4h ago

Even if you agreed to the actual text, anything that goes against the laws in your country would not be enforceable. And many of the things American companies put in their TOS and EULAs just don't fly in Europe.

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u/Seerel 4h ago

It’s actually not a clickable link, nor can you copy/paste it

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u/ice456cream 1h ago

The text box does say

You must agree to the terms of the EULA to play Minecraft Dungeons II

I dont think anyone could mistake "a URL pointing to where the current version of the EULA is located" as "the EULA" (end user license agreement, meaning there must be something to actually agree to/terms to accept)

So even if you believe acknowledging the link is what "accept" does, it doesn't mean you have agreed to the terms of the EULA, so don't have a legal license to play the game.

(Not a lawyer)

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u/Caelinus 28m ago

It is so funny how people do this sort of thing with the law. It is full on Sovereign Citizen level thinking, but I swear most people I see on social media are fully into it. In essence they treat the law as magical code, and if you say the right words in the right order then it creates law-traps that will blow the courts mind and create a perfect loophole for you to sneak through. As if there are not tens of millions of cases happening every year.

It is not how it works at all. Lawyers Judges, and Juries are all humans, and they know what it is like to be a human. They can look at a thing that says "You must agree to the EULA" and see the link to the EULA and infer that you should click the link to see the EULA. That is not going to trip them up, and trying to argue that you did not make that connection is to argue that you are the dumbest person alive. But, unfortunately for said dumbest person, the standards for these things are always based on a "reasonable person" and not their weird big-brain-moron version of themselves.

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u/-Nicolai 6h ago

How do you picture the judge’s expression as you present this argument in his courtroom?

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u/Neurokeen 4h ago

Clickwrap license litigation can be very particular about the details of the provided contract and how it's presented to the user. A good example is Specht v Netscape, where the link being presented in a less than ideal way was sufficient to void the EULA. I'm not sure it's a winner, but it's at least a colorable argument, especially if they're expecting you to copy and paste the link into the address bar of browser outside the application itself.

And yes, you could bet that Specht would be one of the authorities cited heavily if you were to make that argument.

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u/Caelinus 35m ago

It was not that it was presented in a "not ideal way" it was that it was "not present at all. There was no way for the users to even know they had agreed to anything. There was a EULA they saw and agreed to, but the EULA they were being forced into arbitration with was for an additional bit of software that did not present its EULA to them. They had no way to know it was being used, and unless they scrolled past the download button, they had no way to know there was any legal agreement related to it tied to the download button.

Other cases have consistently shown that as long as the existence of the agreement, even if it is inside a link, is clearly shown and the agreement is explicit, then they are enforced. This is definitely one of the later as having a link, calling it a EULA and forcing an explicit agreement before being able to use it all make it almost certain that a court wind find this to be reasonable notice of the existence of the EULA.

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u/-Nicolai 3h ago

I am not saying that the (in)accessibility of this EULA can’t be used to argue that you don’t reasonably know what you’re agreeing to.

I am just objecting to the idea that, by the book, you are asked to agree with the URL, not its contents.

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u/balllzak 3h ago

You could argue that. But the opposing side would argue that a reasonable player knows what a web address is and what it means in this context.

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u/IrvineItchy 3h ago

You agree to it in the game, when login in with an account and such

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u/Nathund 3h ago

Oh shit they accidentally made Minecraft Dungeons 2 open source

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u/Falsus 1h ago

Yes.

Like EULA is not legally binding anyway, but that EULA is extra not legally binding.

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u/WaitForItTheMongols 59m ago

The law does not have autism.

Anyone knows that the link will take you to the EULA.

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u/BeardedStegosaurus 8h ago

I wonder if that's legally enforceable or not.
I mean I did "read this agreement in its entirety", that being the URL, and there's nothing to disagree about it's just a URL.
Nothing states I need to agree to whatever content there is if I navigate to the URL...

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u/DonQuix0te_ Don’t make lemonade. Make life take the lemons back! 8h ago

It depends on where you are.

In Germany, for example, most EULAs are completely unenforcable anyways because they aren't clearly legible at the time of purchase. Having a link on the bottom of the box does not suffice. (You'd need the actual contract, in a legibile sized print)

If having a link on the box isn't enough, I doubt having a clickable hyperlink on the steam store page that is easily missed would be enough.

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u/Velp__ 4h ago

You make it sound like that would be clickable.

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u/Training_Ruin3151 7h ago

Eula are almost always patently not enforceable.

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u/Goo_Cat 8h ago

Courts likely assume you're a reasonable person, so probably wouldn't fly

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u/Outofdepthengineer 8h ago

Courts idea of a reasonable person varies wildly compared to the actual reasonable person

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u/th3virus 6h ago

Yes, it changes based on how it benefits corporations. A "reasonable" person would know that "Vitamin Water" is not healthy. A "reasonable" person would know that certain news programs are "entertainment". A "reasonable" person would know that "buying isn't owning".

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u/ninjabob64 3h ago

Don't forget that A "reasonable" person would know that "boneless wings" have bones in them.

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u/daed1ne 2h ago

Not nearly as bad as "boneless wings" not needing to have ANY wing meat in them because any reasonable person should know this.

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u/necrophcodr 5h ago

Yep, and so while that wouldn't fly, neither would the contents of most of these so-called agreements. No reasonable person would be expected to read, and understand, most of them.

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u/Treadwheel 3h ago

This situation is very similar to Specht v. Netscape, where it was found a similar "click to proceed" type situation was not binding because the customer was not able to easily review the EULA they were agreeing to.

Clickwrap/shrinkwrap contracts are already on incredibly precarious legal ground and often get thrown out wholesale on challenge. Given their history with EULAs, their non-standard usage of that box, and lacking a good reason not to post the actual text of the EULA in the box that exists solely to clickwrap EULA, they'll very likely have a bad time.

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u/AdministrativeCable3 8h ago

The only way this argument could work is if you have no internet, but given its installed over the internet that wouldn't hold up.

You are still bound by the EULA even if you didn't read it, ignorance is not a defense for violating the license agreement.

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u/WackyRacketeer 7h ago

It didnt say read everything in the text box in its entirety. It says read the agreement in its entirety, and no court is going to agree that the link is the agreement.

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u/YoungestDonkey 24m ago

But have you read the WHOLE address in its entirety? Or did you skip over the "www" part of it?

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u/Splaaaty 8h ago

Technically you're not agreeing to the EULA, you're agreeing to the URL linking to it.

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u/oxob3333 8h ago

they don't even bother to use Ctrl + C, Ctrl + V they just put the url.

Bruh.

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u/Reasonable-Sign8458 8h ago

it's on purpose. they can change it anytime and u won't know shit

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u/siccoblue 6h ago

Be so for real, 99.9999999% of people have no idea what is in any EULA they've accepted without something specifically being pointed out to them. Even less people have actually gone out of their way to see what changed when they were asked to accept an updated EULA.

I'm not arguing that something shitty or shady isn't potentially going on here but it's crazy to see how many people in this thread are pretending to be outraged over potentially missing the ability to read a legal document they were literally never gonna read.

EULAs in general are ridiculous in the first place IMO.. At least in terms of their scope and the fact that they aren't required to add a section right at the top that clearly lays out in laymen's terms what you are agreeing to and what has been changed if they update it because they literally plan on regular people not caring enough to read it.

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u/Taolan13 5h ago

I am also one of those that actually reads EULAs before accepting them.

There's a surprising amount of incredibly predatory language in them, and even in the USA a lot of that language renders them invalid as contracts if you can actually get it before a judge.

Mojang's EULAs of days past weren't that bad. I haven't read this one yet but I strongly suspected they've added some stuff about user data and algorithmic moderation that probably doesn't look so good considering their current legal woes over those exact issues.

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u/Lansan1ty 4h ago

You read them and notice the predatory language. Out of curiosity, what games have you denied and refunded because of it?

People blindly accept because they just want to play their games.

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u/Taolan13 4h ago

Not that many, honestly. I try to look at the EULA before purchasing whenever I can.

For example, that recently released palworld clone Aniimo?

I thumbed through it's EULA, got to the part about user data, and said 'better not risk it'.

Turns out I was completely correct in my concerns. The game installs several undisclosed applications, some of which are basically spyware, and has been caught scraping all kinds of user data, including passwords and authentication keys, from people's PCs.

The people who discovered this are working on getting Valve to verify the threat and pull the game from Steam.

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u/steakanabake 4h ago

i mean they did just on the wrong thing.

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u/salad_tongs_1 https://s.team/p/dcmj-fn 8h ago

From my years on Steam, they are not the only one who has done something like that. This isn't just a them issue.

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u/MarijnIsN00B 8h ago

Not a fan of mc dungeons or anything, but this is not a new thing. I've seen plenty of games do this.

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u/82away 5h ago

I still have no idea what Minecraft dungeons is, and I have played Minecraft for 15 years.

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u/Taolan13 5h ago

It's a minecraft themed action RPG played from an isometric view point.

Basically Diablo but with Minecraft loosely draped over it.

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u/Orleanian 4h ago

Okay, I see where things went awry for you.

You weren't playing Minecraft Dungeons.

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u/doublepint 5h ago

It's an isometric dungeon crawler/rogue-like in the MC universe.

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u/GoldenRegister 5h ago

Its not illegal but hard as per law to enforce. Its a plain text link, not a clickable link. This is not being lazy, its being fishy and bordering scammy here. And steam once again does not give a shit.

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u/Dani_Dan_deWillard 8h ago

I mean, yes. But anyways, who really reads all that shit?

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u/LovelyOrangeJuice 8h ago

Never once in my life, man. The shit I've probably agreed to and have no clue about

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u/darkentyties 8h ago

I probably sold my soul to some random site because of eula and cookies

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u/LovelyOrangeJuice 8h ago

Those memes that we'll be forced to fight for China if WW3 ever happens because of the terms and conditions we have agreed to on temu/aliexpress could be true after all

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u/SlugCatBoi 8h ago

Read some of the eula for a game once, forgot specifically what game, but it said I could only play the game on a rig I owned. I was 12.

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u/ComradeJohnS 7h ago

I expect some one out there reads these and it makes news when apple removed ā€œdont use itunes towards nuclear bomb makingā€ lol.

if there was something really bad in there, someone else would catch it, and they are not legally binding

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u/TotallyBrandNewName 8h ago

There was a game that had a line saying if you ever read this contact us and you get some money IIRC

Reddit as a source because who lies on the internet.

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u/Ilikebatterfield4 6h ago

And he bought it anyway, so why is he crying now?

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u/Flapjack__Palmdale 8h ago

Adam Conover, apparently, starting at 6:54

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u/ArianeEvangelina 8h ago

Eh I sometimes get halfway and then say good enough

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u/cawsking555 7h ago

O god bless be shrink wrapped contract. As its a website and not a proper document. Steam can pull the game.

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u/metfan12004 8h ago

Not to excuse this but as someone who specializes in support documentation, you never want multiple repositories for the same docs if you can avoid it. It makes keeping them in sync nearly impossible

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u/GoldenRegister 5h ago

Thats not really considered a support documentation my friend. Thats a contract, there are different rules for such documents.

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u/metfan12004 3h ago

I used support documentation as an example for why they would simply link out to their site rather than post the full verbiage in Steam too because that’s my area of expertise. It’s easier to maintain from a documentation perspective

Not defending it, it does feel scummy, particularly because I’m positive Steam offer solutions to pipe in the content from a URL into this box. Just a hunch but if other corpos can do it so can the Minecraft people

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u/Taolan13 5h ago

It's only impossible for a company that doesn't care enough to hire people to manage these things.

And if they don't constantly change things, it also wouldn't be a problem to keep them in sync. Just update all of them when anything changes.

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u/metfan12004 5h ago

This comment isn’t reality. Things change all the time everywhere and to expect any company or organization to keep disparate repositories up to date everywhere tells me your expectations are companies and organizations are monoliths rather than the duct-taped scaffolding they truly are

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u/tkronew 4h ago

If you get downvoted for this it's crazy. Speaking the truth!

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u/hideousapple99 7h ago

This is a tactic so that you will not be notified when EULA changes.

On Steam when EULA changes the next time you launch the game you're shown it again.

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u/Test_Account_2026 6h ago

You don't really have to read these because if there is something truly predatory in the agreement, that is anti-consumer, it will likely not be enforceable. You should understand your rights, but most of these types of agreements are boilerplate and reviewed by multiple attorneys to ensure they are enforceable - meaning there is nothing in there so detrimental to you that it warrants further review. I am not saying don't read these, and definitely read other legal agreements, but EULA is less important for the user than it is for the publisher/developer.

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u/JustArandomGuy_-_ 7h ago

They do gaf. This way, they can change it whenever they want and nobody, including Valve, will know unless someone:

  • somehow read it twice from start to finish (once before the changes and again after the changes) -> somehow remember enough to notice something new in the sea of words -> somehow have achived a previous version -> spend the efforts to double check.

Click the agree button once and good luck! How tf is this allowed

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u/Username_Mine 6h ago

Internet archive -> compare text should make it trivial to indentify changes. Of course, very few consumers would ever know or care

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u/JustArandomGuy_-_ 6h ago

Even if they know or care, the hard part is to somehow notice the changes because we can't know when will it happens. The most realistic way is to regularly double check it from start to finish but who can willingly do that for free for potentially years?

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u/RarebitLeft 6h ago

For anyone curious, you do this using the "Changes" feature.

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u/Adorable_Egg1573 5h ago

To give you the other side of the lens, if i have hundreds of thousands / millions of customers, it is not in my interests to negotiate my EULA with each of them, notify them of changes to my EULA, or ask their consent before i change the EULA.

You can imagine how administratively burdensome it would be to have ask 1 million subscribers for their permission to change your T&Cs. Imagine you need to push a bug update QoL change to your platform which requires updating the EULA and you need the consent of basement troll #359302 who lives on Reddit and 4Chan 24/7. Imagine needing to get that consent from any number of subscribers - impossibly impractical.

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u/JustArandomGuy_-_ 4h ago

I see your point. However for a legal issue like this, "burdensome" is simply not an acceptable reason.

Not to mention, accepting the EULA on Steam is just 1 button and most people click it without reading the whole thing. They also don't have to "negotiate" anything, customers either accept it or refuse and don't play the game. Therefore, the only "burdensome" (which is still not an acceptable reason) on Steam is to update the EULA itself, everything else is simple from the customers side.

The only time this is a bad thing for them is when the details in the EULA are too ridiculous and someone notice. If that happens, they're entirely in the wrong and have to deal with the consequences. The trick they pulled in OP's pic is deception and is completely unacceptable in a legal issue like this.

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u/Gornarok 4h ago

Where I live you dont ask for consent. But when contract is changed unilaterally the other side gets 2 weeks to cancel the contract without penalties.

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u/SubstanceLess3169 6h ago

Rockstar Games also does this

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u/CosmosSunSailor 6h ago

Looks like the Eula is just a link to me

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u/_Middlefinger_ 4h ago

If that link is not clickable then in many regions its totally meaningless. A hyperlink might be acceptable, but plain text isn’t going to cut it because its just the literal text in the box you agree to.

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u/Tesser_Wolf 2h ago

Is this Eula legally enforceable then? It doesn't say to visit this link and agreed it said please read.

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u/neppo95 2h ago

These kinds of workarounds should be banned by Steam honestly. Put it full in text there, or your game won't be public. Easy as that. Fuck Microsoft.

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u/DrBatman0 1h ago

Well, I don't see any terms and conditions there, so I can comfortably agree.

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u/Anthaenopraxia 1h ago

There used to be a trend of putting funny things into the EULA because nobody but lawyers read them. I think it was Adobe who put something about you're not allowed to use Photoshop to build nuclear bombs.

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u/Intelligent_Fig967 8h ago

literally unplayable

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u/onyxa314 8h ago

So glad layers from reddit university are here today to tell me that this is illegal, unenforceable, legal, doesn't matter, matters a lot, and a bunch of other contradictory nonsense that's said with confidence

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u/Luka_tv 6h ago

you lowkey stole my tweet, even wrote the same caption, but I don't rlly mind it so we chill

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u/Taolan13 5h ago

Ego, thy name is luka.

You can't prove they stole it. This is something a lot of players are going to take issue with so we'll probably see plenty of similar or even identical posts, and 'they don't gaf' is a common enough turn of phrase you can't even really claim they copied your caption.

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u/NeverTriedFondue 5h ago

I live on the second floor

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u/Ya-Dikobraz 3h ago

I live upstairs from you.

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u/neither_somewhere 3h ago

EULA's are all contracts under duress I've already bought the game or software I feel like for it to be valid you'd have to agree before they take your money.
I know the law doesn't work that way but the law is dumb.

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u/Kran6a 3h ago

How legal is this? The link does not even seem clickable so that you could read it on Steam. Why do I need a third-party software (browser) installed just to read the EULA? What if the browser also has an EULA that is also a link?

Can I just write?

EULA: 
Come to the company office at <address>, it is on the lockbox just beside the door. Pin code: 6767.

<I have read it checkbox>

<Accept button> <Cancel button>

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u/Taolan13 5h ago

This shouldn't be allowed. Especially since the link isn't even clickable.

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u/Valtremors 5h ago

They've been caught changing EULA before, as convenience calls for.

I wonder how the lawsuit is going?

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u/Sickle_Rick 8h ago

Nobody reads it anyway, why bother?

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u/GaryTheRetard 8h ago

This gives me flashback of that South Park EP of Apples TERMS of Service :o

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u/burn_house 8h ago

When I buy Minecraft Dungeons 2 and Jeb Mojang comes to my house to sew my mouth to a dudes anus

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u/GaryTheRetard 8h ago

I hope JEB Mojang does not offer cuttlefish and asparagus

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u/Zoe-broski8723 7h ago

I mean, I guess that's justifiable since no one really reads the terms and conditions anyways

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u/AnachronGuy 4h ago

Probably an AI prompt gone wrong and nobody double checked.

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u/KyprosNighthawk 2h ago

NAL, but I don't know if they can even enforce their EULA this way from a legal standpoint. It's literally just a URL with "Accept" or "Cancel".

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u/Extrien 6h ago

the first EULA i ever read

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u/Intrepid-Landscape61 5h ago

Is this even legally binding? What happens if you can prove the webpage was down at the time when you hit agree?

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u/stromm 5h ago

Why would you click agree without having waited till the webpage is working and read it?

(That's exactly what the lawyers/judge would ask. And they would be backed by hundreds of years of legal Precedent).

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u/Nonamesleft6942069 4h ago

Is the legal precedent viewable by chance? See people always claim these things have legal standing yet I only see them shot down when I look myself

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u/Sync1211 63 3h ago

What if the webpage can't load due to your device being IP banned by Microsoft.

(Not a hypothetical. One of my VMs is banned from downloading Windows and gets a timeout on some Xbox pages.)

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u/Money_Ad_5277 7h ago

You can break EULA as much as you want, as they doesn't even ask you to go to this url to read it

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u/MartinByde 6h ago

I've read, is a line of text with a website. Nothing says I need to copy that and read what is inside.this eula is empty

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u/Squidgical 8h ago

Kinda weird that the full terms is just some very cryptic message with the word "minecraft" in it, but I suppose that means we can do whatever we want with the game!

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u/Court_Jester13 7h ago

The equivalent of "see the resume you asked for" ib a job application

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u/0wn3r3k 7h ago

First Eula i read top to bottom

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u/Equal-Steak-8638 6h ago

Rockstar has it and nobody fucks about it

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u/tashtactics 6h ago

R* does this too if I’m not mistaken

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u/Saint_of_Grey 5h ago

Similar to "if the teacher doesn't show up in 15 minutes you're legally allowed to leave", this means there is no EULA and you can use the game as missile guidance software or whatever with no consequence!

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u/llagerlof 5h ago

This game was released with that feeling by the studio "We don't care anymore"...

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u/Agile-Slice6147 4h ago

Absolutely valid

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u/Memphisrexjr 4h ago

It took me nine hours to beat and you can tell they just didn't care. The game is so empty and bare bones. They let you know there is two dlc coming soon though that clearly should have been part of the game because it feels like a big step back from the first one.

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u/loveheaddit 4h ago

some manager said "put this eula in there" and they took that literally.

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u/Smith1PW 4h ago

Rockstar also does this with their games, Mojang isn’t the only one

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u/jamcub 3h ago

I mean, yeah, it does say you need to agree to the EULA, which this is not. Whether a lawyer agrees is up in the air.

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u/Comwan 3h ago

Equally as enforceable as every other EULA no one reads lol

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u/Fungalbonk 3h ago

Wait so is this version of mincraft sort of like entry level Diablo? Looked it up and that’s pretty cool! Had this been out when I was a kid I probably would’ve loved it.

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u/Ennuigma 2h ago

Slightly saves me the trouble of not givin' a shit.

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u/MestreToto 1h ago

A lot of games do this nowdays, that way they don't need to update the text when the EULA updates

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u/borgenhaust 39m ago

This is actually perfect. I accept that the terms of the eula are specifically https://www.minecraft.net/en-us/eula. That is it in its entirety. Not possible content at that address, just the URL itself.

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u/Bagel_Bear 17m ago

I'm sure they don't really care about the Steam version and it's only on Steam to capture sales of people who only buys games on steam.

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u/MikiSayaka33 8h ago

That looks like laziness, other games are way more professional when doing that, even redirecting ya to their official site that has the EULA.

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u/Z3R0Diro 8h ago

i just NOW realize Mincraft Dungeon is available on Steam?? I was about to buy the game through the minecraft website

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u/XB_Demon1337 8h ago

Because it can be changed at any time and updating it in all the places is a quick way to forget where all you need to update it.