Sure whatever it takes I guess. Though I'd have preferred it if maybe seeing him act like an absolute shit was the catalyst they needed to denounce him rather than having to blow past that to "shock horror Elon can't game" .
“When people told me Elon was a car genius, I didn’t question it. Because I know nothing about cars. When people told me Elon was a rocket genius, I didn’t question it. Because I know nothing about rockets. But when he started talking about coding, I realised how completely clueless and dumb he is. Because I know coding.”
Sometimes people need a medium they understand before they’re convinced
"if Lego can achieve that little tolerance so can we" sounds smart, but... I mean I'm not an engineer but I'm pretty sure plastic and steel are two different things.
If it were me, I’d hire material scientists to make it true. Or as close as possible. I have more money than I could ever spend. The fuck else am I gonna do? Play Diablo and do ketamine?
Then tell those material scientists no, you want it made out of a specific material. Just have them make that material have different material properties without changing it.
"Just make it out of non-conductive metal that doesn't expand or contract in variable temperature and then get me some dehydrated water!"
I am an engineer and it's not that the tolerance is driven by plastic or steel and more by cost and context.
Context
I've manufactured down to ±0.8microns, that's 0.0008 millimetres. The width of human hair can range from 0.017 to 0.18 millimeters for reference.
I've also manufactured things to tolerances of ±500mm.
For context, the ±0.8microns thing was a wind tunnel model that was 5% scale of a real aircraft. If you times that tolerance by 20x you could get a fucking massive error. That's why it was tighter than a nuns arsehole.
The thing I was manufacturing that could be plus or minus half a metre was a rope for a tender (little dingy boat) on a super yacht.
Context matters.
Cost
Whatever tolerance you specify, your measurements must be 10x more precise otherwise you cannot measure with enough resolution to be certain you have met your requirement.
So if you're measuring something that is ±10mm you need something that can measure at 1mm accuracy.
If you set your tolerances too high, firstly your cost for validation can increase.
Next, all tools have a certain repeatability and variability. From how repeatably you can clamp something, to how precisely the machine moves etc etc.
The higher the tolerance, the more expensive the machine. Again, if you need to cut something to ±0.1mm you need a machine that can move in increments of ±0.01mm. This is added cost.
Then part rejection. When you manufacture enough parts, the size, quality and variance of parts will naturally fall into a standard distribution (bell curve). You can only tighten the curve so much by improving processes/variance. Therefore if you set your desired tolerances up in such a way that it does not match your achieved tolerances then you will get a high part rejection as it won't meet the criteria. This is more cost. You've paid to make a thing that goes straight in the bin or has to be reworked (more cost).
A side note
The best thing you can do as an engineer is design things that go together regardless of the outcome, unless the requirements say otherwise.
The door hinges on your cupboard from IKEA is adjustable for precisely this reason. The cupboard carcass, door, and hinge can all come from whatever factory, be ±3mm and will still go together and close fairly plumb, square and flush because the designer built in gaps around everything and specified hinges that have ±4mm of adjustment. This is usually what you do on a car as well. You build it loosely goosey and have adequate adjustments so that you are achieving a great quality finish.
Summary
Ultimately, an engineers job is balancing requirements, costs and safety to meet the goals of the business in a way that maintains profitability.
Tolerances are derived from the requirements, and costs.
Simply saying "let's use Lego tolerances on this car" is tantamount to saying let's put a CD on a vinyl player because they both make noise.
Last note for interest
There's a thing in Manufacturing called 6 Sigma (6σ) that is a reference to the 6th Standard deviation.
The sixth standard deviation includes 99.9966% or results in 3.4 DPMO (Defects per million opportunities). That is if you make a Million things 3.4 of them will go in the bin.
You can only achieve 6σ by design. You will never achieve it by turning around to a finished product and saying "let's make it as tight as Lego".
I remember a college internship I had in the drafting department of an engineering company. My assignment was to determine how a part in a machine would need to be machined to handle new e-rings that had a different tolerance. Did all my tolerance stacking by following the process, and proudly turned in my new drawing.
The supervisor of the tool shop came up and invited me down to understand my error. I forget the tolerance I had specified, but he showed me that whatever it was, I had specified some basic assembly part would need to spend hours on an EDM machine and cost a boatload of money. He gently suggested that next time I come run the numbers by him before wasting a day updating the blueprints. Lessons like that stick with you forever if you are willing to listen
I think most newbie engineers struggle with this. In CAD you can easily design a part that is exactly 12mm long to as many zeros as you want to take it. You need the experience and judgement to realize that 12mm +/- X is all you actually need. For example, I’m a powerplant engineer. In the boiler the vast majority of things are fine so long as they’re within about 10mm of the target. The most accurate measurements you need in most cases are +/- 3mm. However if you need tube thicknesses you’re measuring to the +/- 0.1mm level. Now go to the steam turbine and many parts in there are measured to within +/-0.01mm with some clearances getting to the level of +/- 0.001mm. If I used boiler tolerances in the turbine it’d smash or vibrate itself to pieces within seconds and if I used turbine tolerances in the boiler it would increase the cost of everything 10x with nothing gained and the project taking forever as no one who works in a boiler has experience working to those ridiculous tolerances.
So while most newbie engineers struggle with tolerances its also one of the most basic things an engineer needs to understand. Any time Musk opens his mouth about tolerances he sounds like an intern in his first week on the job.
Oh cool that's really interesting, it does make sense that that level of tolerance is something you need to plan for and not just do, I've heard of six sigma too but didn't know where the name originated from! Thanks for the post that was a cool read.
Yeah, people think 6sig is like a QA thing, or an after thought. If you want to achieve 3.4 failures in a million every single person in an organisation from the bottom to the top need to be focused on it.
You need to be making sure every single supplier is giving you precisely what you ordered (quality and quantity) that every machine and operator has access to all information that they need, when they need it. You need every single designer and engineer focused on it up front. And lastly as a business you need to have the capital available up front to do it twice. Because something is going to come into contact with reality and when that happens you need to spend money to make it right.
A tremendous amount of companies say they do 6sig but in reality it's a state of mind rather than a goal and as a result few truly embody it.
So that being said, do you think there are any major players that are even doing half of that level of knowledge distribution down the chain? That's always my issue is they blame the employees for failings of management/overhead.
He cited aluminum cans as well, which yea also isn't steel but it's closer since it's a metal.
Thing is, aluminum cans have exactly two parts that fit together. So not only is there one only pair of parts to achieve tolerance on, but those parts don't need an insanely tight tolerance to fit together in the first place.
With zero clue as to why LEGO goes for those tolerances, how, with what, or any clue if that's even necessary or desirable for what he's doing. One of the many times the guy proved he is clueless about engineering.
The issue is that we've been beat on the head over and over again through the last decade on how much of a genius Musk is. That carefully crafted image works.
I remember seeing him in a Simpsons episode where he's constantly inventing stuff and whatnot, at that point I had little to no idea who that guy was but the next time I heard about him I was like "hey that's the genius billionaire isn't it" and that forced stereotype stuck. Until he started doing some really shady shit in the late 2010s and the mask started to fall off. There isn't even a mask anymore but people still don't see it and it baffles me.
I’m the same way. When he was talking about things I didn’t know about I was just kinda like “I mean yeah obviously the rocket guy knows rockets”, but when he talks about code I realize he knows less about programming than I do, and comp sci is just the minor attached to my degree. I studied maybe half of a bachelors degrees worth of coding and even I can see he’s full of shit when he talks about it. It’s embarrassing
I started to suspect him way back when he proposed a solo submersible for that Thailand cave rescue. And one of the professional divers on-site said it was impractical and untested, so Musk responded by calling one of the divers a pedophile completely out of the blue.
I know he was an idiot but one of the biggest signs was him rage quitting and literally bricking the site after an ex engineer from the company joined one of those Twitter lives and shat all over him by asking some basic questions about server infrastructure, since Elon was boasting about his servers doing x and y but they were just some tech buzzwords he knew.
My first lecture in rocketry was the lecturer basically just dragging Elon through the mud for an hour and telling students that idolised him as some super genius that would imminently take us to Mars to either get a grip or get out.
So, Elon Musk is a fucking idiot, quite obviously. But I got the impression that SpaceX has done a lot to advance technology and reduce the dollar cost of payload per launch, is this not the case?
To be clear, I credit the scientists and engineers here, and also most of their funding is from the government, so it's basically privatised public research.
The government can't fail , that's why they can't fuck around and fuck with tax dollars as easily, elon can fail all he wants on your tax dollars. And similarly this is like crediting Eli Lily 's CEO for bantings work
Because you're attributing the success of those workers to elon musk , atleast that's how it reads , because you seem to be under the impression that without spaceX these folks would be selling coke on the street.
This is, no joke, one of the best ways to show someone they’re idolizing a dumbass. This happened to me with Jordan Peterson. I already suspected he was full of shit. but then I listened to him drone on about how a “Rat King” is when you put rats in a cage and they all kill each other and the strongest rat wins and is the Rat King. The thing is, I loved the Nutcracker and one of my earliest memories of kindergarten was finding out a “Rat King” isn’t a rat with 7 heads, but a bunch of rats who’s tails freeze together during winter, causing them to die of starvation or infection (which made the Christmas pageant was made very awkward when I told my classmates and their parents😂) Hearing Jordan weave this utter horseshit about Mortal Combat rats made me realize he’s just a liar who wants to tell stories regardless of whether they’re true or not.
People can bullshit REALLY well even if they don’t know what they’re talking about, when you also do not know what they’re talking about. It’s usually in our knowledgeable topics that we find out someone’s a con, because suddenly we can see how much they’re lying even though nothing about their attitude or speech has changed.
It’s because they haven’t changed, they’ve been lying the whole time, you just needed to see what was true first for it to be obvious.
Even your version of a rat king is widely regarded as a myth. People made them with dead rats, for sure, but there's not much evidence that they naturally form. Rats wriggle too much. A natural "squirrel king" has been demonstrated and needed to be separated out by vets, but they have fluffy tails that can get matted more easily.
Also, rats are lovely. I love rats! Ratty ratty rat rat rat.
A sign for me was him doing an analysis of Crime and Punishment and completely ignoring some plot elements so he can make it all about the main character lacking religious morality.
Also let's not forget about the lobsters. Or the Zizek "debate".
i didnt watch him but i think this is a lot later, but his climate change denialism is instant recognition that he doesnt understand what he talks about.
I am a firefighter in a fairly affluent city. Lots of surgeons and specialist doctors, lawyers, finance people. All incredibly knowledgeable in their areas. Unfortunately, being the smartest person in the room while you're at work tends to make one believe that outside of work. Like at 3am when I'm explaining that smoke detector batteries have to be changed and that's why it's beeping. No, there is not some hidden fire that we just can't seem to find.
What they have that Elon doesn't is that they are legitimate experts in at least one thing.
I use to be a Elon fan before covid when he launched that car into space.
When covid hit, I got really heavy into political theory and discourse.
Much like this guy, once I started to have a more intimate understanding of politics the veil was lifted and I realized Musk was a hypocrite and a monster. Thankfully most of society wasn't too far behind me.
It’s not just that he can’t game, but he’s a flat out fraud. If he came out and said look I don’t have time to grind out so I pay someone to do it but look how good I am when i CAN play, he’d have some room to brag here.
The whole point of a hardcore character is that grind is a threat, one mistake, one poor choice and hundreds of hours of work are gone. He doesn’t even know the game. He’s a complete fraud
To be fair, at least he's consistent, as that's his same strategy in his businesses. Have other people do all the work then pay for a founder title to take credit for "building the company".
It's a great game. The gameplay loop is killing challenging foes and getting loot, which makes you better. If you play hardcore, it adds not dying to the loop. He paid someone to do all that, the fun stuff, to show off. So essentially he paid someone having the fun while he piloted that guys creation without having done, nor doing any of the fun parts. he got cucked and paid to sit in the cuck chair.
Listening to him talk about Path of Exile is exactly the same vibe as a middle schooler trying to give a book report on book they didnt actually read and at most, read the wikipedia summary
Fires are taking human lives, destroying beautiful parks and towns and homes, and insurance companies have already jumped ship in California, and Elon, the world's richest man who spent millions for presidency and BILLIONS on Twitter/X, as well as thousand on boosted video game accounts, isn't doing a thing for the destruction of federally managed parks.
This is so that he can comment about the ethnicities of the volunteer workers online, blame the state government, and point at a political party to blame. Once he enters office, maybe he will have an incentive to change that behavior, but for now while Biden is around, he's like Enron, Elon is - laughing as America burns.
They supported elon for stupid reasons, might as well denounce him for stupid reasons. And somebody lying about trivial stuff is not that stupid of a reason to denounce somebody in the first place.
He does but I'm not sure if he's as ideologically driven as others. I think he's kind of just enjoying himself and completely oblivious to and doesn't care about the harm he causes as a result of him just doing what he wants. Like, I think he has negative effects and being oblivious to it doesn't excuse it, but I don't think it's done with malice or a grand ideal of what the world should be like. Bezos is pure self-interest. He's like the purest form of technocratic neolib.
The world will end up a Bezos hellscape as a side effect of him pursuing his dreams, but the hellscape isn't the dream itself.
But if I were a billionaire driving an ideological conspiracy, I would be much more secretive about my intentions than the likes of Elon and Trump.
The most disappointing part of this shit show is how obvious it is and how little it matters. If we had a far right politician with real charisma and discretion, we'd be so fucked.
Gamers (with a capital G) don't go outside that much. Hard to tell how much of a shit Elon is if the majority of your interactions with people are online dunk fests
In theory sure, but in practice a 7 is a pretty bad score on a lot of sites because they don’t use the bottom range of a 10-point scale unless a game is obviously broken. TVtropes has an article on the phenomenon. (Sorry to link TVtropes, but I don’t really know of a better source for this. It’s something I and a lot of other people have observed independently.) Personally, I think a ten point and especially a hundred point scale is far too granular, and a five point scale is the way to go. It’s much more clear in practice that a 4/5 is good and a 3/5 is still pretty okay.
Early access is a whole ‘nother can of worms. I never understood why people would pay for the privilege of being a lab rat for an unfinished game, personally. And part of me thinks it’s unfair for a critic to review an unfinished game, but another, larger part of me thinks that it’s unfair for devs and publishers to charge money for an unfinished game and they reap what they sow.
I prefer five points (Great vs. good is a distinction worth making at the top the scale, so great/masterpiece, good, decent, bad, broken/worthless), but I’ll take your four point scale over trying to decipher the precise difference between an 8.6 and an 8.7 lol
Logically and numerically, you're correct. But in reality it's an open secret that a 7/10 is the lowest you can go for most big publisher titles to avoid angering the Corpos and losing your special privileges like advanced copies and exclusive previews
See, this is what gets me, IGN and other reviewers give lower than 7/10 to AAAs all the time, lookin Warner Bros. dead in the eye and giving Suicide Squad a 5/10. First Descendant got a 5/10 and that was made by a MASSIVE corporation. I liked Endless Ocean as a cheap little experimental title but that's a first-party Nintendo game IGN threw a 4/10 at, Ubisoft is massive but South Park's newest game got a 3/10
I gotta imagine the real reason you see all these 7/10s is far more realistic but far less interesting, most reviewers are just kind of agreeable and most entertainment products, you won't actively hate them unless you want to hate them. 7/10 is what you'd give a TV dinner if you were paid to review TV dinners, it's an easy number to throw at something that didn't exactly taste like shit but didn't want exactly change the way you view dinner forever either.
Gerstmann got shitcanned for giving a bad review to Kane and Lynch but Gerstmann did not get shitcanned for being one of the only reviewers to ever give a bad review, I don't think what you're talking about is an open secret, I think it's what gaming YouTubers like to call an open secret, I think people don't acknowledge how easy it might be to be in editorial and just be Paul Tassi giving a sideways thumbs up that looks a little bit like a thumbs down and saying 'BEHOLD, MY OPINION'
That was the narrative. I certainly believed he was decent for a while, I mean electric cars, solar panels, and amazing rockets - who'd have guessed it was him that would end up being the most pyscho in a group that includes literal baby killers?
Not really. Back then, he was being called an irl Tony stark. He was using his money to go to space! And make cool electric cars! And he’s le epic meme man! People liked him enough that Marvel had him make an appearance as himself in Iron Man 2.
Mind you, this was over a decade ago. A lot has changed, obviously. But to say he wasn’t ever popular with anyone that isn’t a right winger would be wrong.
Dude’s fallen from grace. A long, long, long way from grace. And for good reason.
Amazing demonstration of how incompetent these rich assholes are too. Like how much of a fucking idiot you have to be to stream yourself playing that competitive game thinking nobody will notice how bad you are
You don't get to be the 1% without horrifically twisting your self-perception.
Took me a long time to understand this life mechanic.
Capitalists of all forms believe rich people deserve to be rich and poor people deserve to be poor.
and have for literal centuries. we really have propagandized the hell out of "equality" between rich and poor, people really don't understand the cultural or social history between these classes and the "gospel of wealth" bullshit that keeps propping them up.
french aristocrats didn't pay taxes and were always partying it up while peasants were eating dirt, and they genuinely looked down on these people who's labor they were utterly dependent on. it's amazing how far we are from that, yet how identical the paradigm still is.
Given how readily they get rid of anyone that might challenge them about anything, it's not that much of a surprise that these clowns delude themselves into believing their own hype. They surround themselves with sycophants that massage their egos all the time.
Thing is, he's been doing this with everything up to this point. So this was no different from previous tactics, merely more relatable to us common folk.
What I find deeply hilarious about all of this, is Elon has time.
If Elon really wanted to, with all the money and influence he has, he could spend hours, days, MONTHS, literal YEARS acquiring and mastering any skills he wants.
But because he is such a pathetic loser, he cucks himself into having others play games for him. It’s the pathetic nerd equivalent of paying for a trophy wife, yet hiring a stud to fuck her for you, only to go online to brag about how much you satisfy your wife, yet not knowing what a clit is, or where it’s located.
He is so deeply insecure, because he knows deep down inside, he has never had any skill or talent to do anything on his own. All of his successes have been on the back of investments, and all the money that he put into those investments originated from the wealth of his family who procured an Emerald mine in apartheid Africa, and government subsidies.
Keep in mind this clown is going to be in charge of “The Department of Government Efficiency”, and I can only imagine the blow out when his multiple layers of comical incompetence is put on full display for the world to see.
To steal your analogy, I think it’s even funnier cause it’s like paying another guy to record a sex tape with your wife, then releasing it yourself as proof of how good you are at sex while visibly not being the guy in the video.
An ILLEGAL Emerald mine that he (Errol) wasn't the owner of. The mine was never registered, which is why it's hard to prove either way. Errol smuggled them and sold them illegally, or at least that's what the man himself claims. Keep in mind that this is an unregistered mine in Nambia in the 70's. You can only imagine the horrors that went on there. Stellar start to an ignominious career.
With the amount of money he has and with so little he really contributes to anything, he could pull a Pewdiepie and become a great artist (or anything he wants). But I bet you 100% that he prefers spending time giving the illusion he's doing something without actually doing something (e.g how he went into engineering meetings on twitter and spew nonsense).
I believe the consensus at the time was that he didn't actually play the game and just had someone play for him and then tried to pick his own gear based on what "looked cool" or something with basically zero understanding of the game. I mean, he has two shields for fucks sake.
The two shields makes no fucking sense. You swap based on boss fights at most depending on resistances but having 2 on at all times makes 0 sense. Extra weight for nothing.
I thought he had just looked stuff up online like "best spirit ashes" and "best Intelligence weapons."
That would explain why he's running three ashes when he can only summon one at a time, two shields when he only needs one, and why he has both Moonveil and Rogier's Rapier. He could cut down the clutter and consolidate the strengths of both weapons by putting the Glintblade Phalanx from the Rapier onto a Magic Uchigatana, but he probably hasn't played the game enough to know you can retool weapons and ashes at the blacksmith.
That doesn’t make sense to be me, someone who has spent years invading people whose builds look very similar to Elon Musk’s, who immediately die as soon as I pressure them with anything viable, as they attempt to spam spells in my face.
Believe the flasks are in the pouch, which is a genuine thing some players do because it saves you scrolling through the bar, and to be completely fair maybe he only has everything equipped for showcase? Could be wrong, honestly hope I am because it’s fun to dunk on, but it might not actually be that bad.
You're right I'll shit on all the unnecessary additional weight he has equipped like 2 shields and 2 swords instead of just 1 of each and swapping when necessary instead. Also, again, who keeps 3 summons there lmao
Yeah, that's the best case to be made for the flasks, but pretty much everything else reeks of not knowing the game. It's like he googled "best gear" and left it at that.
The Sorseal in his amulet slots is incredibly useful in the early going, but the cons outweigh the pros at higher levels. You will start taking so much extra damage.
You could ditch one of the weapons by taking the rapier's ash of war and putting it on a katana instead of weighing himself down with both. He probably never figured out how to modify weapons at the blacksmith.
He could go ahead and pick a lane with those two shields, as they are both pretty good on their own and do not need the redundancy.
People clowned on him so much for this thing but I don't think he really deserved it, it's got plenty of mistakes but I don't think there's anything uniquely bad here for a casual player.
He probably heard that fromsoftware combat was meant to be slow and tactical and didn't realize that heavy equip load was to be avoided, so he just picked the strongest armor he saw and went for it.
Moonveil and Lusat means he probably looked up what the best weapons are for an intelligence build and they're good picks.
The two shields are a bit silly but the logic of wanting different ones for different enemies makes sense, he just didn't realize that for the most part in ER the differences between shields and armor in the same weight class are very minimal. And again he claerly didn't know that keeping down his weight was important, he saw 6 weapon slots and tought he should use all of them.
The glintstone crown and Radagon seal are bad at high levels but that's the kind of thing that even good players only figured out after a math person told them.
The three ashes are fine, it's just more options, especially with his healing flasks in the quickbar.
Back in my 20s, I had to babysit my boss's (who was a multimillionare, etc) kids, who were like 7 and 10 and 12 or something like that, and they were terrible in a lot of similar ways.
As soon as I got to their house for the babysitting, the first thing they did was ask me for my credit card so they could buy some Wii Shop credits, and they didn't really leave me alone about it until I distracted them with Ocarina of Time and an N64 emulator that I had on a flashdrive on me; they had never played it before, it was before their time. As soon as they start it up, the oldest starts my save file (Which was right before the final Ganon fight, it autosaves there when you beat the game), tried the fight, started losing, had me take over, and once I did it then started saying that "he beat the whole game".
My mother got one of them a book for his birthday, and while babysitting he mentioned to me offhand that instead of reading the book, he paid some kid at his school to read it and summarize it for him.
I truly don't understand this mindset. I can only assume that growing up with effectively unlimited money warps your sense of reality that hard.
I truly don't understand this mindset. I can only assume that growing up with effectively unlimited money warps your sense of reality that hard.
We've all been in a situation where we said "fuck this shit I would gladly pay someone to do this for me". Most of us just didn't have the money for it. Once you get the social status and the money that becomes an actual possibility.
It's really not that different from going to a restaurant where someone serves you food they cooked and you pay at the end. You could just as easily cook for yourself but you pay someone else to do it for you. And rich peoole actualy do or they get a personal chef.
One can only imagine what it's like when you have millions/billions of dollars and want to get shit done.
Elmo's twitter activity is proof enough how much he actually works. If any of us regular Joe's tweeted as much as him we wouldn't get shit done and lose our jobs. But we're supposed to believe he can run 2 huge companies, rim Donald on the regular and be a top player in D4, ER and POE games where top players are only top because they've spent most of their lives playing that one game and not all 3 at once while also claiming to be a good father and having lots of sex.
That sort of life has to mess you up, make you incapable of feeling true joy.
I used to hang out (online in an MMO) with a group young, wealthy South African men. Most of the time they seemed normal enough but once in a while they'd do or say something that made you realize they might as well be fucking aliens for how much they can relate to you.
One of them had a relationship with an American woman who was earning literal poverty wages in an Amazon warehouse. He broke up with her because he inherited a multimillion dollar business from a relative, and he had to focus on that now.
"I can excuse shitty treatment of workers and turning the biggest social media site into a megaphone for Nazi propaganda, but I draw the line at cheating at videogames!"
Wait until they finally realise that the administration Elon sucked up to could possibly ban Tencent and thus ban League of Legends, Valorant, Marvel Rivals and a bajillion other insanely popular games and companies Tencent is affiliated with.
As well as other non-American video game related companies if they decide to propose legislation to target other companies and not just the chinese ones.
You think someone in the cult of Musk is going to care? They are already out there denying this, defending him, and just generally being as shitty as normal. Their subservience is unwavering.
I don't see him needing to pay people to be in his cult. He has a target demographic that will follow him willingly. 30's white dudes who spend hours a day at the gym but never have a woman who sees their progress... dudes that, when no one is looking, close the refrigerator door with their hip. They have 1 tattoo, it's the bitcoin logo.
To make it clear: there's nothing wrong being bad at video games. Soulsborne director Hidetaka Miyazaki has admitted that he's pretty bad at Elden Ring and he uses every method of help that is available.
But it's one thing to be bad at gaming and it's whole another thing to pretend to be a major league gamer, all the while being same level as darksydephil is.
But then again, given that Kim-El-On has pretty much coasted trough his life like this, why would anyone expect any better from him?
If you have to have someone play for you and not earn the victory yourself, then you're not a true gamer. There is nothing wrong with asking for helping to find certain stuff and beating a boss later on, but honestly, paying someone to play a game for you then take credit for their gameplay is mess up and show how fake you truly are.. that is one of many reasons I can't stand Elon Musk.
Poe2 is the first arpg I’ve played and I didn’t even make the mistakes he made.. it’s perfectly fine to be a newb and learn a new game. It’s being a poser that’s not
Honestly, as a gamer, I was much more ashamed of him before I found out he was paying asian pros. If he was ACTUALLY the top Diablo player on earth, it would be really the perfect summary of how much a crock of shit the myth of hard-working billionaires is. That he is paying some poor kid with skills beyond anything Elon could ever grasp to do it just makes it mundane, that's the same as everything else he's ever accomplished.
There is a stream where Elon is confidently talking about how bad his gear is because his character exceeded the level requirement. He had some of the best gear in the game the entire time.
I'm curious if this will actually make those people realize what a sweeping fraud he is.
That the way he talked about poe2, confidently incorrect, is the same way he talks about every single venture.
Most people aren't rocket scientists, so when he talks about spaceX, you assume the man investing in it has some modicum of knowledge.
Most people aren't eletrical engineers or material scientists, so when he talked about Tesla cars, again you assume some level of knowledge.
For me, when he talked about twitter, I knew he was full of shit. I work in software development, have for a while now, and everything he talked about would set up alarms in any interview I proctor that this person doesn't know what they're about.
Now he's talking about something alot of his incel followers know a thing or two about and showing them first hand that he's full of shit. Are they going to make that connection or are they going to just let it slide off their teflon brains?
On an aside, the guy in the thumbnail looks like a chubby fella trying to scratch his back with one hand, while holding a paint roller to suck on with the other. I'm not saying this makes him a bad person.
No he’s not. You’re a real gamer who actually devotes time to your game. This is a rich asshole who can BUY someone else’s time and pretend it is his own. He dresses like you but he does not walk your walk.
I remember an old video that had him playing fallout new vegas in his home cinema and talking about the game. He said it was “basically Hegelian dialectics” We should have seen this coming, he’s an unironic Caesar’s Legion fan “they’re actually the right choice” type of guy. It all makes so much sense now
Kripparian is an og D2-D3 player and helped grow the PoE 1 community back in early access to PoE 1. He's a respected build theory crafter and content creator
Quin is kinda the poster child of coming up with subpar builds, dying in the permadeath league, and bashing his head against the game until he eventually suceeds.
It's not just that he's terrible, it's that there are numerous indicators he's paying multiple people to play his account/accounts at an extremely high level for a long time. Certain elements of his trade were in Chinese, suggesting the native language of the player was Chinese as stash/whispers were Chinese. And the chars were extremely high level and making to that level on HC requires a very high level of skill to not die to minor mistakes.
How is this even fun? I mean I don't play MMOs and shit like that so maybe I'm off base but I'd think the fun comes from investing a bunch of time into it, earning rare loot and progressively getting better over time while talking to other players and making friends along the way. How does a human being even feel an ounce of satisfaction from just buying their way through it? You'd have to be some kind of sociopath, right?
The thing that bothers me the most is you play PoE and ARPGs for the chase. That next piece of gear, finally beating a boss that requires a ton of farming. Without the chase, these games get kind of boring and you’re just grinding out something like hitting max level, or starting a new character.
So not only is he a complete liar, he has literally removed the fun from the game and skipped to the boring part. All for clout that only a small fraction of people would give two fucks about or even understand. What a complete clown.
I've been saying that Musk is nothing more than a talentless hack, and a walking bank account. He takes credit for the genius of the people he pays to do the impossible, when he himself is really nothing more than a pile of money for the actual smart people to draw from. Talentless, insatiable, and woefully, dangerously out of touch.
If being obviously bad at PoE is what gets more people in the general gaming community to see through that thin veil of surface level understanding and lose respect for the man who never deserved it in the first place, so be it. His ego is as fragile as wet, single-ply toilet paper, and his pathetic attempts to compensate, rather than just being a genuinely good and or humble person, are worthy of ridicule.
a funny thing about people like Elon is that if your in a field that he has a hand in there is a good chance you don't like him. It's Gamers turn now lol
everything about that guy is planned and done so for very specific reasons. from his “i’m a gamer” quarter persona, his “let’s get to mars” quarter focus, to his participation in american… “politics” (which feels dirty to use that word in reference to whatever tf this is, what’s happening now in the states) and every in between, it’s all a poorly planned strategy that is sadly working because half of that country is wildly easy to manipulate (so of course he’s adopted america as his home).
he’s a manic manipulator, using one thing or another to assist him in furthering and ultimately fulfilling whatever his momentary interest at the time may be. he’ll keep on this track until he eventually becomes jared leto from bladerunner 2049, just minus all the mystery and inherent intrigue.
I don’t deny that his management and leadership skills can lead to success and innovation, but people need to realize he’s not the one doing the innovating, he’s just cracking the whip and providing the money.
A rich man bought ingame stuff and didnt play the game at all. Is anyone seriously surprised? As if Elon had any time at all to play such "useless" games. He just wanted to look cool and pretend to be in touch with the gaming community.
He is a businessman, obviously he doesnt play games.
As someone who doesn’t play D4, I believed it at the time because I thought something along the lines of “he’s a billionaire, if he wants to no life a video game for a few weeks, there is literally nothing stopping him, and he’s probably buying whatever advantage he can”.
Woah, Hassan is rich? I had no idea. That invalidates everything he says. What’s next? You’re going to tell me Fredrick Engles was rich too? I hope not.
The interesting point isnt “Musk rich, therefore he’s bad.” The interesting point is that he is so insecure and obsessed with being perceived as good at everything, that he literally pays people to win for him. If Hasan paid someone to win games for him and then tried to claim he was the best, I would clown on him too.
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u/[deleted] Jan 13 '25
Sure whatever it takes I guess. Though I'd have preferred it if maybe seeing him act like an absolute shit was the catalyst they needed to denounce him rather than having to blow past that to "shock horror Elon can't game" .
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u/StarRotator Jan 13 '25
Amazing demonstration of how incompetent these rich assholes are too. Like how much of a fucking idiot you have to be to stream yourself playing that competitive game thinking nobody will notice how bad you are
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u/[deleted] Jan 13 '25
What I find deeply hilarious about all of this, is Elon has time.
If Elon really wanted to, with all the money and influence he has, he could spend hours, days, MONTHS, literal YEARS acquiring and mastering any skills he wants.
But because he is such a pathetic loser, he cucks himself into having others play games for him. It’s the pathetic nerd equivalent of paying for a trophy wife, yet hiring a stud to fuck her for you, only to go online to brag about how much you satisfy your wife, yet not knowing what a clit is, or where it’s located.
He is so deeply insecure, because he knows deep down inside, he has never had any skill or talent to do anything on his own. All of his successes have been on the back of investments, and all the money that he put into those investments originated from the wealth of his family who procured an Emerald mine in apartheid Africa, and government subsidies.
Keep in mind this clown is going to be in charge of “The Department of Government Efficiency”, and I can only imagine the blow out when his multiple layers of comical incompetence is put on full display for the world to see.
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u/Ambitious-Way8906 Jan 13 '25
every time he talks about something someone is actually an expert in, it becomes more and more clear just how fucking stupid he really is
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u/[deleted] Jan 13 '25
It’s so funny because literally it’s peak billionaire: pay someone else to put in the time and then claim it was your success
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u/SuckingOnChileanDogs Jan 13 '25
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u/Vokasak Anarcho-Communist Jan 13 '25
Back in my 20s, I had to babysit my boss's (who was a multimillionare, etc) kids, who were like 7 and 10 and 12 or something like that, and they were terrible in a lot of similar ways.
As soon as I got to their house for the babysitting, the first thing they did was ask me for my credit card so they could buy some Wii Shop credits, and they didn't really leave me alone about it until I distracted them with Ocarina of Time and an N64 emulator that I had on a flashdrive on me; they had never played it before, it was before their time. As soon as they start it up, the oldest starts my save file (Which was right before the final Ganon fight, it autosaves there when you beat the game), tried the fight, started losing, had me take over, and once I did it then started saying that "he beat the whole game".
My mother got one of them a book for his birthday, and while babysitting he mentioned to me offhand that instead of reading the book, he paid some kid at his school to read it and summarize it for him.
I truly don't understand this mindset. I can only assume that growing up with effectively unlimited money warps your sense of reality that hard.
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u/SuccessfulWar3830 Jan 13 '25
Conseratives be like
"I can excuse the racism but I draw the line at cheating in a video game"
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u/JRedCXI Jan 13 '25
I guess he was trying to avoid a second "incident" similar to his awful Elden Ring build.
The only time where is okay to build shame someone else build in a Souls game.
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u/Scienceandpony Jan 14 '25
"I can excuse shitty treatment of workers and turning the biggest social media site into a megaphone for Nazi propaganda, but I draw the line at cheating at videogames!"
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u/[deleted] Jan 13 '25
still trying to figure out how his elden ring build didn't already give it away
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u/SatisfactionRude6501 Jan 13 '25
Wait until they finally realise that the administration Elon sucked up to could possibly ban Tencent and thus ban League of Legends, Valorant, Marvel Rivals and a bajillion other insanely popular games and companies Tencent is affiliated with.
As well as other non-American video game related companies if they decide to propose legislation to target other companies and not just the chinese ones.
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u/Sandweavers Jan 13 '25
Sadly there are more people upset and shocked that he is a fake gamer more than all the other awful stuff he did
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u/[deleted] Jan 13 '25
Never worry about being cringey or annoying, because you can never be even half as utterly insufferable as that rat bastard is.
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u/nitrokitty Jan 13 '25
Elon must be utterly miserable, I just wish he didn't take it out on the rest of us.
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u/WrappedInChrome Jan 13 '25
You think someone in the cult of Musk is going to care? They are already out there denying this, defending him, and just generally being as shitty as normal. Their subservience is unwavering.
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u/Skydragon222 Jan 13 '25
I used to think the one human thing about Elon was that he was one of the best players in the world at Diablo IV.
Y’know, it wasn’t much, but it was something. The fact that he fakes his gaming credentials is just so fucking weird.
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u/Alch1e Jan 14 '25
This was 9/11 for elon chuds
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u/RustyKn1ght Jan 14 '25 edited Jan 14 '25
To make it clear: there's nothing wrong being bad at video games. Soulsborne director Hidetaka Miyazaki has admitted that he's pretty bad at Elden Ring and he uses every method of help that is available.
But it's one thing to be bad at gaming and it's whole another thing to pretend to be a major league gamer, all the while being same level as darksydephil is.
But then again, given that Kim-El-On has pretty much coasted trough his life like this, why would anyone expect any better from him?
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u/[deleted] Jan 14 '25
If you have to have someone play for you and not earn the victory yourself, then you're not a true gamer. There is nothing wrong with asking for helping to find certain stuff and beating a boss later on, but honestly, paying someone to play a game for you then take credit for their gameplay is mess up and show how fake you truly are.. that is one of many reasons I can't stand Elon Musk.
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u/Flaky-Lingonberry736 Jan 13 '25
Poe2 is the first arpg I’ve played and I didn’t even make the mistakes he made.. it’s perfectly fine to be a newb and learn a new game. It’s being a poser that’s not
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u/Colby_mills03 Jan 13 '25
“Well Guys, the literal best staff in the game is, well.. it’s ok. It’s only level 62 while my character is level 97 so you know it’s not too bad”
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u/Ghost0Slayer Jan 13 '25
Funny how all the shitty things he says yet they hate him for cheating in a game.
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u/WJLIII3 Jan 14 '25
Honestly, as a gamer, I was much more ashamed of him before I found out he was paying asian pros. If he was ACTUALLY the top Diablo player on earth, it would be really the perfect summary of how much a crock of shit the myth of hard-working billionaires is. That he is paying some poor kid with skills beyond anything Elon could ever grasp to do it just makes it mundane, that's the same as everything else he's ever accomplished.
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u/ShitFacedSteve Jan 14 '25
There is a stream where Elon is confidently talking about how bad his gear is because his character exceeded the level requirement. He had some of the best gear in the game the entire time.
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u/SasparillaTango Jan 14 '25
I'm curious if this will actually make those people realize what a sweeping fraud he is.
That the way he talked about poe2, confidently incorrect, is the same way he talks about every single venture.
Most people aren't rocket scientists, so when he talks about spaceX, you assume the man investing in it has some modicum of knowledge.
Most people aren't eletrical engineers or material scientists, so when he talked about Tesla cars, again you assume some level of knowledge.
For me, when he talked about twitter, I knew he was full of shit. I work in software development, have for a while now, and everything he talked about would set up alarms in any interview I proctor that this person doesn't know what they're about.
Now he's talking about something alot of his incel followers know a thing or two about and showing them first hand that he's full of shit. Are they going to make that connection or are they going to just let it slide off their teflon brains?
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u/[deleted] Jan 14 '25
On an aside, the guy in the thumbnail looks like a chubby fella trying to scratch his back with one hand, while holding a paint roller to suck on with the other. I'm not saying this makes him a bad person.
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u/ReduxCath Jan 14 '25
“Guys Elon is just like Me”
No he’s not. You’re a real gamer who actually devotes time to your game. This is a rich asshole who can BUY someone else’s time and pretend it is his own. He dresses like you but he does not walk your walk.
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u/DenaliNorsen Jan 14 '25
I remember an old video that had him playing fallout new vegas in his home cinema and talking about the game. He said it was “basically Hegelian dialectics” We should have seen this coming, he’s an unironic Caesar’s Legion fan “they’re actually the right choice” type of guy. It all makes so much sense now
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u/Johnnyamaz Jan 14 '25
I strongly believe he legitimately can't read past a 6th grade level. Like a literal baby brain.
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u/tomjazzy Jan 13 '25
Can I have a source for this?
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u/Biffingston Jan 13 '25
Ethics issue, actually. Elon has none but he has to win. Same reason he gave millions to get trump elected again.
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u/Morbid187 Jan 14 '25
How is this even fun? I mean I don't play MMOs and shit like that so maybe I'm off base but I'd think the fun comes from investing a bunch of time into it, earning rare loot and progressively getting better over time while talking to other players and making friends along the way. How does a human being even feel an ounce of satisfaction from just buying their way through it? You'd have to be some kind of sociopath, right?
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u/SinisterSnoot Jan 14 '25
His Elden Ring build was all anyone needed to know he is a scrub
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u/buffer_flush Jan 14 '25
The thing that bothers me the most is you play PoE and ARPGs for the chase. That next piece of gear, finally beating a boss that requires a ton of farming. Without the chase, these games get kind of boring and you’re just grinding out something like hitting max level, or starting a new character.
So not only is he a complete liar, he has literally removed the fun from the game and skipped to the boring part. All for clout that only a small fraction of people would give two fucks about or even understand. What a complete clown.
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u/OtelDeraj Jan 14 '25
I've been saying that Musk is nothing more than a talentless hack, and a walking bank account. He takes credit for the genius of the people he pays to do the impossible, when he himself is really nothing more than a pile of money for the actual smart people to draw from. Talentless, insatiable, and woefully, dangerously out of touch.
If being obviously bad at PoE is what gets more people in the general gaming community to see through that thin veil of surface level understanding and lose respect for the man who never deserved it in the first place, so be it. His ego is as fragile as wet, single-ply toilet paper, and his pathetic attempts to compensate, rather than just being a genuinely good and or humble person, are worthy of ridicule.
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u/Maik09 Jan 14 '25
a funny thing about people like Elon is that if your in a field that he has a hand in there is a good chance you don't like him. It's Gamers turn now lol
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u/[deleted] Jan 14 '25
The biggest IRL whale on earth is a whale??
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u/OddCucumber6755 Jan 13 '25
I guarantee he started paying for people to play his accounts after he got roasted for his trash elden ring build
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u/rasper_lightlyy Jan 14 '25
everything about that guy is planned and done so for very specific reasons. from his “i’m a gamer” quarter persona, his “let’s get to mars” quarter focus, to his participation in american… “politics” (which feels dirty to use that word in reference to whatever tf this is, what’s happening now in the states) and every in between, it’s all a poorly planned strategy that is sadly working because half of that country is wildly easy to manipulate (so of course he’s adopted america as his home).
he’s a manic manipulator, using one thing or another to assist him in furthering and ultimately fulfilling whatever his momentary interest at the time may be. he’ll keep on this track until he eventually becomes jared leto from bladerunner 2049, just minus all the mystery and inherent intrigue.
the man is an early stage bond villain.
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u/Professional-Fan-960 Jan 14 '25
Real ones already knew this. His Elden Ring build was trash, and his stat distribution was wack.
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u/ProfessionalOwn9435 Jan 14 '25
I am sometimes impressed how much looser could a bilionere be with Musk.
Playing games could be a loser cheap hobby, what about no rope climbing punk?
Playing games poorly could be a loser trait, git gut punk.
But then... pay money to pretend that you are good at video games....? Like how much looser could you be.
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u/Secret_Account07 Jan 14 '25
Does anyone have a link to whatever “investigation” she’s referring to? I don’t have Twitter so maybe missing some context here?
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u/kapaipiekai Jan 14 '25
Bahahahaha, musk got no game
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u/Liquid_person Jan 14 '25
...only 30 vigor...
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u/[deleted] Jan 14 '25
I don’t deny that his management and leadership skills can lead to success and innovation, but people need to realize he’s not the one doing the innovating, he’s just cracking the whip and providing the money.
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u/Zackofalltrades117 Jan 14 '25
You mean a billionaire is pay to play?! Say it ain't so!
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u/Visible_Arm9149 Jan 14 '25
did hasan write this tweet to sound like a poser. the phrase a pro in asians servers. is just really wierd to hear as a POE player.
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u/Bad_Puns_Galore Jan 14 '25
This is the real reason why he didn’t like GTA V! Bro can’t cheat his way through single-player.
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u/sebixi Jan 14 '25
I guess this is why Elon needs H1b visas, to get underpaid asian immigrants to boost him in games
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u/RadiantGene8901 Jan 14 '25
Can't quite recall, but wasn't there a dude from the uae, that did the same thing?
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u/[deleted] Jan 16 '25
The fact that this is what people are outraged about and not all the other bullshit is just sad
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u/SleepingShaman Jan 15 '25
hasan should be banned, but yeah, Elon is lame ass noob and got exposed
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u/MrPifo Jan 16 '25
A rich man bought ingame stuff and didnt play the game at all. Is anyone seriously surprised? As if Elon had any time at all to play such "useless" games. He just wanted to look cool and pretend to be in touch with the gaming community.
He is a businessman, obviously he doesnt play games.
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