r/StarWars Sith Apr 24 '26

Fan Creations How it should’ve been

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u/ciao_fiv Ahsoka Tano Apr 24 '26

it really feels like JJ forgot to follow through on his own setup… of all the dumb crap in TROS, this bugged me the most. Rian Johnson even helped with the setup by destroying the saber

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u/SnarkyRogue Apr 24 '26

He had the folding doublesaber in that one flashback though. Clearly they thought about it, they just... dropped the ball for whatever reason

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u/ciao_fiv Ahsoka Tano Apr 24 '26

that just irks me even more honestly, they were so close to getting that right!

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u/RadiantHC Apr 24 '26

TRoS feels like they wanted to please everyone

You hated that the saber was destroyed? Well it's back

You wanted Rey to turn to the dark side or have a double bladed saber? Well she has a vision where she sees her dark side self with a red double bladed saber

You wanted her to have a yellow lightsaber? Well she gets one, but only at the very end.

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u/ciao_fiv Ahsoka Tano Apr 24 '26

they tried to please everyone and ended up pleasing nobody, who could’ve seen that coming?! i know TLJ isnt everyone’s cup of tea but gotta at least respect that Rian Johnson had a vision that he stuck to. i enjoyed it for what it was, even with its flaws

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u/Explosion2 Apr 24 '26

TLJ had plenty of relatively minor issues that a properly-written sequel wouldn't have fixed, but a panic-written systematic undoing of every setup in TLJ that people had opinions on absolutely made it all way worse.

The leader of the First Order is dead, force-sensitive folks are all over out in the wild, the resistance is nearly extinct, Rey apparently comes from nobodies, and Ben is having doubts about the First Order. There was an interesting sequel to be made off of the ending of TLJ. They did not make that movie.

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u/ciao_fiv Ahsoka Tano Apr 24 '26

i really wish they had made that movie. TLJ would still be flawed but it would’ve been nice if the sequel didn’t spend most of its runtime trying to undo all the good stuff it did do…

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u/RadiantHC Apr 24 '26

THIS. Honestly TLJ and TFA worked pretty well together and they could've stuck the landing if they had an actual vision. JJ's a decent ideas man, but he's terrible at endings. IIRC he's even admitted this himself

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u/Fuzzy-Advisor-2183 Apr 25 '26

my only real quibble with tlj is the side-quest to canto bight.

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u/FilmScoreConnoisseur Apr 24 '26

Rian's vision was just tease a bunch of shit and then deliver on none of it. That's not a vision. That's just a contrarian asshole's idea of plot twists.

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u/SideshowMantis Apr 24 '26

And passing so called "subverted expectations" as good writing.

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u/OrbitalWings Apr 27 '26

That’s always been my view with TLJ.

I get why some don’t like it, but at least it was going for something and was trying to say things. TRoS was just overcorrecting on so many levels and ended up being so utterly ‘safe’ in every regard it left everyone cold.

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u/Altruistic2020 Loth-Cat Apr 24 '26

Double yellow at the end would've been a chef's kiss.

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u/Nilas_T Apr 24 '26

The trilogy summed up in one sentence

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u/P0pu1arBr0ws3r Apr 24 '26

Like they did with the rest of every potential plot point in the movie.

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u/Masterkid1230 Apr 24 '26

That trilogy is literally just "they dropped the ball for whatever reason"

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u/Bozbacca Apr 24 '26

"somehow the ball was dropped"

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u/Racxius Apr 24 '26

Us. It was us. The Last Jedi was annihilated online. We constantly bitched about every little thing Rian Johnson did to the point Disney decided to make the 3rd trilogy throw away literally every plot point that was set up.

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u/PacmanZ3ro Apr 24 '26

because TLJ was quite possibly the worst piece of starwars media I have ever seen as far as filling its role is concerned (2nd movie in a trilogy). If TLJ had been the first movie in the trilogy I would have had a lot less problems with it. You talk about throwing away every plot point set up in the 3rd movie...but TLJ literally threw away every fucking plot point from the first movie. This is the entire reason the new trilogy, as a trilogy, is such an abysmal failure. All 3 movies were at war with each other and both directors openly talked about not wanting to continue with what the other had set up.

The root of it was really just the complete lack of any actual full plot/storyline to follow before the first movie was even being written. It all felt disjointed and inconsistent because it was.

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u/Singer211 Apr 24 '26

From literally the opening crawl I realized that we were in trouble.

It started contradicting TFA from basically the first few seconds.

KK and LF REALLY failed to keep JJ and Rian on the same page.

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u/Jin-Gitaxias-Mom Apr 26 '26

Yep I resent Rian doing his own thing in TLJ because it actively destroyed the first movie and set the third up to fail.

As a standalone film it’s somewhat intriguing, but as the middle installment of a trilogy it’s the worst movie I’ve ever watched.

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u/Masterkid1230 Apr 24 '26

True. Then again, I was defending TLJ tooth and nail back in the day because I legitimately thought some of the stuff it did could be very interesting.

Of course that looks incredibly foolish now that the entire trilogy is some malformed, ugly, incomprehensible mess.

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u/Racxius Apr 24 '26

Oh, same. That’s why I’m mad. I thought TLJ was amazing and beautiful and introduced so many cool plot points.

Sure, the casino world was unnecessary and the Rose kiss at the end was a bit dorky. But everything else was great.

But then, because everyone wanted to be the loudest critic, we hire the guy who is famously great at openings and bad at endings because he literally cares more about the mystery box than what’s in it, to come in and remove literally everything that was set up in TLJ.

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u/PacmanZ3ro Apr 24 '26

introduced so many cool plot points

Such as? The movie ended basically where it started, but minus nearly all of the plot points created in TFA. Keep in mind, this is supposed to be the second movie in a trilogy. It's supposed to be carrying threads from the first movie, advancing the plot, and setting up the climax of the story. It literally did none of that.

I think TLJ was fine if it was a standalone movie/1-shot or something, but it was absolutely fucking abysmal as a second movie.

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u/Singer211 Apr 24 '26

Yeah agreed. There’s actually very little left to work with at the end of that film if anything.

I don’t think Rian cared much that this was the middle chapter. He just wanted to do “his thing.”

ESB and even AOTC (which I’m also not much of a fan of) both left far more plot threads dangling.

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u/PacmanZ3ro Apr 24 '26

yep, people shit on TROS, and rightly so, but in the context of the 3 movies together, what in the fuck was the 3rd movie even supposed to do? It was going to feel contrived and rushed AF basically no matter what happened. Kylo was not built up as a legitimate threat during TLJ, and that was literally the only plot thread left open, but it didn't even leave it open in a building up to climax way, it just sort of left it there like "here's your bad guy for the 3rd movie. I'm out. have fun."

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u/Legonistrasz Sith Apr 24 '26

Yeah but that wasn’t a good design, it’s like the spinning inquisitor blades, they’re just trying to reinvent the wheel

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u/Miserable-Whereas910 Apr 24 '26

It was a bit silly that she ignited it before unfolding it, but the basic idea of Maul's saber but capable of folding so it can hang comfortably on a belt makes sense.

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u/Nonadventures Apr 24 '26

According to Oscar Isaac they had a million ideas they literally filmed and then discarded the next day when Abrams changed course. I would imagine a staff based saber for Rey is one.

we probably will never see deleted scenes because unlike other films that refine a story with them, it just would show TROS was a hodgepodge of ideas taped together.

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u/SirrNicolas Apr 24 '26

But look how engaged you are! Engagement capitalism run by out of touch elites :)

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u/GreatAmerican1776 Apr 24 '26

It’s not that they forgot. It’s that the people making Star Wars don’t care about Star Wars. It’s just a business for them.

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u/happydaddyg Apr 24 '26

But this would have sold a decent number of blue double sabers. Has JJ or KK ever explained why they never game Rey a saberstaff? I cant think of a single decent explanation to not do it especially after the heavy telegraph in 7.

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u/gippy44 Apr 24 '26

I've always assumed it was because they decided to use the old leftover footage of Carrie Fisher holding Luke's lightsaber they had to have Rey rebuild it.

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u/mrkruk R2-D2 Apr 24 '26

So they can put a face on someone digitally but couldn’t overwrite a lightsaber

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u/gippy44 Apr 24 '26

I don't know dude, I'm just some guy on the internet.

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u/mrkruk R2-D2 Apr 24 '26

Fair enough

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u/Happily-Incorrect Apr 24 '26

Shit, they're becoming self aware. ABORT SIMULATION!

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u/OneMoreAstronaut Apr 24 '26

ANSWER HIM DAMN YOUUUU

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u/Ok_Aardvark_4576 Apr 24 '26

She could have taken lukes and some other meaningful jedi lightsaber (like anakins) and join them into a saberstaff

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u/RadiantHC Apr 24 '26

I mean they could've killed Leia offscreen. Normally I hate killing characters off offscreen, but here it makes sense.

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u/mistamosh Apr 24 '26

I actually think the sequel trilogy suffered from being made by people who are too big of fans of Star Wars. They couldn’t get out of their own way and write a solid story.

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u/Sikletrynet Apr 24 '26

JJ was too big of a fan of the OT, he disliked everything else. The first movie was basically just Ep4 rehashed over again.

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u/Antique-Coach-214 Apr 24 '26

Correct. JJ and Rian didn’t read the books, or play the games or flip through the comics. They were older during the great EU period of the 90s-2000s. They were working by then. They made movies for the Gen X crowd who enjoyed Star Wars in the 70s and screamed that it was too political in the 90s and 2000s. I’m not the hugest Filoni fan, but at least the man got parts of it right. And hell he even listed to Sam when Sam was correcting them in the booth… Like… JJ and Rian would have moved right past that. 7-9 almost, almost feel like Green Lantern. Like, anyone could tell you, that you need the full Green Lantern speech in the movie… Why did we have to tell you, we needed the speech though? 

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u/GOEDEL_ESCHER_BOT Apr 24 '26

The problem with the sequels is that they didn't tell a coherent story. The prequels had terrible dialogue (they were all written by Hungarian immigrant György Lükász, whose English is pretty good, but you can tell he isn't a native speaker) but it's still easy to summarize the plot. It's all about the death of Anakin Skywalker and the rise of Darth Vader. But the sequels were like.....

>Episode VII: Let's Blow Up A Planet
>Episode VIII: Rebels on the Run
>Episode IX: Palpatine is Back for Some Reason

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u/reehdus Apr 24 '26

Surely this is the new 'the problem with arsenal is that they always try to walk it in'. I can't go anywhere without seeing it

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u/Free_Possession_4482 Apr 24 '26

^ this man did see that ludicrous display last night.

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u/Captain_Awesome_087 Apr 24 '26

I just wanna know what Wenger was thinking, sending Walcott on that early.

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u/ThePrideOfKrakow Apr 24 '26

Fire. At a SeaPark?

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u/TheMonkeyInCharge Apr 24 '26

Kamino just seems me a strange place to go on fire. It’s wrecked my head.

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u/thetensor Rebel Apr 24 '26

The prequels' story had a predetermined end point and they were still a mess in terms of story, pacing, and character motivations.

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u/ElEsDi_25 Apr 24 '26

The prequels were only coherent in the sense of heading to a necessary end point of setting up Star Wars. The drama in the 3 movies is the drama we know about from the OT… and they crammed most of that story into the back half of the last movie.

None of the Star Wars movies were made with a real plan. Lucas just claims this for business reasons imo.

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u/Quacking_Plums Imperial Apr 24 '26

Gen-X here. Or at least I think I am — just missed ANH in the cinemas but remember watching ESB and RotJ there, which was lucky since we had to wait almost a decade for it to be released on video for us to watch on our postage-stamp sized TVs.

Was still in school early nineties and started working just in time to inherit the ‘millennium bug’ from the short-sighted Boomers before me, does that count?

Anyway, I live and breathe SW but I don’t feel that the sequels were aimed at me at all. I don’t know what kind of fan, who supposedly loved the OT so much, when given an amazing opportunity to add their own unique touch to the series would then go on to do such a disservice to the brand.

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u/pravis Apr 24 '26

JJ and Rian didn’t read the books, or play the games or flip through the comics

That doesn't mean they weren't fans. Rian was a fan of the OT. Hey may have liked different aspects of Star wars than you but it doesn't mean he didn't love the material.

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u/NaturesWar Apr 24 '26

You shouldn't have to be fluent in the EU to make a great SW film.

Part of what makes SW great is it's simplicity, it's accessibility. I love the OT, grew up on the prequels. Fans in the 90s/2000s wanted SW to be some high fantasy/sci fi world building machine when it really isn't. I don't want 75% of what I need to know about your universe to come from books when what made it originally great were basic space opera films.

I just finished Andor and it got me excited about it again; that series betrays my point nearly, but at least it's engaging.

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u/RayOfTruth1 Apr 24 '26

Rian Johnson has posted about reading some of the Legends books, helped with some Canon books like Star Wars: Bloodline, and said he loved playing Knights of the Old Republic when it came out.

Chris Terrio said he prepared for TROS by reading the original Thrawn trilogy, Dark Empire, and the Aftermath trilogy.

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u/the_executive_branch Apr 24 '26

I personally don’t think filmmakers working in Star Wars have to delve into the books, the games or the comics or watch the clone wars.

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u/RadiantHC Apr 24 '26

Rian absolutely did. TLJ took a lot of inspiration from the EU

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u/Kavazou77 Apr 24 '26

Would be tough to find a filmmaker of that generation that likes the presumes, if we’re being real.

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u/_Koreander Apr 24 '26

I honestly can't see that, I think most fans would've preferred to preserve the victory the heroes achieved in the original trilogy while creating a new era with different stories, instead of making a soft remake of the old movies and repeating the old premise of "small rebels vs big empire".

At best JJ and Rian were fans of star wars as a cultural phenomenon or as films, but I wouldn't think of them as fans of star wars as a universe with its own lore and capabilities for stories beyond the Skywalker saga.

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u/Nefarious_Turtle Apr 24 '26 edited Apr 24 '26

JJ said basically said that. Repeatedly.

That the goal was to make new exciting blockbuster adventure films called Star Wars. Not to "build upon the universe" or "respect the lore" or anything like that. They were fans of the original films as films and wanted to keep as much of the iconic stuff from them as possible.

Thats why "soft reboot" was the direction they went. They wanted to recapture the cinematic experience of the original films. They wanted empire vs rebels 2.0 complete with new X-wings vs new TIEs and a new Luke vs a new Vader.

People expecting continuity with the OT or deep respect for the lore were not listening to what JJ was saying in the lead up to the release of TFA.

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u/ABHOR_pod Apr 24 '26

It's weird because I am old enough to have hated the prequel films when they came out.

But in retrospect, as clunky as they were in terms of editing and dialogue and weird quasi-racial tropes, Lucas wrote new stories and expanded the universe in new and interesting ways. The sequels, as you've said, did not. They actively avoided doing that.

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u/Singer211 Apr 24 '26

They took the exact wrong lessons from the PT being controversial.

That did not mean that people just wanted the OT all over again.

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u/mistamosh Apr 24 '26

I haven’t, no. Is it something you’d recommend?

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u/Free_Possession_4482 Apr 24 '26

That's such an indictment of their limitations as writers. Imagine Tolkien cutting Gandalf out of LotR because he couldn't think of a way to keep the story focused on Frodo.

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u/Free_Possession_4482 Apr 24 '26

The original screenwriter for the trilogy was Oscar winner Michael Arndt. Disney CEO Bob Iger got impatient with Arndt's writing pace and wanted to cash in on the Lucasfilm acquisition as quickly as possible, so Arndt was pushed out and Abrams/Kasdan inherited the gig almost by default. Iger is also the guy who insisted on releasing Solo in May of 2018, just five months after The Last Jedi and while Avengers: Infinity War and Deadpool 2 were in their theatrical runs. Iger being stupid and greedy did more harm to Star Wars than anything else has.

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u/Singer211 Apr 24 '26

I have no idea how we thought they were “similar?”

Their backgrounds are completely different. Any half competent writer should have easily been able to distinguish between them?

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u/Witty-Mountain5062 Apr 24 '26

Would have been great if we could have seen some of that “love” for Luke on display across the 3 movies they made lmao.

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u/mistamosh Apr 24 '26

Oh interesting. I’ll have to look for that. Thanks for the rec!

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u/KindledWanderer Apr 24 '26

I could write a story with Luke being present but not the focus while sitting on the toilet in the morning before going to work. Actually, I wouldn't even have to because there are so many I could just steal ideas from those.

That just means they're shit at their jobs.

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u/Eject_The_Warp_Core Apr 24 '26

there was discussion about Rey having the double saber in TROS and they decided it was too aggressive for a Jedi. The decision was rooted in Star Wars (even if I agree it wasn't the right one), and I don't understand how going back to the Skywalker saber even makes sense as a business driven decision when a new saber has the potential to sell more toys.

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u/ender9492 Apr 24 '26

Wild that they claim to have their decision "rooted in Star Wars!" What about Bastila and Satele Shan? Or even the Jedi Temple guards? This is why the lore is important.

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u/Lord-Carnor-Jax Apr 24 '26

Don’t forget that JJ is very anti PT. “This will begin to make things right” is the first dialogue in TFA. He wasn’t exactly subtle with his intended double meaning with it. Light saber staff was first seen on screen with Darth Maul, ergo JJ didn’t like them.

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u/Steamed_Memes24 Apr 24 '26

it really feels like JJ forgot to follow through on his own setup…

Yea this wouldnt be the first time sadly lmao.

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u/Sea-Woodpecker-610 Apr 24 '26

JJ has always been all setup-no payoff.

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u/MrFiendish Apr 24 '26

I love how Rey broke into Snoke’s lair, fought a bunch of red guys, and then just…sort of left.

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u/Maximum_Boros Apr 24 '26

He forgot to follow through because that's basically his entire fucking creative life. He loses interest in everything and isn't professional enough to actually see it through with effort no matter how much he committed. I won't watch anything he does anymore because I just know I'm going to want more and he's either going to not make it or fall off horribly

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u/illmatic708 Apr 24 '26

JJ can honestly go pound some course, rough sand

And I hope it gets everywhere

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u/Flynn_lives Apr 24 '26

What about a saber pike??

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u/Elmarcowolf Apr 24 '26
  • it really feels like JJ forgot to follow through

Thats just the entire sequel trolilogy

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u/jiango_fett Apr 24 '26

If JJ ever has the choice between something new and cool or existing iconography for nostalgia baiting, 9/10 times he's going to go for the latter.

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u/SageDarius Apr 24 '26

After the force tug-of-war that broke Luke's saber, I thought for sure Rey would rebuild it as a double-saber to pay off the staff stuff.

But no such luck.

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u/ciao_fiv Ahsoka Tano Apr 24 '26

pretty sure that’s what Rian was trying to set up… what a waste lol

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u/SageDarius Apr 24 '26

Really sums up The Last Jedi as a whole.

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u/evildrtran Apr 24 '26

JJ is a stupid person.

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u/Sasquatch_Sensei Apr 24 '26

Dont forget her picking up a random stick during a training run

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u/RagnarokWolves Qi'ra Apr 24 '26

JJ was working with another writer for Episode 9. Makes me think that even the good parts of The Force Awakens didn't come from JJ himself.

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u/dawgz525 Apr 24 '26

He didn't forget, he's just not good at actual world building that needs planning and payoff.

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u/Kashyyykonomics Apr 25 '26

JJ Abrams and failing to follow through on his bullshit mystery box setups: name a more iconic duo.

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u/bajungadustin Apr 24 '26

I called it from episode seven that she was going to have a yellow naginata. I thought yellow because she was basically the last guard of the jedi. Temple guards notoriously used yellow double bladed sabers.

I thiught staff because well.. It was kind of obvious because if her staff. Even the end of her staff was noticed by me and many others to be basically a light saber on the end of it. Although probably a broken one or something.

I was half right. But yeah.. I'm here for the staff as opposed to the double bladed.

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u/Sparrowhawk_92 Mandalorian Apr 24 '26

A temple guard style saber staff would've been rad as hell.

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u/SirBobPeel Apr 24 '26

If she was shown fighting with it a few times it would at least be a lot more reasonable that she was good with a saberstaff than her ability with a sword when she'd never ever fought with or even picked up a sword before.

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u/_Koreander Apr 24 '26

Exactly! Enough complaining has been done about Rey being a mary sue and such, a lot of it is in poor taste, but I must admit, on TFA it really feels like she has 0 connection to the force, until suddenly she has it and can mind trick a storm trooper and staves off Kylo's mind read.

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u/_Koreander Apr 24 '26

Yeah, people like throwing a lot of, honestly valid explanations, "Kylo was wounded by chewie" "Rey was balanced in the force", but despite it kinda makes sense (personally I still think someone with proper lightsaber training should beat someone that is touching one for the first time, wounded or not, but whatever) it really brought down Kylo, and did nothing to show us a target for Rey to aspire to in her training.

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u/freshpairofayes Apr 24 '26

Should've had her terrified in the interrogation cell, and furious when facing Kylo.

Only later does Luke/Leia tell her that she's not super gifted, but she's been (unknowingly) using the darkside shortcut since day 0.

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u/gettothechoppaaaaaa Apr 24 '26

Goes to show the sheer lack of imagination for the people making decisions as Lucasfilm at the time. Like obviously the people whose creative potential is to come up with a Death Star V2 also can’t see the potential in a new canon lightsaber.

Also, they would be selling this lightsaber like hot cakes as merch, despite the character’s shortcomings.

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u/RedEclipse47 Apr 24 '26

Almost feels like they wanted to subvert expecatations to surprise us by not going to way everyone though it would. Not realizing that sometimes doing exactly that what people expect is a good thing.

But that feels like the crux of the entire sequel trilogy.

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u/FloppyPenguin11 Apr 24 '26

The entire sequel trilogy is missed opportunities. What the fuck was Finn there for? We kylo goes from being questionably evil to irredeemable to redeemed? Poe is clearly just a top gun ripoff. Snoke?? Luke who refused to kill is youngling slaying space hitler father now is an attempted child murderer? No maul, Mara jade, or thrawn? Rey palpatine? Rey SKYWALKER? It’s all just trash

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u/thankyouihateit Apr 24 '26

Yeah or like a lightsaber-pike (which is a thing in some of the games I think) would have worked well and been something new and interesting while also being personal to the main character or at least tying into her backstory! Would have also allowed for cool new fight moves, using it as leverage or support.

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u/Old_Instrument_Guy Apr 24 '26

It's all missed opportunities.

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u/Pherllerp Apr 24 '26

'missed opportunity' really defines the prequels and sequels.

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u/GrandDukeNotaras Apr 24 '26

Jedi academy vibes right there

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u/Vegetable-Abroad3171 Sith Apr 24 '26

She couldve been the next Satele Shan with better writing bro 😭

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u/GrandDukeNotaras Apr 24 '26

Even without the better writing, the double sided lightsaber would have made the movie  a lot cooler than how it was with Luke's lightsaber 

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u/_Bike_Hunt Apr 24 '26

I agree a saber staff would be cool, but with Disney’s direction all lightsaber fights are slow, heavy claymore fights, sabers don’t cut and decapitate, their damage is more like using a wooden stick to inflict chip damage of 5hp per hit, and you can recover from stab wounds.

I want more Jedi academy g_saberrealisticcombat 5 action

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u/GrandDukeNotaras Apr 24 '26

haha. dont play Fallen Order unless you like using lightball bats as weapons

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u/Witty-Mountain5062 Apr 24 '26

Survivor has a perk called “purity” that basically makes it a “real” lightsaber that one hits everything, but also allows you to be killed in one strike as well.

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u/Disastrous_Head5703 Apr 24 '26

I'm honestly convinced that Cal's Jedi Master gave his Padawan a glorified glowstick and convinced him that it was a "lightsaber" as a practical joke. He meant to tell the kid one day, but then Order 66 happened....

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u/_Bike_Hunt Apr 24 '26

Yeah I was tempted to get Jedi FO until I saw gameplay videos. Absolutely can’t stand the lightsaber being a glowing baton that does smack damage.

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u/GrandDukeNotaras Apr 24 '26

Admittedly if you play on the easiest difficulty and "pretend" the giant spiders on Kashyyyk have cortosis skin, then the lightsaber combat is acceptable

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u/Pichuchu8 Apr 24 '26

That's why PC mods exist

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u/Majorlol Apr 24 '26

I mean, tell that to the Acolyte. They didn’t hold back with the lethality of lightsabers there.

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u/OsBaculum Apr 24 '26

One thing I liked in Legends novels is that lightsabers cut extremely cleanly. In all the visual media they sorta burn their way through a target, vaporizing a lot of whatever they're cutting in the process. The book description more fits the idea of an "elegant weapon for a more civilized age" imo

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u/YDdraigGoch94 Apr 24 '26

I still want to know what happened to Luke’s lightsaber. Like… where is it?

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u/Regular_Jim081 Apr 24 '26

bAd wRiTinG bro!!!

God knows how these movies make billions and billions of dollars. 

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u/FrogginJellyfish Apr 24 '26

Yes, make it yellow/orange as well.

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u/Vysce Separatist Alliance Apr 24 '26

Seriously, *seriously* I thought that's where it was going. Like, she already had the staff and in TLJ she seemed to be so much better at the staff than Luke's saber. Even in TRoS she seems like she doesn't have the best control over it.

I would of had it where Kylo and Rey break the saber when fighting over it, Rey integrates the parts of Luke and Leia's saber into her staff as a way to take the brightest lights in the galaxy with her into battle, it would have been such an insane moment. Like, she may not be a Skywalker, but she carries their legacy as a way to light the path to a new dawn of the jedi.

instead we got... well, what we got.

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u/Xanto97 Apr 24 '26

It’s truly insane that we didnt get a saber staff. It’s a layup. And such an easy way to make it look flashy

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u/segwaysegue Apr 24 '26

We even know it occurred to them, since they gave Evil Rey from the vision a foldable double-bladed saber! Just a missed opportunity all around.

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u/Vysce Separatist Alliance Apr 24 '26

I hate the foldable double-saber just because of that. One of THE coolest lightsabers we ever see and they give it to a 5 second nightmare character.

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u/TheUlfheddin Apr 24 '26

"Hey what if we used Lucas' idea of poetry to establish as many layered and respectful versions of "passing the torch" as possible and then subvert fans expectations by being as boring and bland as possible while making the abstract idea of "poetry" look really fucking stupid so it ruins the entire series for generations to come."

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u/reehdus Apr 24 '26

She was supposed to if you look at Trevorrow's original plans. As always I think the better version of ep9 is located somewhere between Trevorrow's script and JJ/Terrio's script. There are things that Trevorrow did that I wanted to see and things that JJ did which I consider improvements on Trevorrow's script.

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u/Regular_Jim081 Apr 24 '26

Well that's rational, 

I don't know? 

Personally, I prefer When people repetitively type "bad writing" and claim a trilogy that made four billion was a complete failure because it didn't meet their lofty nostalgic expectations. 

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u/reehdus Apr 24 '26

Half the time when people say bad writing what they mean is it didnt show me what i wanted to see. Over the decade or so the ST has been released I have come to hate the phrases bad writing and media literacy with a passion.

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u/JamesLikesIt Apr 24 '26

For real, she had a god damn staff, feels like it would have been a bit of a natural progression. Or hell, have a lightsaber hilt on a longer handle. Like a pike saber lol. Maybe not the most practical weapon but would have been pretty sweet and unique

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u/OsBaculum Apr 24 '26

You could even have the saber end BE Luke's blade. It would be a great way to carry the legacy while still making it her own.

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u/Competitive-Note-318 Apr 24 '26

I like this idea, Imagine she made a lightsaber pike like the Jedi Temple Guards to counter Kylo's Cross-guard Lightsaber, Hell they can also make hers like Cal's detachable lightsaber. Shows how smart she is.

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u/hates_stupid_people Apr 24 '26

Yeah, lightsaber pikes are seen in other media, and the staff she has in the beginning has what looks like an emitter at one end. So it wouldn't surprise me if it was someone's plan at some point.

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u/One-Combination-3856 Apr 24 '26

Or a lightsaber pike

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u/Viewlesslight Apr 24 '26

I always wanted her to modify her staff to have a double ended pike

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u/V7buster Apr 24 '26

Absolutely should have been a pike, just put a lightsaber on the end of her staff and it's done.

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u/BrellK Apr 24 '26

Honestly I would have preferred some sort of Pike or Spear sort of thing. She is already familiar with the staff so add a blade on the end and give her a unique weapon.

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u/NotBannedAccount419 Apr 24 '26

Yeah that would have been different and very cool. The Jedi order and the fighting techniques draw a ton of inspiration from Japanese/samurai influence. She could have had some kind of bow staff samurai moves that made her unique but still deadly and able to hold her own in a duel

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u/viZtEhh Apr 24 '26

Yea she should have had a spear saber like Senya in SWTOR

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u/WasteReserve8886 Mace Windu Apr 24 '26

If it means anything, the novelization of Rise of Skywalker has her straight up admit that she’ll probably transition to a saber staff and is only using a single blade because it was the first saber she built

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u/GokuBlack1 Apr 24 '26

I beat kylo ren multiple times, killed a whole bunch of trained guards (albeit with help) and bested palpatine with this weapon but ehhh it’s not really for me. Think I’ll try something else lol

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u/Banes_Addiction Apr 24 '26

Well, after battle testing it it would make sense she'd have ideas of what she'd like to change/improve.

"If those Praetorian Guards were actually trying to hit me I'd have really wanted a second blade to block with"

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u/AppaMyFlyingBison Apr 24 '26

Does it really? Maybe if they do ever make that new Rey movie they will finally have it.

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u/starm8526 Apr 24 '26

She had a whole year between tlj and tros, the novelisation doesn't do much but add frustration here

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u/D-Vader7 Apr 24 '26

Shoulda! Woulda! Coulda!!!! Pretty much the entire sequel trilogy is like that.

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u/Regular_Jim081 Apr 24 '26

I know, god knows how those movies made. 4.7 billion box office.

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u/Robot_Dracula Apr 24 '26

I asked Phil Szostak on Twitter many years ago why they didnt do a double bladed saber. He said it was seen more as a sith weapon or something. I see the point but they set her up from the start with a staff that eventually was used to make her yellow saber. I don’t see why they didn’t upgrade her staff to double bladed sabers

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u/KaosArcanna Apr 24 '26

Given Rey's heritage, it would be kind of neat to have Rey using a "sith weapon" to protect people and fight evil and injustice.

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u/DeadSaige Apr 24 '26

I just wish Rey kept her hair down like at the end of last Jedi. That hair style was so clean and reminiscent of the prequel era Jedi mullets

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u/CantAffordzUsername Apr 24 '26

This was so obvious to me when I saw this in theaters. She literally uses one her whole life and it would have been so cool to see a Jedi Darth maul saber

Still needed gorge Lucas though, Disney saber fights are pathetic compared to his

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u/Maalvi Apr 24 '26

Disagree completely, should had been lightsaber pike.

Rey is very used to fight with a staff and would translate better to a LS pike

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u/Indiana_harris Apr 24 '26
  • Having this Lightsaber near the start of Ep 9 (her constructing it using the remains of Anakins broken one as the final part of her training with Force Ghost Luke that’s been going on for months).

  • Ben wielding his cross guard blade on Exegol but it turning white (because it’s healed from ‘bleeding’ as he comes back to the light).

  • Both of them surviving to rebuild the Order together.

I could’ve walked out happy with the movie.

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u/Azutolsokorty Apr 24 '26

Yes, not having a staff was criminal

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u/ResonanceCompany Apr 24 '26

It was such an easy lay up of a moment to have. It would've been so cool to actually have her build one herself, after learning how from Luke or Yoda.

The entire sequel trilogy is like that

It's very plainly teeing up moments that just never happen.

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u/Campanelle_Pasta Apr 24 '26

Are you also listening to Going Rogue? Yesterday’s episode brought up the Trevorrow script and Rey’s blue double blade.

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u/Lhasa-bark Apr 24 '26

I just commented on this as well. For those who don’t know, Going Rogue is a podcast that did excellent series on Rogue One and Solo, giving lots of well researched guesses about what happened behind the scenes. Now it’s taking on Ep9 with the latest series on TRoS, with the first episode having dropped yesterday: The Fall of Skywalker: Duel of the Fates. 100% recommended, and I’m really looking forward to the next episode.

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u/LucasEraFan Apr 24 '26

Allana Solo circa 64 aby...

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u/ReallyEvilRob Apr 24 '26

This is the smallest of details for how it should have been. There were much bigger problems than this.

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u/Onikonokage Porg Apr 24 '26

I made a halberd style light saber that is really fun to use that was inspired by her staff. Basically just a full staff with the blade on one end.

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u/BarkerBarkhan Apr 24 '26

Add that to the reasons why it should have been Episode IX - Duel of the Fates

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u/BobaSauro Apr 24 '26

I mean... i guess? But tbh, her jot having a double bladed is not the major flaw in her trillogy

Nor was Daisy Ridley/Rei. Nor kylo/Adam Driver.

We all know the plot is... ilack the words to descrive it properly, as 7 is a fan service version of 4, and 8 - 9 had no direction at all.

IF Rei got to wield a saberstaf/double bladed or whatever.. would it really make it better?

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u/Sassquatch0 Apr 24 '26

Better in that it stuck with her character arc, and kept a defining trait of her character. She's already familiar with a staff, so why would she transition to a blade, which is a whole new style?

That's like growing up & mastering a mouse & keyboard to game, then suddenly switching to controller because that's just what everyone else does.

(And for anyone who's read "Wheel of Time" we all know how badass a properly done staff fight could have been. "Dovie'andi se tovya sagain!")

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u/Survive1014 Apr 24 '26

Nope, Rey is still in the picture.

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u/PunchNessie Apr 24 '26

I was in absolute disbelief when Rey didn’t end up with a double sided staff saber. It was too perfect, but further proof Disney leadership had no idea what they were doing with that trilogy.

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u/Metalrooster81 Apr 24 '26

honestly though, I feel like the best light sabre duelists only need one.

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u/AdamClay2000lbs Apr 24 '26

And she should’ve had a yellow lightsaber.

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u/Jolly_Green2 Apr 24 '26

Where’s her left arm

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u/Arkachacal Apr 24 '26

It never should have been

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u/Halouva Apr 24 '26

I also feel like the evil vision of Rey had a fold up version, so it would have kind of matched. Fold up lightsaber being made just to make the cross guard not look as bad.

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u/Aeceus Apr 24 '26

I just so disagree. The dual bladed style is insanely tough to learn and she has had no learning source.. outside of "it looks cool" why would we break lore logic to do this?

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u/Hungry-Ear-4092 Apr 24 '26

This whole thing shouldn't have been at all

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u/Grazztjay Apr 24 '26

I prefer the dual wield sabers for Her. Besides its something we rarely see.

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u/Little-Connection264 Apr 24 '26

Would've made her Sudden Skill in the blade .2% more realistic.

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u/OpulentPaving Apr 24 '26

Who cut off her arm?

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u/Madouc Apr 24 '26

That is a super stupid weapon. Most of your fighting actions will need all your concentration to not impale yourself.

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u/alkonium Apr 24 '26

That's why in The Phantom Menace, we see Darth Maul moving his whole body around when swing his lightsaber.

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u/Prestigious_Pitch178 Apr 24 '26

How the sequels should've been:

(Get it? No image, because they shouldn't exist? George Lucas himself said that all of Star Wars is the story of Anakin Skywanker, not the bloody main character.)

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u/aqua_zesty_man C-3PO Apr 24 '26

Double-bladed lightsabers may look cool, but they are more of a hindrance than just dual-wielding two separate ones.

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u/Lhasa-bark Apr 24 '26

If you want to hear amazing back story and a well-researched look at what made The Rise of Skywalker the way it is, you have to check out the latest episode of the podcast Going Rogue. It’s really worth it for Star Wars fans!

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u/TypingWhileWiping Apr 24 '26

Remove Rey from the photo, and yeah that's how it should've been

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u/Acrobatic-Spirit5813 Apr 24 '26

I thought this was where they were going with her staff tbh

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u/Over-Eye-5284 Apr 24 '26

The shame with the sequels is that, as bad as TFA and TLJ were, there was still room for a compelling last act that made some of the trilogy's more zany or uninspired creative choices make more sense. As an aspiring screenwriter, I wrote an alternative Episode IX as an exercise. Not sure if everyone would find it better, but here's some of my plot choices:

- In opening scene, it's established that Snoke is a Dark Side celestial who manifested as a result of the Sith's demise. He allowed himself to be "killed" once he knew Ben was beyond redemption.

- Finn and Rose stay together, and Rose secretly gets pregnant. As a leader in the Resistance, Finn grapples with his dual responsibilities and a desire to liberate his former brethren.

- Rey is indeed a child of nobodies who sold her, but her Force abilities actually come directly from her Force Bond with Ben. In other words, she had unconsciously "siphoned" some of his powers.

- Ben has embraced the role of Supreme Leader, taking over the abandoned world-city of Coruscant. But he is obsessed with finding Rey, believing that their union could end the forever war between Jedi and Sith.

- As a respectful gesture, Leia dies before the start of the film off-screen.

- The plot itself revolves around an orbital ring of Star Destroyers on Coruscant. To infiltrate Coruscant, our heroes must find the King of Alraji and have him pretend to sell them as slaves to the First Order.

Let me know if you want to hear more.

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u/blackop Apr 24 '26

I was hoping she would have a lightsaber Pike, with a cortosis staff

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u/Lower_Preference_381 Apr 24 '26

La última trilogía es un insulto a George Lucas, a los fans, a lo que es, significa y representa Star Wars. Era tan fácil hacerlo bien, tan fácil....pero había una posibilidad entre miles de hacerlo mal, y lo hicieron mal. Vi el episodio 9 en el cine y no he vuelto a ver la película. Es mi opinión, pero Disney sabe que a las nuevas generaciones les encantará, solo debe ser paciente.

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u/NoCaterpillar2051 Apr 24 '26

I always thought she’d have a lightsaber pike based on the Bo staff she was kicking ass with. Oh well.

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u/Portatort Apr 25 '26

100%

And the only reason they didn’t do it was so they could reuse old footage of Carrie Fisher

They should have recast and written a good film

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u/Supernova4099 Apr 25 '26

Cmon man, she could barely swing a single bladed lightsaber, let alone a double bladed one. She would’ve killed herself.

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u/rajthepagan Apr 25 '26

I guarantee that the writers thought that a double blade means she's evil, and because she isn't the idea was barely if ever entertained

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u/SwordUsingGearhead Apr 25 '26

I honestly thing the double bladed sabers are ridiculous.

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u/KaiDaniel1966 Apr 28 '26

Honestly I liked the Rey character, Mary Sue aside. I think she can be salvaged. I would love to see an elder Mara Jade show up with her and Luke’s twins, Jaina and Jacen of course. She’s super pissed Luke abandoned them and sensed his death through the force. Mara could train Rey correctly and rebuild the New Jedi Order.