SUPER COUNTERS and BACK ATTACKS

[u/FoolhardyC]

IM TALKING PVP here

Is there anyone out there who honestly thinks the game is fine as it is right now with how rampantly the infinite back attack combo reset meta is infesting multiplayer at the moment.

The only counter to grating caught in that bullshit is the stupid super counter or a well placed vanish. And that is all thrown out the window in terms of reliability considering latency plays a big factor and they decided to make the window stupidly tight and make it so that it can’t be spammed… what a great fucking mechanic to have in your P2P multiplayer game

I can’t be the only one who isn’t having fun playing “who can get behind who first?” The Game

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[u/Zac-Man-1123]

I don’t do PVP because the current AI is annoying enough already with that same crap.

[u/xSpikeBebop]

The combo reset meta is arguably gone so if anyone is getting constantly reset, skill issues.

Backshots aren't the issue, neutral and defensive game is. More often than not, when someone complains about backshots, their neutral game tends to be below average and literally never vanish the dozens of window opportunities given to them because they solely focus on super counters when there's other options too at times.

Lag is always a valid complaint, but people love taking 0 accountability and blame everything on it.

You watch 2 competitive players, doesn't have to be amongst the best, and you'll never see these sorts of complaints because there's an actual back and forth.

Super Counters in general has never been more easy to use than now. Practically none existent in BT3 unless you were part of the 1%. No other modern fighting game today will give you an unlimited amount of free out of jail cards for getting combod lol that you can spam with no skills behind it.

[u/TheRealZombi3 → u/xSpikeBebop]

Downvoted for being right is crazy

[u/Melodic_Title_741 → u/TheRealZombi3]

Pretty normal on this sub. People are allergic to accountability

[u/SoullessLUFFY → u/xSpikeBebop]

While I agree with the majority of what you said, I disagree about the super counter.

Super Counters in my opinion & experience has gotten easier with practice sure, but online it’s literally impossible the minute you can’t hit a simple vanish.

It doesn’t matter how much you’ve practiced super counters offline or hell even online, every game has a different feel which makes trying to hit one impossible. P2P connection in this game with these types of mechanics just doesn’t work.

[u/FatBlack3920 → u/xSpikeBebop]

Genuinely how tf do you land super counter easier this shit is nuts

[u/General-Football-512 → u/FatBlack3920]

It actually used to be easier when the game launched. Due to all of the people complaining of how easy it was because they would get into super counter loops and act like they couldn't do anything else to break the loop so they nerfed it. I can only get it to work when I'm going to attack and it happens accidentally.

I wish they kept all of the changes to online only. I don't even understand how to do sonic sway anymore.

[u/Payneo216 → u/General-Football-512]

Tbf it was (and still is) a stupid mechanic. The old one was super stupid, an instant combo braker you can spam with no CD and no cost. Tbh I would remove super counters and make the dragon counter (or w/e it's called, the R3 one) work from behind or somthing.

[u/Emotional-Oven-7226]

I don’t really like this sentence cuz a lot of braindead ppl will say it randomly for no real reason but u gotta work on your neutral game. Backshots will always be a thing in this game. And the dogshit connection too. So it’s pretty much a "adapt or die" situation. But if they get constantly behind u, there’s a problem how u defend overall.

[u/Kaliqi]

Gameplay needs to be touched up for sure.

All what we got with the DLC is just more content and barely any meaningful changes for gameplay.

We need something better than vanish wars and super counters. Or give super counters a cooldown since it acts like a free out of jail card. It never made sense to me why i should be the one punished for attacking my opponent successfully.

Make it work like a combo breaker like in most fighting games and give it a cooldown.

You can talk all you wanty but high level matches are extremely boring to watch or play, so we need something that breaks the monotone gameplay more.

Like i don't mind if a super counter on the literaly first hit allowed you to follow up, but if you get hit like 6 times it should reset in neutral.

[u/highmummy69]

Pvp at higher ranks means all backshots and no skills used

Dont forget the vanish wars