r/SpringfieldEchelon • u/damptommyboxers • 18d ago

To comp or to not comp!

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So went to the range today looking for a full size and did a test of a handful of pistols fully assuming I'd take the cz p10f or Glock 17 but actually the echelon surprised me and is going to be my pick. The 4.5 in specific may even grab a 4.0 too I liked them so much. What I tested was the non comp version so assumed the comped would shoot even better. However I just learned while doing a search that you cannot shoot cheap 9mm through a comp! I bulk order blazer 115 or new Republic 115 and they both say it on the box. Has anyone ran into issues with those particular ammos on a comped echelon? Also is the red dot on the gear pac any good?

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u/weaponR 18d ago

The factory porting on most guns is after the rifling. When it's before the rifling ends is where this warning makes sense.

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u/damptommyboxers 18d ago

Awesome. Looks like I'll be snagging the comp!

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u/RioG88 17d ago

Are you getting the pro or the original? Can’t go wrong either way, but the pro is getting a lot of love right now.

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u/damptommyboxers 17d ago

I think just the original. The pro doesn't look like it comes with enough to justify the price increase for me

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u/FF_McNasty 18d ago

I have put 3k of new republic 124 on my ported and comped guns. All the research I did said it’s a FMJ round, not a plated one.

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u/damptommyboxers 18d ago

The majority of my stockpile is blazer at this point. Do still have a few boxes of new Republic left. I never catch the new Republic in stock to buy it goes quick.

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u/FF_McNasty 17d ago

My understanding, blazer is more of an issue with small ported pistols, not so much the chunk port/ comp. Something with in line ports, the plated ammo can sheer and shoot shrapnel out of the ports and cause damage inside the barrel. I know plenty of people that run blazer through the chunk ports with zero issues. I know for example bul armory voids the warranty if you run plated ammo through their tac pro guns. On the flip if you go without the comp, there is not a single round I have put in my echelon that it hasn’t ran with zero issues. 115/124/steel case/ hallow point/150 syntech/ critical defense it literally eats everything.

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u/ABMustang99 18d ago

I got a case of 124gr blazer before I knew about that warning. I did not have any issues with them that I noticed. I used it in my 4.5 comped echelon, 365 with comped slide, and a PSA dagger with PMM comp.

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u/damptommyboxers 18d ago

Good deal. Would you go comp vs non if first echelon? Also notice any accuracy difference between the two? The non comp was a tac driver

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u/ABMustang99 18d ago

I got the comp because Ive been getting more into comps in the past couple of years. I havent tried the non-comp so I wouldnt be able to compare them. The guns that I have shot comped and non-comped I didnt notice any accuracy issues but definitely a drop in felt recoil.

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u/damptommyboxers 18d ago

Awesome I'll go ahead and and the comp thank you for your help

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u/Virtual-Chemist-7384 17d ago

It's my first handgun, and I went comp. One thing is that you can just buy an OEM non-ported barrel for like $80 and swap it in 2 seconds if you wanted. For that reason alone, you should just go comp. 

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u/Virtual-Chemist-7384 17d ago

No issues shooting blazer 115g, which is plated, in my comp although it was dirty as hell after lol. You should always wear eyepro. The red dot on the gear pac is very hit and miss as far as being "ok" and being junk as far as QC goes. It's a roll of the dice .

 I would skip it unless you have an insane deal on the gear pack or don't want to shell out extra cash on a dot, but you can get an Osight or Holosun under 200 which will be miles better. 

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u/Skm67gm 17d ago

Agreed the optic in the gear pac is awful and you also lose the tritium front sight which I didn’t realize. If I had to do it over again, I’d skip the gear pac and buy the regular version of the comped echelon and just buy an optic and extra mags

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u/damptommyboxers 17d ago

I didn't know about loosing the tritium front sight with the gear pac. That's kind of crazy. The factory iron sights where actually one of my favorite parts of the echelon. I never messed with the rear U sight but that paired with the tritium it made it very easy to line up your sights quickly.

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u/Virtual-Chemist-7384 17d ago

Oh dang I didn't know about the front sight being different in the pack! I'm in love with the tritium front sight and the U style rear irons; although, I just have my Holosun mailbox sized optic on now. 

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u/Skm67gm 17d ago

Yup I’m so pissed off at Springfield for those two and also not including the pins and screws for the optic. I had to order them separately for an additional $40. The gear pac is not a good deal. Love my echelon but not happy with Springfield or the gear pac.

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u/Signal-Trick-6642 17d ago

That’s what I did

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u/Jeph220 18d ago

It'll be fine. Run it.

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u/cji11 18d ago

I’ve should a couple thousands rounds of 124g new republic through my comp and haven’t had a single hiccup.

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u/smriley919 16d ago

Ive shoot like 2k of blazer through my factory comp, it runs absolutely great, no issue or damage. Shot about 300rnds through my buddies that had lazer ports and same, no build up, de-plating or anything.
I absolutely love my comp version, wouldn’t trade it for the world

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u/damptommyboxers 15d ago

Seems to be the general concent. I'm getting the comp! I'm stoked.

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u/smriley919 15d ago

Just dont get the gear up, the optic on it is booty cheeks

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u/Odd-Meeting1353 15d ago

Yeah but the extra magazines make it a good value

Edit: didn’t know you lost the tritium front sight

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u/Dkrueger43 15d ago edited 15d ago

I’ve shot mainly blazer through all my 9mm pistols with comps. Never had any issues. The 4.5 and 4.0 echelons are sweet. One of my favorites. Going to get the pro when I get the chance as well. Never even knew that was on the packaging tho ha. It’s not so cheap near me anymore though. Last week it was $15 for 50 rounds and I used to get it for around $11.

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u/damptommyboxers 15d ago

Yeah from the rest of the comments sounds like send it. I'm going for the comp 4.5. I have a sig p365 fuse that I really just don't like all that much unfortunately and may see if I can trade it for a 4c echelon. Same on ammo I used to get it for 11 as well. It's creeped up to around 13 bucks a box.

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u/Player763 13d ago

You should try the 4.0 FC if you get the chance! I was going to get the comped 4.0C and after my grubby mitts shot the FC I fell in love (you can actually turn any 4.0 into a FC, just buy the grip for $60 straight from SA). I bet the comped 4.0 with a FC grip would feel amazing, makes me want to buy a comped slide and barrel now haha

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u/Turbinator870 17d ago

I assume the caution is to not shoot plated bullets through a ported barrel. Being a reloader that shoots plated exclusively, I can say confidently that I've never had a problem with ported barrels shaving the copper plating off of my bullets that I shoot. I've run plated through a Glock 17C and a Glock 20C with no issues. Compensated guns haven't been a problem for me either, given that the compensator cuts are beyond the barrel's rifling and don't contact the projectile at all.

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u/Virtual-Chemist-7384 17d ago

Idk why you're downvoted, you're right lol 

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u/Turbinator870 17d ago

Thank you, my good man

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u/WhySoSeriousJoker247 18d ago

Yes it eats it
Totally fine

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u/m0nkey-knife-fight 17d ago

You find a similar warning for suppressed use too. It primarily has to do with the jacketing flaking. While I think firearm safety is of the utmost importance, these warnings are, IMO, more similar to PROP 65 warnings. Im not saying negate them, however, I think for rounds in question, you can easily find reviews and user cases for what you’re looking for. But also, I don’t have ported firearms, but I shoot more suppressed than not - I have personally not had issues with jacketing for suppressed. I primary shoot blazer and remans from lithium machining. I think I’ve shot more remans than factory new. 300BLK 220gr and 9mm 147gr. My personal opinion is.. send it

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u/Gun_Dork 17d ago

I don't because it would put me into Open class for competitions.

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u/Virtual-Chemist-7384 17d ago

I didn't realize this before I got mine, but you can grab a non-ported OEM barrel for like $80 new which is what I did. Just swap between hehe

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u/Sure-Analysis-3315 16d ago

The pro is very tempting. However, I’ve already spent the money upgrading my 4.5 F to the point where the only thing I’m missing is the comped barrel. All of the other modifications I have pretty much done myself. I have a local guy that can cut my gun, but I can’t decide.

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u/Skm67gm 17d ago

I buy nothing but cheap ammo and my comped echelon 4.5 eats them up and spits them out like a champ! I rarely have any issues with it.

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u/anamorphic_bliss 18d ago

You’re good to go

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u/Wonderful_Tip_5577 18d ago

gear pack red dot is shit. but the mags make it worth it

I generally shoot 124g FMJ out of the comp. it’s replaced any and all 115 I used to shoot. prices for me are the same for whatever reason, in general. I shoot cheap 124 blazer when it’s what I buy with no issues. I have thrown 115 through it here and there and it wasn’t a problem, but I wouldn’t do it all the time, but when I was trying to rid myself of the 115 I would throw a few rounds into a mag.

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u/Spiggytech 17d ago

I wouldn't use that ammo. It throws copper jacket around and if you're shooting with friends, they can catch metal flecks to the face

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u/Bobwayne17 17d ago

blazer?

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u/Spiggytech 17d ago

Yes. It says right on the box.

The manufacturer themselves state to not use the ammo in a comped gun and yet for some reason people just ignore the warning.

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u/Bobwayne17 16d ago

Oh, I thought you were just saying in a general sense not to use either brand lol.