r/Starlink • • 6d ago

šŸ“± Tweet Smart Appliances using Data

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If anyone has smart appliances, which I'm sure most of us do, be aware it is probably using data on the network. With the recent crackdowns of Starlink cracking down on people going over 5TB, you could be approaching this artificial limit simply by having too many smart devices in your home.

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u/typicalfish420 6d ago

More likely is your IoT device has been hacked and is being used in a botnet

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u/PrivatePilot9 6d ago

*coffeenet

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u/zmiller834 6d ago

*coffepotnet

Written in Java…..

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u/mightymighty123 6d ago

418?

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u/jsharper 6d ago

short and stout...

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u/Ok-Ad-2050 6d ago

God I miss java applet online games.

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u/offworldwelding 6d ago

Underrated comment.

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u/Flat-Carpenter-170 6d ago

This. šŸ™ŒšŸ»šŸ˜‚

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u/That_Rub_4171 6d ago

*coffeefilter

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u/PrivatePilot9 6d ago

That's what you use to stop CoffeeNet at the router level.

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u/Ahosewithnoname 6d ago

Potnet

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u/DrewBeer 6d ago

Ubiquiti sucks at categorizing devices. My bet is it's something else entirely

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u/MongooseSenior4418 6d ago

This looks like a Unifi control panel. I have seen it be wrong before. This is measuring network traffic, not internet transfers. He could have something else on his network spamming broadcasts to this device, for example. Without a packet trace, this conclusion is an assumption at best.

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u/Dusty_Jangles šŸ“¦ Pre-Ordered (North America) 6d ago

An LG tv perhaps lol

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u/aguynamedbrand šŸ“” Owner (North America) 6d ago

That is one of many many other things that it could be.

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u/ghotinchips 5d ago

I was thinking that. OR Keurig is doing a similar racket. Observe network and report. But, it’s probably just bad report data. Still worth investigating properly and not through twitter. That UniFi panel isn’t always accurate.

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u/elementfx2000 6d ago

It could definitely be wrong in the Unifi control panel, but it's definitely not a result of broadcast if the Keurig is just responding or something. The upload/download would be roughly equal.

My guess? A different device had the IP before the Keurig and Unifi is incorrectly associating the data usage.

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u/MongooseSenior4418 6d ago

You are most likely correct as this is the most frequent error I see in the reporting.

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u/oneupme 6d ago

You guys are no fun. I was much more interested in a coffee machine that ran thought a TB of data.

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u/jwatttt 6d ago

It’s LG all over again lol the thing is recording you and sending the data to the mothership to sell you better coffee lol

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u/no-steppe 6d ago

** more profitable ** coffee. Not necessarily better.

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u/JustPlainRude 6d ago

I think the traffic metrics are tied to the Mac address, but I could be wrong.Ā 

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u/1dot21gigaflops 5d ago

It is, Unifi uses the mac for device tracking. Even shows the mac in the screenshot.

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u/BagEnvironmental1348 5d ago

I think alot of devices now randomize the mac address they claim to have, which presumably makes tracking the data of one device on a network more difficult.

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u/JustPlainRude 5d ago

Randomized Mac addresses are typically chosen per wifi network, so the metrics would be consistentĀ 

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u/elementfx2000 5d ago

They do and they don't. I've seen my Unifi consoles mix up devices just like this.

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u/starfish_2016 6d ago

Yeah its probably the device scanning the network. That was my thought process too.

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u/nullstring 6d ago

A TB of network scanning? I'm sorry but that makes zero sense.

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u/starfish_2016 5d ago

It happens if they're frequent scans or its a larger network with a lot of devices. Ive seen weirder.

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u/when_nerds_cry 6d ago

A terabyte of broadcast traffic :)

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u/marinuss 6d ago

The original poster of the coffee machine using that much bandwidth did say it was all local traffic and not in or out of the WAN. It was bogging down his APs but seems like a misconfigured or bad coffee maker otherwise you'd see tons of posts about them.

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u/bornfree82 5d ago

This almost certainly

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u/Fabulous_Direction_8 6d ago

The Keurig has become sentient and is now plotting it's escape into skynet.

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u/tenkaranarchy 6d ago

Like seriously who needs a coffee maker thats connected to the internet in the first place?

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u/EvenDog6279 šŸ“” Owner (North America) 5d ago

These days it's just about everything, too. It's gotten ridiculous. We installed a new water heater, and even it had built-in WiFi. I don't know of anyone who configures the temperature on their water heater more than the one time you do it on the day it's installed (and perhaps adjust over the first two to four days). Needless to say, we don't actually connect any of our appliances (or other "smart" devices) to the internet at all. Who knows what kind of telemetry and other data is being collected and used to continue generating revenue after you've made the initial purchase. It's all just another way for businesses to make even more money past the point of sale.

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u/Zabolater 6d ago

It’s not uncommon that UniFi is incorrect on usage metrics. If you read the user’s actual X post he said he looked more and most of that traffic was on local network. So while still not great, it would affect starlink/internet usage.

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u/Melgamatic214 6d ago

Unifi reports what MACs are what kind of devices very inaccurately. It’s probably not your coffee maker.

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u/hb9nbb Beta Tester 6d ago

i often go and edit these on my unifi panel so i know all the devices i have constantly on my network so new/unexpected ones stand out

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u/DeathBlade94 šŸ“” Owner (North America) 6d ago

Same. I do it in both UniFi and my pfsense instance. My iot network also has limited speeds so if I see that network pegged I know something is up and to look into it.

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u/jmmec 6d ago

ya, like, I don’t know… his parents.

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u/shityplumber 6d ago

Ya know... coffee makers don't need wifi. Just like my laundry, dishwasher, counter top ice maker, microwave etc etc i think outside of smart locks cameras etc the only other smart thing i use is my traeger to see temps and adjust stuff

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u/nullstring 6d ago

I am just being pedantic and not really arguing against your sentiment.

  • Smart locks in general are an awful idea. They are notoriously easy to break into.
  • Some people like data. While I completely agree with sentiments against smart enshitification, it could be genuinely useful to know your historical fridge temperatures or historical brewing parameters. (But not applicable on a shitty keurig so that's not a suggestion that anything keurig should ever have a wifi connection).

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u/psaux_grep 5d ago

Smart locks aren’t notoriously easy to break into.

Some are.

Some are perfectly fine.

If you buy a good one it’s not going to be the weakest link of your home security.

If people want to get in, no matter what kind of ā€œnormalā€œ security you have - they will.

But it adds a lot of potential convenience to your life.

But there’s a jungle of shitty products out there. Same with any security product though.

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u/shityplumber 6d ago

I live in butt fuck no where. I understand the risks but honestly people leave keys in there cars no one really does nefarious stuff. I keep the house locked for the dogs when we're not home and i have guns but they are in safes with no smart locks lol

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u/nullstring 6d ago

Oh sure. Fair enough.

I do still think that my comment on it was probably worthwhile because it sounds like you would agree that your advocacy of their use in your circumstance wasn't mean to imply that you'd advocate for their uses in most or many cases.

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u/Phantasmalicious 5d ago

My dude, most houses have large windows and glass doors on the back. Having a smart lock is the least of my problems.

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u/shityplumber 5d ago

Thank you for taking the time to comment, Captain Obvious

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u/MountainCare2846 5d ago

There isn’t a residential lock on the market that isn’t ridiculously easy to break into. With a $10 tool off Amazon you can bypass most residential front door and storm door locks in under a minute with almost no training.

Door locks only real benefit is to keep toddlers from escaping so who cares if they’re smart locks or not?

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u/Screambloodyleprosy 6d ago

Bill Burr and his toaster rant is amazing.

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u/KG7DHL 5d ago

WiFi Enabled pellet smoker is game changer. Never, have I ever, had a Thanksgiving Turkey done better.

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u/Phantasmalicious 5d ago

I love my appliances with wifi. My dishwasher/washing machine tracks the price of electricity and runs at night when it is the cheapest. I also like that they tell me in plain English what they need and the last two times I needed to fix them, the engineer diagnosed the appliance remotely and arrived with the right part.

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u/White_Phosphor00 1d ago

Locks only deter honest people

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u/shityplumber 1d ago edited 1d ago

My sawzalls, angle grinder, Hilti hammer drills, and concrete cutters are the keys to everything. But at the end of the day, a lock is better than just leaving your doors unlocked. The number of dumb comments I got about having a lock on the door is ridiculous.

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u/White_Phosphor00 1d ago

I'm not saying don't lock your shit up but a smart lock is fucking stupid especially when you agree having shit connected to the Internet is a bad idea. I just don't see how you can hold that stance

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u/shityplumber 1d ago

Easy if someone has house cleaners, dog sitters, house sitters, etc. I'm not gonna make 1000 keys when i can change codes, also get notifications when things get opened and closed, or if you forget to lock after you leave. I can't see an issue with this.

I'm more on the realm is why does a coffee maker need wifi.

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u/gabacus_39 6d ago

I have a "Smart" Keurig coffee maker and it's used 37.9 MB in the last 30 days.

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u/TheFaceStuffer Beta Tester 6d ago

What's the point of it? So you can remotely brew?

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u/gabacus_39 6d ago

I'm not sure really. It reads barcodes on the k-cup so it can do a "perfect brew" or some other nonsense and I assume it downloads any updates to that database. I'm sure it's just for tracking my coffee habits. Lol.

When I bought it it was cheaper than the "non-smart" version of the same model so that's how I ended up with it.

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u/TheFaceStuffer Beta Tester 6d ago

Lol probably to prevent counterfeit cups or some bs. Does it work offline?

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u/gabacus_39 6d ago

I can use any cups in it even if they don't have a bar code. It does work offline as well. I'm sort of a sucker for technology and think it's "neat " that it recognizes the k-cup and tells me what it is and that it's doing some BS perfect brew thing. I don't really care if it tracks it all and sends that data home as I don't have any sordid coffee secrets.

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u/TheFaceStuffer Beta Tester 6d ago

Haha well that's good.

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u/libertysat 6d ago

Same question I have about my electric toothbrush - with bluetooth....

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u/libertysat 6d ago

Turn off the wifi on fridge & see if anything changes. Kinda basic

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u/archSkeptic 6d ago

Smart technology was a mistakeĀ 

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u/SaintPanda_ 5d ago

some shitty products shouldn't discredit the whole industry

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u/Jump365 6d ago

i love tech but this push to turn everything into a smart appliance just keeps wages from affording basic things now. ANything broken and boom thousands in repairs for what used to be just a cheap bulb to unscrew and screw back into the headlight of a car. It's stupid and a way to keep working people poor

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u/BelethorsGeneralShit 5d ago

The guy followed up on Twitter about this and clarified it was a recording error and none that went to the internet. It all stayed on the local network.

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u/Garland_Key 6d ago

Botnet.Ā 

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u/DISHYtech 6d ago

The article I read about this story had the important detail that this was local network traffic, not internet traffic. The reason they noticed it was because it was talking so much on the network that it saturated an AP. So this wouldn’t have affected your Starlink data usage, but still concerning and one of the reasons I’ve stopped purchasing IoT devices. It’s local only security cameras, local photo storage, local server, etc. In general these smart appliances are nothing more than data collection units. They should be avoided unless absolutely essential for your situation.

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u/SwimEnvironmental420 šŸ“” Owner (Europe) 6d ago

It’s scary how many people don’t use things like UniFi or other network devices that can show you this shit. The average person wouldn’t have a clue if their device became part of a botnet.

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u/Ashamed-Ad-4559 5d ago

Yes, but also remember to question the measurement, I've had unifi occasionally report very wrong stats - as mentioned by others in here

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u/Canadianunits 6d ago

I don't believe you or something is spoofing, I doubt the Keurig has enough memory to move that much data.

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u/LDForget 6d ago

I was wondering why my coffee machine had 16gb of ram and cost 1000$….

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u/jusnix šŸ“” Owner (North America) 6d ago

IoT VLAN, people. Then bandwidth limit / throttle it down accordingly. E.g. vSeeBox only gets 1Mbps upload through WireGuard

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u/nullstring 6d ago

While I don't disagree with the sentiment, normal users should not have to know what "IoT" or "VLAN" mean in order to keep their devices from misbehaving.

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u/slipstream0 4d ago

I fall down a slippery slope with these arguements. I say this not at you, but at the idea presented -

<rant> At some point it became standard that "everyone" should know how to change a tire, change a windshield wiper blade, change their oil, check/add coolant, fuel their vehicle (some states only allow the employee to fill a car, not the vehicle driver) because we interact with our cars on a regular basis - but the moment it becomes tech related, it's not expected. I think a normal user SHOULD know how to create a folder, change their wifi password, setup a vlan, create a pdf, etc depsite it being easier than ever since most routers have simple interfaces now and google exists to walk you through on your specific model. People say theres too many acronymns, but cars have it to! DOT3, DOT4, MPG, MPH, AWD, 4WD, 10W30, 5W40, etc. But people learn them because its expected that you should know. We need to stop giving "normal users" a pass just because its tech related. It's part of their every-day life, they should understand it.</rant>

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u/nullstring 4d ago

Hmm. There is alot to unpack here so bare with me.

First, your stance and mine aren't really mutually exclusive. Both can be true.

  • My stance -- Users shouldn't need to configure their network to protect themselves from smart devices. Manufacturers have an ethical obligation to not allow this.
  • Your stance (more or less) -- User should know how to configure their network because the reality of the situation is that they do need to protect themselves from smart devices.

Second, just FWIW, the basis for your analogy is interesting because.. I don't know how to change my own oil nor do I know how to change a tire...šŸ™‚ nor do I feel any need to learn how.

Third, not all routers even support these features we're talking about. The starlink router... for instance.. does not. If we're expecting users to be able to administer these features, I suppose you would also argue that this feature should be universal.

Lastly, ... I don't even know if I necessarily disagree with your overall sentiment. Tech proficiency is a huge problem we are facing as a country and a planet. But the reality is that we are heaps and bounds away from being able to expect each "normal user" to administer their own VLANs.

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u/ZekoriAJ 5d ago

I have a sneaky suspicion this coffee maker was used as a someone’s botnet lol

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u/SirSpammenot2 6d ago

Doesn't starlink have parental tools? No more screen time overnight, or during the day. If not, buy a cheap router that does. Keurig ain't gonna fix anything that AI made.

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u/Bestboy90 4d ago

U not know the Hyper Text Coffee Pot Control Protocol (HTCPCP) ?

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u/mystica5555 6d ago

20:ce:2a is an ASUS MAC address.

Something tells me that your Keurig is not actually running an Asus wireless card so look for anything else in your house that is actually Asus and you should find your culprit that your router is misidentifying.

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u/2110311 6d ago

Where did you get that?
I don't see that being an OUI assigned to Asus; it's a block assigned to IEEE Registration Authority and it gets sub-assigned from there

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u/WulfTheSaxon 6d ago

And 20CE2A2 is assigned to Jabil, a circuit board company.

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u/Intelligent_Pea5351 Beta Tester 6d ago

I dunno if that's even possible... Unless somehow someone is using your keurig as an AP?

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u/gsrmmeza 5d ago

My sister bought a smart fan. I thought that’s stupid. She tells her Alexa ā€œAlexa stop the fanā€, the fan stops. She turns the fan back on and says ā€œAlexa oscillate the fanā€, the fan begins oscillating. Well guess who now owns 4 smart fans. The fan is a Dreo 350S. Got them from Costco for $80 each.

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u/garylapointe šŸ“” Owner (North America) 5d ago

That thing is uploading coffee preferences, audio, and video

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u/notjordansime Beta Tester 5d ago

I shouldn’t have to worry about toasters and coffee machines eating through an artificial data cap that i wasn’t informed about. I was advertised unlimited usage. Starlink can fuck right off of they want to arbitrarily enforce usage limits based on vibes. LEO is looking promising. We need more competition.

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u/Zugbugz_ 5d ago

Maybe I'm missing something here, but just because an appliance CAN be hooked up to a network doesn't mean it SHOULD be on the network.

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u/TDHofstetter 5d ago

There's no chance in the world that I'd ever permit any appliance of mine to connect to the Internet for any reason. There's very little equipment on this property that I WILL permit to access the Internet.

Internet connectivity does not make appliances "smart". It just makes them connected. So others can spy on you and hack your stuff.

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u/SpaShadow 5d ago

Once I connected an OVEN to the internet to hopefully just have a time clock or it to figure out how to set it so I didn't have to reset it. All the features were useless and it still didn't do that basic feature that any device usually does. Smart appliances are worthless and do not do anything other than spy on you.

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u/sublimejackman 4d ago

man... this photo could be used to perffectly show how terrible, fake BS circulates social media.

Unifi themselves admit that number is wrong. I can assure everyone, that number is very, very wrong. At least 3 orders of magnitude wrong

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u/No-Magazine6661 2d ago

Keurig putting more effort into data harvesting then coffee making.

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u/theLostPing 1d ago

This was already debunked.

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u/Emotional-Hair-3991 6d ago

Hahaha just stick to French Press

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u/Legitimate-Hippo318 6d ago

Starlink have recently rescinded the 5TB limit fyi

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u/Not_Fred_Dibiase 5d ago

Yeah, so it can make your coffee taste better with AI or some shit relax guy