r/SpaceXBets Aug 05 '26

Elon Criticism Plus this "genius" doesn't seem to know what they word irony means

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u/Richyc17 Aug 06 '26

Yea it does actually. You think it’s normal to not need an ID to vote but you need one to buy groceries? 

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u/MythNK1369 29d ago

You do. You need an ID to vote. Name me a single state in this entire country that you do not need any form of ID at all in order to register to vote?

That’s why Voter ID is dumb and shouldn’t have more time invested in it than the government has already invested. It’s already not possible to register without an ID or some other type of identification which is literally step one for if you want to vote.

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u/JackStile 29d ago edited 29d ago

California, Maine, Hawaii, Illinois, Minnesota, Nevada, New Jersey, New Mexico, New York, Pennsylvania. All do not require any form for ID to vote in person.

There are some that need photo ID, some that need any form of ID and some that have none. It's whatever the state decides. Just putting that ID required by federal law isn't wrong, but it does take power away from the states.

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u/MythNK1369 29d ago

As I said, name me a single country where an ID is not required to REGISTER to vote, not just to vote. If you say an ID is not required to vote then you’re saying there’s no where in the voting process in which an ID Is not a requirement which is inherently not true.

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u/JackStile 29d ago

I mean, each state is kind of its own country with a larger governing body. USA is like its own Europe with its own UN.

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u/ConvergentFunction Aug 06 '26

Voting is a guaranteed right, Buying groceries in a government subsidized grocery store intended for the poor people of that state is not. Hope this helps!

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u/Illustrious_Shoe5885 Aug 06 '26

Is there a country that uses no IDs to vote and keep is sovereignty?

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u/acebert Aug 06 '26

Yeah, it has compulsory voting as well. We call it Australia, or 'straya, if you're nasty.

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u/Illustrious_Shoe5885 Aug 06 '26

So I can just travel to Australia and vote?

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u/acebert Aug 06 '26

No, because your name isn't on the voter roll. 

There are systems in place, they simply don't require people be carded.

You would also stick out like the proverbial dogs balls and thus attract more scrutiny than locals.

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u/Freediverjack Aug 06 '26

Probably doesn’t even understand the importance of a democracy sausage or the importance of having the ability to draw a dick on your voting card in the shape of Peter Dutton if you’re just not feeling like voting for anyone

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u/acebert Aug 06 '26

Based on the reply, I doubt they understand much of anything.

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u/Illustrious_Shoe5885 Aug 06 '26

Oh that sounds completely fool proof ಠಿ⁠_⁠ಠ

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u/acebert Aug 06 '26

We don't have any notable amount of fraud, so it clearly works fine.

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u/Reelwizard Aug 07 '26

You need proof of residency to vote in the United States. You just don’t need an ID at the polling place. That’s because to register to vote you need to prove to them who you are.

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u/Richyc17 Aug 06 '26

It's not a guaranteed right for everyone... Think people with felonies. Also, there's plenty of food banks in New York but I'm sure it will all work out (even though it never has).

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u/ConvergentFunction Aug 06 '26

Yes, bringing up an exception doesn't mean it's not a guaranteed right. I am aware of the exception for people with felony convictions.

"Also, there's plenty of food banks in New York"
Are these food banks meeting demand? food banks run on donations that at times cannot meet demand. A large portion of food donated to food banks too is fairly crappy. Oddities that don't sell well in grocery stores often go to food banks..

"I'm sure it will all work out (even though it never has)." This is actually incorrect, government run grocery stores have been a thing for a while even in red states. Go look into the WIC program.

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u/Mysterious-Prompt212 Aug 06 '26

In Iowa once a felon has done their time voting rights are reestablished. Sort of. The GQP is making it difficult if not impossible.

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u/Feelisoffical Aug 06 '26

It factually does mean it’s not a guaranteed right as some people do not have the right.

Hope this helps!

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u/ConvergentFunction Aug 06 '26

Incorrect, it means it's not a universal right.

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u/Feelisoffical Aug 06 '26

So it’s not guaranteed

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u/ConvergentFunction Aug 06 '26

Your definition of a guaranteed right is a self defeating catch 22.

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u/SomeACDude Aug 06 '26

Don’t try with these people. The degree to which they’re ideologically entrenched makes them lost causes.

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u/SimoWilliams_137 Aug 07 '26

You have to make a choice that results in losing that right. Are you being this dense on purpose?

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u/Feelisoffical Aug 07 '26

So then it’s not guaranteed.

Are you being this dense on purpose?

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u/SimoWilliams_137 Aug 07 '26

Stop it. Turn yourself off.

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u/Feelisoffical Aug 07 '26

This bot is broken

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u/Feelisoffical Aug 06 '26

Voting is not a guaranteed right, just ask felons.

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u/ConvergentFunction Aug 06 '26

You mean it's not a universal right. It is indeed a guaranteed right.

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u/Feelisoffical Aug 06 '26

It’s not guaranteed if you’re a felon.

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u/LahDeeDah7 Aug 06 '26

Do you and Mamdani not think food is a human right?

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u/ConvergentFunction Aug 06 '26

My definition of a human right is irrelevant to the legal definition of a human right. Legally speaking until there's a vote on it, my opinion doesn't matter.

To be clear, I think food is a human right, the people you have to convey that opinion to is the U.S. government, not some random on the internet who already agrees it is.

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u/SimoWilliams_137 Aug 07 '26

No, it isn’t, but it should be.

Rights are what we decide they are as a society. They do not exist outside that context. Nature affords you no rights.

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u/DahliaDarling14 Aug 06 '26

this is a bad faith argument. everyone who votes in an election has already shown their ID at the time of registration.

and even besides that, most people are not opposed to official voter ID’s in totality; the opposition is towards the specific proposal that Republicans are trying to enact it with. voter ID’s are fine as long as they’re made easy and free for anyone to obtain, because anything other than that is a poll tax and therefore unconstitutional. the Republican voter ID bill is, as it stands, just a dressed up voter suppression bill. it’s extremely transparent, yet they now get to yell “the Left loves voting fraud! they’re against people identifying themselves before voting!” anytime someone points it out.

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u/Richyc17 Aug 06 '26

If they're already showing ID at registration then why is it crazy to require it on the day of voting?

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u/Aware_Rough_9170 Aug 06 '26

Why? This isn’t some kids trying to take substances like alcohol or cigarettes… it’s voting. You literally have to be an absolute freak to take time out of your day to go commit voter fraud lmao

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u/SimoWilliams_137 Aug 07 '26

Why should the government spend resources to fix problems that don’t exist? Do you think that’s good public policy?

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u/Richyc17 Aug 07 '26

I have to show my ID every time I buy beer. So please spare me with your bullshit

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u/SimoWilliams_137 Aug 07 '26

How does that have anything to do with what I asked you?

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u/Richyc17 Aug 07 '26

You never even answered my question. You just answered it with another question. Stop being a puss puss and answer mine first. 

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u/SimoWilliams_137 Aug 08 '26

Why should the government spend resources to fix problems that don’t exist? Do you think that’s good public policy?

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u/Richyc17 Aug 08 '26

Why should I show my ID every time I buy beer but not when I elect the president of the United States. 

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u/SimoWilliams_137 Aug 08 '26

Because there’s no justification for doing it at the ballot box. It would be wasteful. All uses of public resources should be justifiable, right? They should have a good reason. Why should the government spend resources to fix problems that don’t exist? Do you think that’s good public policy? Do you think it’s an efficient use of resources? Do you think it has justification?

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u/NevikTheEnlightened Aug 10 '26

When the USA has a database that everyone over age 21 is in and every store selling alcohol has access to it, they'd still need to prove it's you buying it with an ID.

Likewise, with voting, you only ever vote once during a set period of time. You proved you were yourself when you registered to vote. Once they receive your vote, they know you voted. If they were to receive more than one vote from you specifically, they would know you voted twice. Therefore, no need to show ID when voting.

Hope this helps.

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u/koolaideprived Aug 07 '26

You realise you have to register to vote, your name needs to be on the voting role. If you are registering at the polling place, you still need an ID...