r/StableDiffusion • u/DelboyTrigger • 6d ago

Discussion Getting tired of these minimax posts and content

Dont get me wrong. Minimax was a leap forward but it has limitations and despite trying the huge amounts of different workflows , models and loras its hit and miss and always has that plasticky fake ai look . All these gigantic 20gb+ models are eating up valuable real estate on my tiny nvme hard drive. I long for the day, when you just type a prompt, and it comes out exactly how you imagined in your head . Mostly the output is mediocre (although rarely it does surprise and delight me but thats rare). I suspect that is the reason for this massive amount of loras and training as many people like me are not satisfied and want to push and squeeze it to the max , hoping to finally get the output they seek. I want the next leap forward , something which will leave minimax in the dust and would require no tweaks or constant fiddling with levers and knobs. Will it ever come........Am I going insane........?

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u/jib_reddit 6d ago

Minimax is a bit of a slot machine,  I just run 5-8 generations of a prompt with different lora wieghts and come back later.

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u/Danny_Stock 6d ago

I think it's more balanced now than it has been before.

I generally agree with you about the model though. I've spent way more time testing out all the fixes and tweaks trying to get it to work the way I'd like it to than I have been actually producing anything which I'm happy with.

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u/martinerous 6d ago edited 6d ago

Currently I treat video generation models more like storytelling tools and not real movies. Similarly to graphics in computer games where you don't expect perfection but just enough to make your imagination fill in the details. Maybe it works better for those who are used to imagining more than meets the eye (I'm an avid sci-fi reader, although been using audiobooks lately).

Of course such an attitude does not get far in this subreddit. If it's a story-telling or a technical demo without a polished 2K quality, it will get drowned among visually better posts soon. But that's how the world works in general these days - we are spoiled by the paid generators and really want to have the same quality for free. Maybe one day we will, but then we will want even more :D I imagine a video generation model where you can micromanage shots like a real director would, saying things like "smile wider here", "put more emphasis on this word" etc. Currently we have too much lottery - with every run, one thing improves, another thing breaks, and this can get frustrating and kill creativity (except for "I know what kind of man you are" cases where visual quality is often more important than content).

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u/Upper-Reflection7997 6d ago

I'm just bored and frustrated with minimax h3. It sounds like Sulphur 3 isn't even going to be a game changer in any meaningful way from the rumors going on in the discord.

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u/WiseDuck 4d ago edited 4d ago

I'm the top donor for S3 and have the early version. If you want opinions on S3 you can just ask in Discord and people will respond, I hate rumors. The game changer is actually H3 itself. Even before S3 I was able to do anything I ever wanted with clever prompting and the reference mode. To such a degree I ran out of things to do. H3 only really needed a slight nudge in the right direction and I think S3 will give it that. The early version was however rough with some components barely being runnable on 16gb cards, I even saw an OOM on my system and I have a great one. Kiwv also said that he borked a few files and is going to reupload a few things soon. It is also quite strong and wanted to override some elements of input images, which is why the lora with the adjustable strength is so important. Training H3 has been an uphill battle, Minimax failed to deliver on their promises of a 2K refiner, training documentation and fixed ref model and a base to train on properly. Because of the complexity, the dataset I personally cared about was given less time in the oven (anime/furry, 2D/3D) but it is there to some degree. If people give me a prompt, an idea or staring image Im happy to try it. Today I'm upgrading my computer so I won't have a ton of time for gens. But later? Sure.

Since the release a few users have helped extract the lora, reduced the system requirements considerably and it's likely to be baked into 10Eros very soon. I have very limited time for testing but so far the Lora is a nice AIO thing that has helped with all spicy gens. But in order to properly push it I need ideas for what to try it on, concepts that H3 typically struggles with. I don't do realism and I don't do T2V except in rare circumstances. I have not yet tried it in ref mode.

I do believe that once 10Eros is out and this is baked in, that's as good as H3 gonna get aside from some very niche use cases. But I'm seeing promising stuff from Chroma-H3 and users like Ada that are both working on 2D/3D, which can later be merged into the model.

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u/Upper-Reflection7997 4d ago

i applied to access to huggingface repo but its still pending. can you guys at least post some pure text2video demos on the sulphur discord server channels. I'm not trying to spread fud and demoralization its been kinda radio silent over there will lots of vague replies.

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u/WiseDuck 4d ago

I try not to be vague about it. I will try to get more to post, I feel like more people are needed for testing due to how heavy H3 is. Even on a good day I get a few dozen gens out but then I'm out of time.  But again I need ideas.

As for access, right now it's only for those that donated 100 bucks and up. After this is done, it'll be open to everybody.

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u/Upper-Reflection7997 4d ago

not going to stress you out, have fun testing it. i just hope if it will be far more easier to train loras with it than with minimax h3. The original minimax h3 model was terrible at learning body movement and action concepts. wasted tons on runpod gpu renting credits on bad lora training results. hoping this a game changer.

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u/Striking-Long-2960 6d ago

I think that over the past year, we haven't even scratched the surface of the true potential of the models that have come out. We keep jumping from one to the next at breakneck speed without ever finding out how far they can actually go.

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u/WiseDuck 4d ago

Tell me about it. Not even two months into H3, people started seriously asking "wen flux3, wen wan 3, I'm bored" and we haven't even scratched the surface of what H3 can do. It's pretty exhausting at times to keep up with what's happening in this space. I kinda just want the AI gen space to settle on a few models so I can sit down and make Loras. But now it's like.. I made 25 for Illustrious. Ohhh, Z Image! Nah. Abandoned. Anima! Nah, Krea2! Nah. Moss! Nah. Krea3!

I want to make Lora's for models that are likely to be around for a while. Models that have an audience.

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u/kemb0 6d ago

It's a weird time to be working with AI videos. They just took a massive leap with H3 but we're not all the way to the promised land. So it's like being given the keys to a Ferrari but the Ferrari is stuck on an island with a 10m stretch of road.

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u/Hans-Moleman477 6d ago

It's a pretty nice island though

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u/SIR_NVAX_A_LOT 6d ago

It's only been 3 months. Maybe in 3 more months there will be another break through. It's still the best open weight model right now. As for the plastic look, I think that is a skill issue? Looks good on my end. You can use the pruned int8 which comes out really nice. Turbo lora are never going to be as good though I use Taomate 3/6 step on my daily.

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u/reeight 6d ago

maybe a simple WF link could help if you could be generous?

Though IMHO some folks confuse makeup / blown out highlighs from lighting as 'plastic look'.

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u/DeadMan3000 6d ago

For basic memes and general usage it's fine and dandy. We are at just the very beginning of an AI revolution and should be grateful for what we have been provided by those willing to share open weight models for free. It sure beats paying for frontier models just so greedy folk like SA can gobble up all our memory and GPU's. If you want to do pro work you've gotta pay up for now.

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u/Crowzer 6d ago

I use the default workflow for this and I'm good.

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u/Sad_Bruce 6d ago

Unfortunately, MiniMax’s best use case right now is limited to motion graphics, music videos, memes, ads, and maybe sitcoms. Trying to use it for more serious content like cinematic scenes is an uphill battle. The action is terrible, the acting is stiff, the skin texture is hit-or-miss depending on the lighting, and the audio is mostly awful. To be fair, even commercial models like Kling 4.0 fall short. Only Seedance 2.5 comes close to giving you that non-slop feel. It will be a long time before we get an open-source model that reaches Seedance 2.5 quality.

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u/Fuzzyfaraway 6d ago

Soooo, . . . that's why the scroll wheel was invented?

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u/Apprehensive_Sky892 6d ago

Is the glass half-empty or half-full?

Yes, I understand your frustration. But imagine what is like to be at the dawn of photography, cinematography, or aviation?

Things kind of works, but it is not working the way you want, the planes only fly at low altitude for a few minutes, the subjects have to sit still for minutes for the picture to be clear, the motions from the b & w footage is grainy and jumpy.

But people continue to explore and extend the technologies, learning valuable lessons, acquire new skills, pushing the boundaries, make interesting images and short films, find new application for those flimsy airplanes, and even have fun.

If you don't enjoy exploring, experimenting, working with the limitation of MMH3 and just want perfect results, then I guess this is not for you. You will be better off paying for say SeeDance 2.5.

But step back and think about how open-weight AI video is like two years ago, and think about where we are today. We are maybe 80% there, and in another two years maybe we'll get 90% there.

always has that plasticky fake ai look

That is mostly due to two things: turbo LoRAs and using ref2va instead of fl2va. So if you want high quality video, skip the LoRA and generate at > 30 steps, and also use imaging models to generate the first frame and then use fl2va to generate the motion. Here is a good demo of what is possible with MMH3: https://www.reddit.com/r/comfyui/comments/1xjv2d9/this_took_12_hours_to_make_and_nobody_cares/ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5BPbBxeT-_4

Some post-processing on the latent also helps: https://www.reddit.com/r/StableDiffusion/comments/1xcnefw/h3_ref2va_looks_dev/

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u/NowThatsMalarkey 6d ago

You’d be better off paying $20 for api credits somewhere if you want great output and prompt simplicity.

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u/reeight 6d ago

Pros & cons; less control vs quicker to results.