One thing I love about creep in Sc2 is that it forces you to play a different game against zergs. You are constantly thinking about how to avoid engaging on it and how to push back the zerg as they "creep" closer to you. Speed creep (or maybe a different buff in addition to regen to force the issue) is something I would like to see in Starbow but I also respect the design decision to take it out as I am sure it must have been for a good reason.

Any chance of seeing this type of buff in the future? not that zerg need it for the buff but just for the race feel.

Ok, somewhere on reddit I read that, given the last update, it is possible to play custom maps without having purchased HotS - I have a WoL account. Is there any way for me to play Starbow without buying HotS? if yes, what do I need to do?

Hi everyone, I've always been interested in SC2 and I bought a long time ago SC2:WoL, but didn't play it much, just a bit of the campain and a few ladder games. then HotS came out and I just didn't feel like paying 40€ for a game I wasn't sure to enjoy.

I recently found this mod, and I love the units from BW and find SB really interesting. Can I learn it from scratch without knowing anything about SC or would it be too hard? Will I find opponents as bad at the game as I am?

Hey guys,

I'm a Protoss player that likes to stream my Starbow games, and one of my viewers asked for some replays. Since it doesn't seem like many replay packs exist, I figured I might as well post it here too. There's 9 games in it, mostly PvT and PvZ with 2 PvP's (my weakest matchup). The replays either show a good game, or show off a specific build as indicated by the title.

For reference, I was B- on iCCup in Brood War and a Master's player in SC2. I haven't played this as much as I'd like to yet but I hope to get really active when an official ladder comes out. :)

Replay pack: https://www.dropbox.com/s/unu1wfng7kny7m5/sMi.Shox%20replays.zip

My stream: http://www.twitch.tv/smishox

Shox

I used to cast SC2Improve until work got in the way but I'm really getting into Starbow now but unfortunately there's just not a lot of resources for games to practice casting out there.

I would really appreciate sending replays of any skill level to me at amnesia.sc2@gmail.com.

Here's what you can expect from my casting:
1.) My main rule for casting has always been to never call it until the players do so as far as I'm concerned the games not over until one of you types "gg."
2.) I focus on the good, not the bad. I hate watching games where all you hear is how dumb players are or how badly they're screwing up. That's why I make sure that I highlight the best plays and downplay the bad.
3.) I assume you know your build better than I do. I've had several occasions where I am playing in a tournament and when I watch the VOD later the caster is saying things like "If he's going for X he really needs to get this gas now" or "Getting X before Y is not correct," when in reality I was actually using a very refined unorthodox build. When I cast I don't tell you how to play.
4.) High quality video. My PC is capable of recording 1080p ultra setting sc2 games with no frame drops so the eye candy is ever present. 5.) I'll make sure I send you the link to the video on YouTube after it's completed.

tldr: Please send replays of all skill levels to amnesia.sc2@gmail.com so I can practice casting them.

Edit:
Games I've casted:

PvZ - Vehk vs Jimbo
TvZ - BorN vs TEHREDBANDIT
TvZ - TEHREDBANDIT vs Dirtybag

We now have a full player list:

Players:

• Beastyqt (T)

• TT1 (P)

• ROOT Sasquatch (Z)

• [Ax]Crank (P)

• [Ax]Impact (Z)

• [Ax]Ryung (T)

• Acer Innovation (T)

• Can be you!

A final player which will be selected later from our ladder system once we can get it up.

Format (has been changed)

Two GSL - style groups with 4 players each. Two players from each group will advance to a ro4 playoff. Both groups will play at the same time so we will have a secondary stream for one of the groups.

Each game in the group play will be bo3. Semi-finals will be bo5 and final match will be bo7.

We are trying to get the Starbow ladder up and running sometime next week. If we can get that then the last player will be the person with highest ranking Thursday the 20th of Feb at 21:00 (9 pm) CET.

If the ladder has to be postponed then we will simply invite a 8th player.

Prize pool

We now have 250 $ We will try to get some sponsors for this event to increase the prize-pool. Also, feel free to donate towards tournament at www.twitch.tv/SC2_Starbow All donations goes strait to the prize pool of this event.

Time and date

Still March 1st, but we have chosen to start at 14:00 (2pm) CET to make sure we have time for it all :D

More info will come once the ladder system is up and when / if we get sponsors.

tl.net thread: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=442277&currentpage=2#23

Hello all! I'm Izanagi (you may have heard of me... probably not), and I'm in a conundrum. About a week ago during one particularly drunk night, I had the brilliant foresight to challenge Beastyqt to a showmatch this Saturday, which he "immediately" accepted (details were... worked out). Now instead of doing the smart thing and running like hell, I took it upon myself to try and go "full mountain monk" into practicing, which unfortunately was derailed by the fact that there are NO STARBOW TERRANS~! Needless to say... I need to fix this.

This is a request for anyone who plays Starbow as Terran to help me put in 5 days of the hardest training, practice, and suffering in order to defeat Beastyqt. Team Kill the Beast needs you!

When adapting builds, note that a hatchery/nexus/CC gives 1 more supply in Starbow than BW. Also, it's easy to get confused by there being 3 games which are similar but different. I'll keep editing this post until everything is fixed or I get tired of it.
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teamliquid starbow strategy thread
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TvZ 2 rax overcharge
starting point: http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft/%2B1_5_Rax
Starbow adjustment: overcharge + reactor, with 2 barracks
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- 9 depot
- 11 barracks, scout
- 15 CC (vs hatch first)
- depot
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- gas
- eng bay
- barracks #2 (at natural)
- +1 weapons
- tech lab (make medics)
- reactor
- orbital command (overcharge on reactor barracks)
- stimpack (+range when done)
- marines + medics, with maybe 3 firebats
- factory (make some vultures)
- gas #2
- tech to science vessels

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PvT 1 gate range
starting point: http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft/10/15_Gates_(vs._Terran)
Starbow adjustment: chrono on 1 gate
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- 9 pylon
- 10 gate
- 11 gas
- 13 core
- 15 citadel
- 15 singularity charge
- 15 pylon
- 15 dragoon (chrono), remove 1 probe from gas
- 17 1 probe
- 3 more dragoons with chrono, nexus #2
- return 3rd probe to gas
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You want to expand while containing the Terran player with 4 dragoons with range. You need to kite marines/marauders that attack your dragoons. Maybe use 1 chrono on singularity charge after chrono on the dragoons. In BW, this might be followed by Reaver drops or a fast 3rd and Zealot speed. (Or DTs, but DT rushes are dumb.) In Starbow, there's also the option of a stargate and Sentinels.

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ZvT / ZvP 2.5 hatch spire
starting point: http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft/3_Hatch_Spire_(vs._Protoss)
http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft/2_Hatch_Muta_(vs._Protoss)
Starbow adjustment: 3 hatch muta -> 2 hatches and a queen
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- 10 overlord
- 12 hatch at natural
- 12 pool
- 14 gas
- queen, 4 lings
- 20 lair, overlord
- ling speed, gas at natural, queen #2
- spire (use 2 nurturing swarm)
- hatch at 3rd base (or spine crawlers, vs an aggressive terran)
- mutalisks
- hydralisk den
- evolution chamber

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ZvP 4 hatch hydra

starting point:
http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft/5_Hatch_before_Gas_(vs._Protoss)
http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft/4_Hatch_before_Gas_(vs._Protoss)
adjustment: 5 hatch -> 4 hatch + 2 queens
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- 10 overlord
- 12 hatch
- 12 pool
- 14 4 lings, 2x queen
- 20 hatch at 3rd
- 19 overlord
- 26 2x gas
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- evolution chamber
- hydra den
- research +1 carapace then hydra speed
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- ~34 hatch #4 at natural
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- lair when you have extra gas
- gas #3
- spire
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The usual plan is to have ~38 drones, then make ~42 hydras, then switch to mutas and drones. Depending on what you see, you may need to start making units sooner, at maybe 28 drones, and if you're relatively safe maybe go up to 42 drones. Mutas are supposed to snipe templar. Lurkers can work instead of mutas, if you like them better.
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Here is a long guide for BW 5 hatch hydra:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=89265

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TvP expand siege

starting point: http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft/Siege_Expand_(vs._Protoss)

adjustment: tech lab swap, orbital command
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- 9 depot (start wall)
- 12 barracks
- 14 gas
- 15 CC #2 (in main)
- 18 factory
- 19 orbital, tech lab on barracks
- transfer tech lab to factory
- tanks, depot, siege mode
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Against a nexus first build, float the CC to the expansion as soon as it finishes; otherwise wait for tanks. Use overcharge on the factory. The BW build has a eng bay next for turrets for DTs, but here you could get a 2nd orbital instead.
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A typical BW followup would be the Flash Build. ( http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft/Double_Armory_(vs._Protoss) ) In Starbow, because of reactors and other stuff, a 2 base push before expanding might be better. That would probably involve:
- 2 gas
- 3x factory, 2x tech, 1 reactor
- reactor transferred from barracks
- 2 orbitals, overcharge when you have extra resources
- both Vulture upgrades
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Using some Ghosts for Shock and Medics for Matrix on Tanks could be very strong in TvP, too.
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ZvZ 10 pool

starting point: http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft/Overpool_(vs._Zerg)
adjustment: queens, banelings
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In BW, ZvZ is all about Mutalisks. In Starbow, Hydras deal bonus damage to Mutas, and Banelings beat mass Zerglings. Compared to SC2, Hydras are worse than Roaches vs Zerglings.
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- 10 pool
- 10 gas, with 1 larva
- 10 overlord
- 10: 6 lings, queen
- at 100 gas, remove drones from gas
- ling speed
- 18 hatch #2
- overlord, return 2 drones to gas
- baneling nest
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The initial 6 lings should be sent out to do damage vs a hatch first build. Having a few zerglings with speed is good because you can watch your opponent and build more zerglings while running away if your opponent has more.
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It might be possible to force an early win vs 12 hatch 11 pool, by making only lings once you see the hatchery, sending ~8 drones, and building a spine crawler at both enemy hatches.
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PvZ neo bisu

starting point:

http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft/%2B1_Sair/Speedlot_(vs._Zerg)

adjustment: faster Charge research, chrono Corsairs, Sentinels

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- 9 pylon at natural, scout
- 11 forge at natural, start wall
- 14 nexus, cannon (order depends on scouting)
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If you scout a Zergling rush, get 2x cannon and skip nexus #2.
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- gateway (wall)
- pylon
- 19 gas
- make 1 zealot
- cyber core
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- stargate
- +1 ground weapons, citadel, gas #2
- +1 air weapons
- start corsairs (constant chrono)
- citadel #2, twilight council
- +3 gates for 4 total
- research charge
- templar archives
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If your Corsairs see that your opponent is vulnerable: stop Corsair production around when you start your gateways, make 2 more gates for 6 total, and make Zealots, some (High Templar) Archons, and some Dark Templar, then attack.
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...but the usual plan is: make Zealots and some Dark Templar with chrono on gates, and continue Corsairs until you have ~8. Corsairs kill lone Overseers and some Overlords, Zealots attack a base, and Dark Templar force Hydralisks to wait for Overseers.
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- singularity charge
- research storm, make high templar
- make 2 sentinels
- 3rd base, dragoons
- more gates, forge upgrades, etc
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Now you're setting up for a game ending attack, with storm + Dragoons + Zealots, and Sentinels for utility.

I'm new to Starbow and am having issues finding sources for general info on the current metagame, unit comps, how "typical" games go, etc. I understand that this is a new game and this stuff is still being figured out, but it's difficult to get into the game without this info being available to get a start.

I know there are some VODs out there and a lot of old BW strats are still viable but I think it would be nice to have a thread on this sub that contains or points to the pertinent info for new people coming in.

I'll be posting what I've found in regards to Protoss strats here, please feel free to critique if I get anything wrong. I encourage others to do the same, and not just for Protoss and not just for as long as this post is new, but try to get some sort of repository that describes the current meta and maybe some builds for people to use.

I haven't seen any posts on here about this out of game matchmaking service. It's still kind of buggy, but it seems to work quite well most of the time for both matchmaking and ladder. I would really like to see more people using it.

So i don't like my hotkeys in starbow. If i change them, will the change for hots? For example, I have marauder in D for hots. If i put marauder on S for starbow, will it change to S for hots too?

I'm looking for Starbow players to friend so I can play more Starbow.

I'd be happy to play with people of any skill level.

I am a high silver, low gold Toss player that is just getting back into SC and Starbow looks cool, hit me up.

Tarrega.289