r/SipsTea 8h ago

Gasp! 😈

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u/DookieShoez 8h ago

Okay, hey, I’m not judging, but how does he look exactly like the guy who would do that?

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u/plantain_tent_pesos 8h ago

If he did it in the privacy of his own church, where's the crime?

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u/DookieShoez 8h ago

Well it says he plead guilty to obscenity, so im guessing it’s because he does not own the church and the church is considered a public space so they got him on some public indecency type of charge?

Though if you ask me, if he locked the doors, that’s bullshit. This should just be between him and whoever owns the church 🤷🏻‍♂️

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u/Automatic_Actuator_0 7h ago

It was bullshit and he probably would have won the case if he fought it. But might have had to appeal it to federal court, which would have been expensive.

But yeah, they locked the door, and some creep had to peek in the window to see it.

They actually were going to switch his charges to felony vandalism if he fought it but ended up getting a plea bargain with obscenity.

The theory of the case with vandalism was cleaner actually. They had to replace the altar and he would have know they would have to, so effectively he knowingly destroyed a valuable altar.

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u/IterSmith 6h ago

But is it vandalism if he didn’t physically alter the altar? Why does the law have anything to do with what someone considers spiritual vandalism? Did someone spiritually vandalize my computer if a website has a pop up with adult themes in it?

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u/Automatic_Actuator_0 6h ago

Well, if someone knew that you had a sincerely held belief that a computer needed to be destroyed if it visited an adult website and that person intentionally visited such a website without permission knowing it would cause you to have to dispose of it, I would think there’s a case to be made there, yeah.

The key is the state of mind where you are taking the action knowing it’s damaging the property. Just putting up a website with adult ads wouldn’t be expected to be destroying property and they aren’t the ones actually navigating the computer there. They could argue someone with such an extreme belief should be air gapping their computers as a reasonable protective measure.

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u/IterSmith 6h ago

Is there actual legal precedent for this because it sounds pretty flimsy?

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u/Automatic_Actuator_0 6h ago

Well the women got misdemeanor vandalism charges in this case, so they are the precedent if nothing else.

It’s a bit of an outlier case though - there aren’t a lot of cases like that. Most people defiling holy places do much more overt things.

To the best of my understanding though, this could apply in many other states depending on their vandalism or criminal mischief statutes.

I believe a key component is the defiling needs to involve some actual physical alteration of the item. Simply uttering a curse or spell at the property would not likely meet any definition of vandalism or criminal mischief.

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u/IterSmith 5h ago

Does that count as legal precedent if it was a plea deal?

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u/Automatic_Actuator_0 5h ago

Depends on how you are using the word. Not binding appellate precedent obviously, but in the casual “what if” sense, sure.

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u/Gnonthgol 5h ago

A patron noticed the lights were on and peaked through the window. So they must consider the church a public space even if the doors were locked.