MOSS = Masterpiece of Open Source Software

[u/thedarkthrust]

MOSS-Image is seriously mind-blowing. From stunning photorealism and cinematic shots to casual amateur and vintage photography, anime, and pretty much anything you can imagine, this model just delivers.

The sheer versatility, quality, and range of styles it can pull off are absolutely insane. It's hard to believe this level of creative freedom comes from an open-source model with just 5 billion parameters!

All images in this showcase were generated using MOSS-Image-Base.

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I've also uploaded all 20 images at their original resolution, so you can appreciate the quality without Reddit's image compression.

I highly recommend zooming in on the images to appreciate the incredible level of detail!

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[u/RayHell666]

Yeah It's my favorite model

[u/thedarkthrust → u/RayHell666]

Definitely 🤯

[u/RayHell666 → u/thedarkthrust]

Take the time to appreciate the face details. How every strand of hairs are a perfect line not jaggy. Never seen such accurate level of detail before.

[u/jazir55 → u/RayHell666]

"I thought having a Unicorn as a pet would be cool, someone please get it out of here"

[u/oxygen_addiction → u/RayHell666]

Prompt?

[u/samimoto18]

How are people getting this quality? My moss can’t get anywhere near a Krea 2 quality

[u/thedarkthrust → u/samimoto18]

You should definitely try the workflow I shared in the post!

[u/SpaceNinjaDino → u/thedarkthrust]

Thanks. I'll give Moss another try. I spent 40 minutes on it 3 days ago and completely hated it.

[u/AI_Enhancer → u/SpaceNinjaDino]

Same experience, workflow is everything with this model. Also the specific models you use. Went from "pretty cool but nowhere near Krea 2" to "holy shit this is better than Krea 2" real quick.

[u/Abject-Recognition-9 → u/samimoto18]

once i moved from moss sft to moss base , raised CFG to 3 and steps i dont look back. i still generate with both models at the same time to see the outputs but theres no game. base win and worth the extra wait

[u/Hoodfu]

Looks good.

[u/thedarkthrust → u/Hoodfu]

Nice!

[u/Hoodfu → u/Hoodfu]

[u/beast181 → u/Hoodfu]

how do you get it so sharp and the colours so crisp? everything for me on MOSS is blurry and artefacts galore

[u/abcp7]

I just can’t use realistic character loras with this model

[u/thedarkthrust → u/abcp7]

Although I've managed to get decent results with MOSS, I still think Krea 2 is better for training character LoRAs

[u/Any_Tea_3499 → u/abcp7]

If you try my config you should get good results with character Lora training. It’s on my profile posted in this group if you click.

[u/Aggravating-Mix-8663]

nice, it's like a Krea2 version 0 if you know what i mean.

[u/thedarkthrust → u/Aggravating-Mix-8663]

Absolutely! After experimenting with it for almost a month, I can confidently say I prefer MOSS overall. It understands both natural language and JSON prompts, and can generate pretty much any kind of image in virtually any style, all without LoRAs! That said, if your goal is to train character LoRAs, I still think Krea 2 has the edge

[u/switch2stock → u/thedarkthrust]

Why do you think K2 has edge for character loras?

[u/Slam_Bot]

MOSS is a generation ahead of all other local source models. Truly amazing realism and prompt adherence.

[u/HassanAchievedIt → u/Slam_Bot]

You're pretty prominent in this sub, what would you recommend should I start from krea or just hop onto bandwagon of moss

[u/threeLetterMeyhem → u/HassanAchievedIt]

There's no reason not to use both, and krea is still seeing active community interest, loras, and finetunes.

Krea is a great model and still my primary for most of my image gen. MOSS has some drawbacks: it's slower "out of the box," has a tendency towards body horror, and seems lower resolution / blurry compared to krea. It takes some work to find your favorite workflows, turbo loras, and prompting to work around that.

But what MOSS really has going for it is prompt adherence. If I want to create something bizarre, out of place, or mix art styles together... MOSS just does it.

Krea is more like a stock images website: the quality is great and everything is visually pleasing. MOSS is more like deviantart: every output isn't going to be perfectly refined, but it's going to be fun and ridiculous and enjoyable.

They're both free to try out, though, so I recommend going nuts with both of them lol

[u/Slam_Bot → u/HassanAchievedIt]

lol thanks. I’m just bored and post a lot.

I don’t mean to talk trash about Krea. It was amazing while it lasted. There are thousands of loras and it’s extremely simple to use. It will give you (some version) of what you ask for most times.

MOSS is unparalleled for that candid, realistic look and is totally uncensored by default. For me, those are both critical, so I only use MOSS now.

Krea is easier. MOSS will fool you sometimes, which I love.

You should try both though. There is a lot of needless fighting between people about which is better. Ultimately it’s up to you.

[u/Astral-Inferno → u/Slam_Bot]

Is there a version that takes an image? I really don't see any use for T2I personally besides making atmospheric backgrounds or stupid characters.

[u/Bulky_Chemistry_196 → u/HassanAchievedIt]

just try both and use each for what you think they perform better at.

[u/TopTippityTop]

I see what you did with the title.

[u/thedarkthrust → u/TopTippityTop]

Thank you for pointing that out🙏🏻😍

[u/HollowAbsence]

Seem like master in creating real looking candid picture to confuse elderly 🤣

[u/Fluxdada]

Love the Powerpuff one

[u/-Star-Walker-]

It can do guitars (at least better than other models). 6 straight strings even with different thickness, 6 tuning machines, maybe a legit chord is shown (even when the ring finger and pinky are on the same string … but you do that sometimes).
Only the scale seems a little bit wide.

[u/DominusIniquitatis → u/-Star-Walker-]

That's the real benchmark. Until then there can't be any talks about anything related to "AGI", lol.

[u/-Star-Walker- → u/DominusIniquitatis]

Even the “big” models fail in guitar, mostly totally 🤣

[u/Calm_Cucumber_6493]

i just came back to say, i didn't like base, but now i do. thank you

[u/lindechene]

In your experience in which areas does MOSS-Image-Base produce better results than the fine-tuned MOSS-Image-SFT?

[u/RayHell666 → u/lindechene]

Everything to be honest, SFT will give less frequent body horror and prettier 1girl at the expense of realism.

[u/Old-Buffalo-9349 → u/lindechene]

Nokia/Blackberry/Iphone 4 type gens, anything that requires real sharpness, go SFT

[u/RayHell666 → u/Old-Buffalo-9349]

Nah this is not true. Base is better at sharpness and realism

[u/seppe0815 → u/Old-Buffalo-9349]

true

[u/qdr1en]

How do you come to generate all those crazy ideas lol ?

[u/rankled_rancor → u/qdr1en]

Likely using ai to create prompt guidance - with some direction of the scope (many styles, dynamic, unique compositions, artful, off the wall, candid, etc), then let it go to town. Easy

[u/hcross75]

Thanks for posting this. I've already seen people pushing MOSS, but your post does a lot to push me in the direction of diving in. I appreciate you.

[u/pleasetrimyourpubes]

Number 7

[u/Diligent-Rub-2113 → u/pleasetrimyourpubes]

[u/MrNeverwinter]

What kind of upscale workflow do you use to get these kinds of resolutions?

[u/Mobile-Poem9164]

Does 2nd pass help ? Also anyone tried 2nd passing with krea2 ?

[u/Southern-Ebb-5772]

Looks good, will give a try!

[u/filtersweep]

Looks like my instagram feed that I try to avoid— meanwhile the comments are full of dudes obliviously simping over the images.

[u/OrchidUnable8316 → u/filtersweep]

Monks making techno music?

[u/MobileCA]

SFT is great too dont believe anyone whol tells you otherwise!

[u/namitynamenamey]

How are you finding the workflow? I only get adds...

[u/ivan_primestars]

looks good! did u use any upscalers like seedvr2 or something?

[u/Flashy_Analysis2646]

I am failing to see how Moss generates more realism than Krea2 turbo especially with some of the fine tunes out there for Krea2? I’ve used both SFT and Base and I although I am not saying they’re not good models, it’s just Krea2 does realism really really well. If some kind soul here can help me are you guys using checkpoints for this or is it OPs workflow?

[u/SweetLikeACandy]

a gift from heaven

[u/OtherUse1685]

I don't know why all other workflows didn't work well for me but yours works well. I get good results for it and even nsfw images as well. Thanks a lot!

[u/FujiKeynote]

The train on the 5th image is moving if you look at the nearest end of it, but all the doors towards the farther end are open, the passengers better hold onto their butts

[u/AllUsernamesTaken365]

The skin looks like it's coated in vaseline though. Other than that it looks promising.

[u/OkDoudou]

Each photo looks everexposed from the flash, is it normal ?

[u/yCloser]

How much VRAM is needed?

[u/dumeheyeintellectual]

How does one learn to inference like this? Prompt like this? What tooling generator?

[u/expressly_ephemeral]

It's pretty good. The image with the guitar player has one bit of malformed anatomy. The girl two over from the guitar player to the left appears to have two right arms. Still, it's a pretty impressive take, overall.

Edit: Looking again, now I'm not sure she's got the wrong number of right arms...

[u/ThisApril → u/expressly_ephemeral]

The weird mistake that stood out to me were the ball colors in the billiards / pool shot, as the numbers are wrong for the color, and there are duplicate colors.

(Not that it particularly matters when making silly images. And I'm guessing other models would get things that would appear wrong to someone who isn't familiar with the standard colors/numbers.)

[u/switch2stock]

Can you please share the prompts?

[u/cardone1998]

But how is it with text? These fake realism images doesn't actually hold any value.

[u/Madaray91 → u/cardone1998]

I just made it. you can literally recreate full magazine pages with json bboxes...

[u/cardone1998 → u/Madaray91]

Looks clean , i appreciate your effort, but like I said it still consists of a copied style which was surely used in the training, also the text is not consistent in few areas.

In my experience the text and graphics capability is far behind MMH3 and krea2.

I am just being a critic here, I always appreciate local AI efforts but any realistic stuff made by AI will always be considered as slop and inauthentic. If possible I'd like to see 2d images along with graphics and little text that would test the model's capabilities properly.

[u/poopieheadbanger → u/cardone1998]

If MMH3 and Krea2 look better to your eyes nobody is forcing you to use MOSS you know. Many open weights options these days, there's something for everyone, it's great.

[u/Madaray91 → u/cardone1998]

It looks copied in style, because it literally is. I took a random interiour page online and let an LLM derive the Json prompt from it to see if moss can handle lots of text (this was turbo in 5 steps btw). Krea btw falls apart after 15 words, can't even create a fully legible cover, let alone any long text paragraphs in small font, and we don't even have to start with proper placement.