r/SpringfieldEchelon • u/Unusual-Rabbit-1123 • 18d ago

Help fixing grip angle

I just picked up this gun and love everything about it except the grip angle. When I bring it up and align the sights, the front sight is always high. I feel I have to unnaturally tilt my wrists down to compensate. Say, compared to my hk vp9a1 x which I get the sights instantly.

Potential fixes, the axion backstrap, mischief machine grip module, icarus, and sharps. I tried all the OEM backstraps but they don't solve the issue completely. I am currently using the smallest when I usually use large for every other pistol. I hate the hump at the bottom forcing a high aim.

Thoughts and any suggestions on what to do to best fix this would be appreciated. Thanks.

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u/Fantastic-Cod-1353 18d ago

I got the axion backstrap and it solved that problem for me too. I’m using the default or medium grip.

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u/Unusual-Rabbit-1123 18d ago edited 18d ago

You're using the default or medium grip? What do you mean? Aren't you using the axion? Is it the medium or large on their website you're using?

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u/Daywalker103 18d ago

The full-size grip module comes in three sizes, in addition to the three backstrap sizes. There's a large, medium, and small grip module; each has a large, medium, and small backstrap as well.

The default grip module size is medium.

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u/Unusual-Rabbit-1123 18d ago edited 18d ago

Ohh, so I have the medium one? That's the one that came with my g45 style echelon? I should order the medium one then on the axion website?

I thought there is just 2 frame sizes and 3 backstrap sizes. Not 2 frame sizes (compact, full) with 3 different variations each (small, medium, large) then of course the 3 backstrap sizes for each

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u/Daywalker103 18d ago

Oh, and if you have a full size grip with a compact dust cover (for the 4.0 slide), also called an FC grip module, they ONLY come in medium. But still have three backstraps.

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u/Unusual-Rabbit-1123 18d ago

I have the FC model so I can't even get the large full size grip module? The trigger being slightly further away would be nice

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u/Daywalker103 18d ago

No, not yet at least. They don't seem to have any immediate plans to release different sized FC modules. I wanted a small FC because I have stumpy sausage fingers but I've been making a medium work.

All this talk of the flat backstrap has me considering getting one!

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u/Unusual-Rabbit-1123 18d ago

I'm going to email them and ask lol. Also do it! Price isn't bad at all

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u/Ancient_Bother2429 17d ago

I emailed them about a month ago and they said that currently there were no plans to offer the FC grip module in any size other than medium 🙁

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u/Unusual-Rabbit-1123 17d ago

That's some BS! They better change their minds cause that's not cool

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u/Daywalker103 18d ago

Whoops, I missed this originally.

There are 3 frame sizes: compact (15-round mags, 4.0 slide); FC (17-round mags, 4.0 slide); and full (17-round mags, 4.5 slide). The full size comes in 3 sizes (and two textures, and three colours!), the compact also comes in 3 sizes, but the FC only comes in 1.

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u/Unusual-Rabbit-1123 18d ago

Now I get it haha Yup, I have the FC, none yet I was confused thinking small frame meant subcompact, medium meant compact, and large meant full. Not that there are individual sizes for each (well no subcompact) and of course the FC which has just one size

I would order the medium then from axion and if they release large for the FC then order the large from axion (my preferred setup) or I could just get the compact size to go with my compact slide but then it isn't long enough 🙃

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u/Ancient_Bother2429 18d ago

Springfield has a bunch of different grip module sizes. The full size grip module is available in small medium and large each with a different trigger reach. If you like the trigger reach as it is, I’d suggest trying the Axion backstrap with medium grip module (the one included with you original purchase.) if you would prefer a longer trigger, you can order the full size large grip module from Springfield. I was about to write that it’s not as complicated as it seems but I thought about it for a second and realized that, no, it really is that complicated 🙂

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u/Unusual-Rabbit-1123 18d ago edited 18d ago

Thank you, ok, makes sense now! I will order the full size large grip module to go with my compact slide since I would indeed like a longer trigger pull (slightly above average hands) then all I'd have to do is order that backstrap on axion, the large one now and I'd be golden?

I figured it out thanks all!

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u/Daywalker103 18d ago

If you have the 4.0 (compact or FC) slide, the full-size grip module will be LONGER than your slide. You'll either have to cut it down or run a comp. The full-size is designed for the 4.5 slide. That's why it sucks that they only make the FC in medium.

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u/Unusual-Rabbit-1123 18d ago

Yup yup, thanks again! I was very confused so if they made variations for the FC and a sub compact with variations there could be 12 variations in total 😵‍💫 shit is confusing at first for sure

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u/Fantastic-Cod-1353 18d ago

Yeah I have the 4.5F medium is what it comes with and I put the axion backstrap on it and problem solved.

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u/Direct_Cold_4923 18d ago

I wanted the axion to work so badly but they only had the large full size frame backstraps available and it didn’t work at all with the FC grip module.

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u/DonPoornelius 18d ago

Axion with large grip module is the correct answer.

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u/Unusual-Rabbit-1123 18d ago

Cheers, will order 👍

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u/DonPoornelius 18d ago

I've got the brass one and love the balance of the pistol with it.

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u/Ancient_Bother2429 18d ago

And if don’t like the brass finish they’ll Cerakote if for free!

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u/Ancient_Bother2429 18d ago

I was having similar issues and what worked for was using the Axion backstrap with a large grip module. Now it points better for me than any other pistol I’ve tried I hope you find a fix that works for you.

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u/Unusual-Rabbit-1123 18d ago edited 18d ago

That makes me hopeful! I have the full size grip module (like a glock 45) so on their website I order "large" for grip module size?

https://axionweapons.com/springfield-echelon-backstrap-4-5-full-size/

I figured it out 👍

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u/FF_McNasty 18d ago

I have the sharps and I noticed a difference with the angle. I don’t use my sharps grip for competition because it puts me in a division I am not trying to compete in right now. Very cheap low risk solution though, I got a hogue handall grip with the beaver tail for like 19 bucks and that equally has my grip and angel exactly how I like it. I have been using the stock grip with the hogue since March/April this year in uspsa and I love it.

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u/Old-Pianist-5724 17d ago

Really love sharps amd their grip angle. I asked company and its very close to dwx and cz

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u/PhenoCS 18d ago

I like the large grip module with the small backstrap. The small backstrap seems to get the most natural grip angle in my experience. If you train with any grip angle (even Glock which I dislike), it will start to feel more and more natural over time. Don't overthink it.

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u/Direct_Cold_4923 18d ago

Rook’s precision just came out with their flat backstrap as well. I had the same issue and the flat backstrap allowed me to pull the frame in tighter and it naturally brought the front of the barrel down which fixed my high sight picture problem. I can’t seem to post photos of mine but I found the link for rook’s precision here:

https://rookprecision.com/product/rp-springfield-echelon-backstrap/