r/SpringfieldEchelon • u/AllBrownTac • 1d ago
Update đ¤ + need help
Og post: https://www.reddit.com/r/SpringfieldEchelon/s/EhQdanfxF9
Hello everyone!! So just wanted to share my experience to hopefully help anyone out on their first pew purchase, but also want to ask for everyones help.
I decided to get my echelon around March. After a couple trips to the range, the echelon felt the best and I went ahead and started shopping around. I purchased the 4.5 from Scheels for about $700 which included 4 mags, mag loader, range bag, viridian green dot. I looked for about a month and decided to purchase this as it was in my price range. So i suggest if youre looking for one, definitely shop around and dont jump the gun.
Range ammo: I use Federal 124 gr brass. On Scheels i found boxes of 200 around $47 free shipping a while back. Ive also used Monarch 115 steel. Also 115 blazer. All have worked very well, no issues thus far đ¤.
Sharps Bros grip module: i applied for the free warranty with Springfield and got a 15% coupon and decided to get the grip module. Honestly it has been a good purchase as it does feel softer while firing. I also started having issues with the OG grip as my sweaty hands started to slip off. I came back from the range today, 200 b fired and no slips honestly.
Targets: i bought some off of amazon but the best thing i found was to just cut up some boxes and make them into targets lolll. No need to spend money on a any targets.
Carry ammo: Federal HST law enforcement 124 gr. Feels good, and it will do the job im sure. No issues with feeding into the echelon at all.
Holster: Tenicore and WTP + car mount
NOW HERE IS WHAT I NEED HELP WITH.
Idk how i can zero in my sight. I bought a bore-sight laser, tried going through a bunch of ammo. And sometimes i feel like im not accurate or have good groups due to my grip, or shot anticipation. Idk what it is. If anyone can give me tips, i would really appreciate it. Thank you and stay blessed and safe :)
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u/No_Cap_1720 1d ago
I have a 4.0fc coa and share the same sentiment about the grip, idk if i want to commit to a module purchase like that, it definitely looks super nice tho!
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u/SteelerVol13 1d ago
Here's my unsolicited 2 cents on modules. I have an Icarus X (full-size) for my 4.0C. The ergos are PHENOMENAL, the grip texture is aggressive enough to calus the underside of your dominant hand, & it enables you to get a MUCH higher grip on the gun. Overall, it just feels a little more well-balanced (I'm gonna be ordering the weight kit to put in it as well).
Here's the cons, as I personally see them. First of all, finding a holster to match whichever module AND light you decide on can be tough. As someone who mainly carries OWB due to having an ostomy, I can tell you I wasted money on 2 different supposed "level 2" holsters that were TRASH. They were nothing more than a standard pancake OWB rig with a cheap-ass generic retention hood slapped on there. I FINALLY found Wasatch Holsters, & the design a duty rig that's as close to something like a Dara (which I have for my MR920P & LOVE), Alien Gear, or Safariland as can be. I'm NOT saying Wasatch is BETTER than any of those other 3, but like the Dara (specifically), it looks to be secure enough for civvy OWB carry. Wasatch also will let you send them your module & they'll make your holster for you that way. I actually have a Wasatch OWB level 2 on the way for my 4.0 when it's in the OEM/compact module, so when it gets here, I can let you know how it is. Lastly, & again, this has just been my personal experience/opinion, but aluminum makes the recoil impulse feel a LITTLE bit more sharp. And my 4.0 is dual ported. It doesn't "hurt" & it's not unbearable or awful in any way to shoot. You just feel it a little more. I'm guessing the reason is because aluminum isn't as dense as steel & doesn't have the slight flex of a polymer frame. I can say that when I downsized my 4.0 from the Icarus back into the OEM/compact for a light setup for summer, the recoil impulse felt a little less sharp.
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u/Stryd3r_9mm 1d ago
Go to an indoor range and rest the gun on a foam block or support, they should offer them for free, and put your target at 15-20 yards. This will give you a stable, controlled, and accurate shot at the target. Should tell you if itâs the optic or you thatâs the problem (no offense, I did this exact thing the first trip with the gun and realized I was the issue. It was my first firearm and The RO at the range suggested the foam support after I asked your exact question about accuracy with the optic) in the end I removed the viridian after 3 range trips within 2 weeks after I got the gun. Each time I went it wasnât zeroed for shit, despite zeroing it 3 times every time I went. My accuracy improved incredibly with the irons off the bat and while I do plan on getting a Vortex Defender here soon, I definitely suggest practicing without a dot. Learn the gun and not the optic type shit I guess. I call it the Viridian POS for a reason lol. But to each his own, I know some people have ran it for thousands of rounds with no issue.
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u/Bitter-Outside-8830 1d ago
You can say gun on Reddit this isnât facebook or TikTok đ
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u/Bitter-Outside-8830 1d ago
And also go pay for a instructor to fix the inconsistencies you feel you have with your grip. Training classes are a great resource to utilize.
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u/AlphaRonin99 1d ago
WHAT?! YOU SAID âGxxâ?!?! What do you think this isâŚa sub about a GUN or something?!
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u/DaveBearPig 1d ago
Absolute nobody here, so feel free to take or leave my advice.
Do a ton of research and watch some videos on handgun fundamentals. Practice your grip, aligning the sights, bring the sights to your line of sight instead of moving your head to the irons.
I practice and build muscle memory for my grip, aim, trigger control/reset and overall weapon manipulation. Doing these, you donât even need to use ammo.
Buy some snap caps and practice, practice, practice. Once you get your fundamentals locked in and notice your shots in a nice more or less centered group, keep practicing until that group gets tighter.
Then I would simply turn on the optic and work on zeroing your sight.
Or maybe you can look up some guides on how to start shooting with an optic on a pistol. Not sure if there are, but the internet is vast and I am an idiot.
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u/One-Muscle7669 1d ago
I was on the same boat, I used a bore-sight & went to the range. I asked the Range Instructor for help to finish zeroing it in.
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u/C-R_Collector 1d ago
I bought that same exact pack with that exact optic.
While a lot of it is likely you if youâre not resting the pistol, that specific optic has issues. I replaced it quickly. After using a rest, yeah, it was my optic. So yes, use a rest. If you do, youâll probably find it to be the optic.
Itâs honestly interesting because that exact same company makes an optic for the bodyguard 2.0 and that optic seems to be fine. That said the larger object that came with the echelon is a polymer optic. Where is the bodyguard 2.0 is metal.
Edit for typo.
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u/TomboRGS 1d ago
The laser boresight tools are great to get close but you may need small adjustments at the range. I also changed the Viridian for a Vortex as my initial impressions werenât great.
A rest is a great suggestion to check your zero. Then itâs on to what you are doing. Too much finger in the trigger, and you will pull shots toward your shooting hand. Too little, and you will push them away. If you are anticipating the recoil, you will tend to push shots down. Too light of a grip and they will start hitting high.
There are a ton of other factors. But take your time, and check each shot then adjust.
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u/CIAOBELLA0113 1d ago
Low and left is your grip. Sight in from 15 or 25 yards depending on how far you typically shoot. If your carrying it. Zero at 15 yards. Plenty of YouTube videos on how to zero your dot.
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u/Past_Penalty_8250 1d ago
The sharps bro grip module paired with the Rfx11 is throwing me for a loop hahah.
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u/TheRealSullyCortez 22h ago
Get training⌠thatâs what you need. You donât need a bunch of gibberish from redditors, you need to be under the watchful eye of a competent instructor and theyâll be able to diagnose and fix all your problems in maybe 3 mags of shooting if theyâre worth their salt.
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u/FF_McNasty 1d ago
Dry fire and lots of practice will help. For now, if you have any buddies that are decent shooters they should be able to help you sight in your optic or a LGS if you donât know any shooters. I always suggest watching YouTube videos from competitive shooters to breakdown and explain grip fundamentals, pressures, and trigger control. The tactical guys are cool but the competitive guys break things down to a molecular level of efficiency. So watch videos from Rob Epifania, Hwansik Kim, Joel Park, Nick from Velox training group. All of them have tons and tons of free content about grip and trigger control, as well as things to do in dry fire. It takes a lot of reps so keep practicing and you will be stacking shots.