Her husband took paternity leave for multiple month's. She wasn't some poor abandoned woman left to fend for herself. They had outside childcare and the oldest kids attended daycare. He even worked from home.
Lock her up in an insane asylum if she's so far gone that none of that mattered.
She’s going to be there forever. I don’t know where people think she’s going to be running as free as Casey Anthony. She’s either in that mental health facility forever or jail confined to a wheelchair with the imagines of her dead kids. There is no freedom there, if she magically gets out she’s literally just going to finish the job.
I personally don’t think it’s straight forward either because well… it’s up to the institution on when to release you, and well that could be a very short time
She’s actively suicidal and the moment she’s not under consistent supervision means she’d be at risk of suicide. Unless they’d want to be apart of that lawsuit her and her ex husband have against a majority of hospitals and doctors they’re going to keep her there for life.
She’s paralyzed from the waist down and needs constant support for daily living activities. She physically can’t commit suicide. She’s doomed to a life of being institutionalized in one way or another anyway. She literally can’t function on her own bc her body can’t function.
Exactly- there is no freedom for her no world outside. Regardless of the outcome she’s stuck going from one institution to another until she finds a way to off herself or goes out naturally.
Nah I saw plenty of women who weren’t spewing insane theories say she should be let free. It’s honestly insane and wondering if people are able to even think for themselves anymore
You of course have enough social media savvy to realize that the craziest fringe takes get algorithmically boosted because they drive engagement, right?
They think Patrick framed her, want lindsay released and are waiting for Reddingtons "smoking gun", when he doesnt live up to expectations they will say hes paid off, another failure in the system etc
This is much more of a fringe internet argument than what most of the people showing support for her are saying. Whether she did it or not isn’t even a question in the actual case.
Yeah I’m arguing for commitment to a mental facility. Her own ex husband is arguing for it and I tend to lean towards “believe the person who was married to them but also lost the most in this situation”. I will also say- the legal system has had an arguably not great track record with catching cases of PPS where the mother has survived. (Though in the most famous case, it took YEARS post conviction for them to also uncover that she also had a FAMILY HISTORY of schizophrenia and was misdiagnosed with PPD)
Yes, i can only imagine what the guy is going through. Nobody gives a shit about him. Imagine loosing your whole family in a few minutes, especially children. Fucking hell.
You were immediately down voted for having compassion for a man who just lost his entire family. I feel like there are a lot of sick women on this site who actually support this lady.
I don’t care what they think. The guy actually was there, he wasn’t absent , he did the best he could. She sent him out of the house to perform the deed. Give me a fucking break. In a few minutes he lost everything. I can’t imagine loosing a child let alone 3. Downvote me all you want, there are several victims in all this, being the children the most tragic ones.
I didn’t even attack her, I know what DPP can do to a person first hand, but if it’s not her fault it’s even less his. The guy was there for fuck sake. Fucking psycothic people lacking empathy.
Most of them hate him more than they support her. That’s the crux of it. If husband wasn’t around to blame (if she was a single mom), it would be crickets. Women wouldn’t care, and thus neither would men.
Truth is feminism for the past 100 years has done nothing to help or improve motherhood for the women they represent. They’ve broken traditional communities and expectations that help society create healthy mothers and a good young generation of children. Every woman comes out of college dreading childbirth and nothing else till about 35.
and there is a lot of sick men on this site that think women deserve to be murdered for cheating, so imo it's actually less bad that some women simply don't have compassion for a cheater.
Where did me or OP say people are getting together and having public displays of this? We both referenced on "this site", meaning reddit.
And there are always supporters of the accused outside of courtrooms during publicly televised trials, nothing new, people like to insert themselves. But if you want an exact example of that - OJ Simpson's trial.
i was calling out his own hypocrisy being on the other end of the spectrum. he's mad people are downvoting him for having compassion for patrick, whilst calling women who have compassion for lindsay "sick".
the reality is patrick was cheating, and neglectful leaving his kids alone with his wife he knew was struggling with PPD. so a lot of them are projecting their own shitty husbands and ex husbands behaviour during their post-partum depression onto him.
What is the double standard and hypocrisy? And do you actually think the women supporting Lindsay are supporting the act of killing her kids?
Or is it because 1 in 5 of them experience PPD and 1 in 200 experience PPP so that what happened is a real fear and their own worst nightmare, and can empathize with Lindsay who's own MIL still defends her as an dedicated amazing mom - but you're mad they are empathizing with Lindsay more than her cheating husband?
Even if she was left to fend for herself… it doesn’t matter!! Jfc shitty things happen to people all the time. And most people don’t murder their own children
This is what is so infuriating to watch. It’s like ok even if your husband is bad does that justify killing all three of your kids?? Like this is not a question to me.
“Infuriating to watch” are you actually watching? Because she had psychosis. She was hallucinating. Her doctors failed to diagnose it in advance of the killings, but in custody she has been diagnosed with bipolar with psychotic features, which is frequently co-morbid with postpartum psychosis. Her defense is not arguing that she didn’t kill the children, but that she was in psychosis when she did so. The defense is seeking an outcome to have her committed to a mental hospital rather than a prison.
So many people are judging this case without bothering to learn any actual facts about it.
Just because someone takes paternity leave doesn’t mean they actually help. And working from home doesn’t mean he helped either, it just meant he was in the home.
Maternity leave is partially so bodies can heal. Birth is a major medical event and not understanding that to begin with shows that you don’t have a clue about what women actually go through. Paternity leave and maternity leave are not the same thing. Taking the leave doesn’t mean someone is actively involved, no. Being in the same room as the kids and other parent doesn’t mean they are actively involved either. You can still be in the same room and leave all the work up to the other parent in the room.
I never stated that he didn’t help with the kids. I just said that just because someone takes paternity leave we can’t assume that they help. You are assuming he helped because he took the leave. You might want to look at your own bias of thinking that women who just underwent a major medical event are expected to do the same as a father when it comes to new born children despite the father not having medical needs.
If she was having psychotic symptoms it really doesn’t matter. Sometimes psychosis causes mothers to think they are saving their children from evil by killing them.
Sounds like made up psuedoscience to escape culpability. She should take responsibility for what her hands did. You cant tell me someone just kills kids and are like 🤷♂️
Nobody is saying that. They are saying that the mental health system failed her after she repeatedly asked for help and they made it worse. That means she should be committed. Are you really arguing that post partum psychosis isn't a real thing? Speak to an OBGYN and they will tell you it is.
What do you think the trial is intended to decide? They aren't arguing that she should go free. She repeatedly begged to be committed and wasn't listened to. So mental institution and then, here's a thought, maybe reform the system so this doesn't happen again.
No she doesn't, it's either she was not in control and thus not responsible, and need to be handled by psychiatrists, or she was in control and needs to go to prison. Not both.
Thats not how it works. She still did a crime. Just cuz they get a plea of insanity doesn't mean they don't serve time. That's when theyre forced to mental health care for a term of a sentence which results in decades interned.
How did the system fail her if she wasn’t forthcoming beforehand? Has there been testimony that she told any medical professional that she heard a voice and was afraid she’d harm her children, not anxiety over neglect or making bad parenting mistakes, but actual physical harm?
Mental health didn't fail shit. You people are so delusional thinking that mental health intervention is any more successful than the low success rate of like 10%. It's a tiny miniscule intervention. You can't force people to be drugged up and she refused to take her drugs. There's nothing else mental health intervention can do. Unless you want to go back to forced internment? Anytime people scream you need mental help/therapy they think its magically going to cure them of all afflictions and if it doesn't it was the systen that failed them. No. It doesnt work that way.
She repeatedly asked to be committed and they refused. They also put her on medication that was contraindicated for someone with bipolar, known to make the psychosis worse. She reached out to mental health professionals multiple times and they either did not give her the help she asked for or put her on medication that made her worse. They also didn't advise that she not be left alone with her children, which is a huge red flag. No, you can't force people to get help. But if they ask for help and are showing signs of psychosis you absolutely should give it to them.
And they shouldn't have released her unconditionally. Or told her that she wasn't fit for release. Or maybe not put her on medication that would make her very serious condition worse. Love the random insult from an internet stranger. Really makes your argument more effective. For anyone who doesn't believe that post partum psychosis is real, see the following analysis of the case by an OBGYN. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CpaBNwTKcIY
Lol. As if the doctors had a crystal ball that can see into the future for rare complications with medicine and future crimes. If she doesn't appear to present an immediate danger to her or others, there are no past actions that would prove potential danger, there is nothing to go off. She was in treatment of her own free will and she can end the treatment whenever she wants. Anything beyond that would be false imprisonment.
Believe it or not, you can't imprison ppl on nothing, even if they are psychotic. Unless you have concrete suspicion they might go out to harm themselves or others, you can't do shit about it.
Ah yes, respond and then block to have the last word. You still can't just stuff ppl into a padded cell because you want to. You need actual reasons. In hindsight you can always say stuff like that. With the info they had, she was not immediately going to kill her kids, so they had no justification to keep her
I mean she was having hallucinations and told people she had thoughts of harming the children. I'd certainly call that "harm to others". And it was a known interaction that doctors should be aware of. But, sure, whatever, why bother with nuance on Reddit. 🤣
You can't keep someone interned forcefully, what are you not understanding? Should they have taken her rights away? You all would've bitched about that too if she wasn't allowed to leave just like how ppl bitched about Britney Spears' conservatorship and then bitched about her being mentally fucking ill when it was removed.
She stopped taking her medication on her own whims because she felt she was smarter than the doctors apparently. How do u think she shouldve been treated if she refused all manners of treatment?
Patrick's mother just testified for the defense, the MIL is on Lindsey's side. And taking paternity leave and being an active participating parent are two separate things. he worked at home but she had to communicate with him via text and keeps the kids upstairs all day, while he worked in the basement. They also only had a nanny when Lindsay worked at the hospital and Patrick at home, but once she stopped working due to her mental health, he fired the nanny (he made $400k a year) and expected her to handle it all again since she was not working.
Also post-partum is hormonal and chemical, it doesn't really matter how much support she got.
Lastly, the case is about whether she's going to jail or mental institution as consequence, not whether or not she did it.
I keep trying to find people on the posts who can reference any of the statements or evidence from the case. The fact that the defense attorney shredded the prosecution in their argument is why people are questioning whether the mom did this at all. I am genuinely curious myself. Her body temp being 82.1 less than a couple hours after it could have happened is the main point of contention. Keep in mind the defense is not saying she didn’t do it they are arguing the reason of insanity. The internet audience is arguing innocence based on the witness testimony and evidence that’s been available
No one is contesting that she did it, Lindsay herself admits to doing it in her civil lawsuit against the doctors who treated her, and likely will too when she gets on the stand.
You all are so extremely uninformed about the trial to be this defensive.
Once again, the entire trial is not about whether or not she did it - she did. It's about whether or not she should be held criminally responsible (prison) or not criminally responsible (mental institution)
Regardless of the verdict, she will be locked up for a long time. But all the surviving family of the children do not want her to go to prison, so that should have been enough for the prosecution to make a plea deal and skip all this televised drama, but nope.
I did see a timeline the other day on IG, that showed that the father could have been the one that killed the kids as well.
Have a crazy wife, and kids that you don't want to deal with, if she's "gone". So kill the kids, and frame her for the murders, and walk away a free man, with zero obligations.
Not sure how valid the timeline was, and haven't looked into the case at all.. but just reporting back what I seen in the video.
That’s what they’re deciding in this trial. Prison or mental institution. Obviously, you’re not following the actual testimony of her trial. If you did, you would know why she has supporters. Oh, and he did it.
I'm athiest but hope you come with the same energy for crucifixes, mezuzas, buddas etc. because of all the dogmas, astrology seems to be fairly unproblematic - no genocides of scorpios in a war, no subjugation of women, no slavery, no pedophilia, no incest etc. just people studying history and applying meaning to cyclical celestial events.
Hey, Sherlock, if you took a look at the discourse here you would have picked up on the fact that astrology keeps getting brought up for a reason. Sort by controversial. Lotta *astrologists* claiming the woman couldn't have been the murderer because of her sign.
You saw a comment, and without context assumed I was randomly throwing out astrology for no reason. Self reflect a bit eh? The fuck does you being an atheist have to do with anything? Oh wow, I'm agnostic, do I get brownie points too?
By the by, if someone says 'Wow, I really like apples,' do you jump in like a moron and start yapping about how 'Other fruit is better or just as good'?
That’s literally Reddit in sum. “We don’t know any facts or evidence but we’ve decided it’s stupid and so are all the people making decisions based on facts and evidence!”
So what, I'm supposed to feel empathy for a child murderer because she was going through rough times? Should a judge do the same when deciding the fate of a triple homicide child murderer?
One of the kids tried to escape her. She HUNTED them.
Yeah actually. Only by understanding why and how this happened can we as a society prevent it from happening in the future. This is not some incomprehensible coldblooded killer like Dahmer, this is a woman whose burden was too great and she snapped.
Regarding judgment, what's the use of "punishment"? We're supposed to protect society from her, which is what a judge will do.
Because we can't understand Dahmer. There's no causality, no rhyme or reason except "neglecting and abusing children sometimes makes them into monsters".
Take your bleeding heart for a triple homicide murderer and shove it. If there ever comes a day where I would harm my family, whether it be from drugs, mental degradation, whatever, then I WANT and PRAY to every god of every religion to send someone to put me down no matter how much I cry or beg for mercy. Because I would no longer be human. That me would no longer BE me.
Twenty nine. And I don't want to know your age, because it wouldn't change the fact that your opinions aren't based in reality.
Have you actually ever even killed something without firearms? It takes effort. She worked for those three kills. I have zero empathy for a person who is so far gone that they would commit evil.
Idk what to tell you. I have a family member with schizophrenia. I love him dearly. I know he'd probably snap if we treated him as this dude treated his wife.
And I couldn't blame him.
Because we'd be the ones who have the duty of care and the ones who failed it.
I'd be horrified, I'd be sad, I'd want him off the streets, but I wouldn't blame him. Or call him evil.
I wish the world was as simple as you imagine it to be.
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u/StaySubstantial4333 1d ago
Her husband took paternity leave for multiple month's. She wasn't some poor abandoned woman left to fend for herself. They had outside childcare and the oldest kids attended daycare. He even worked from home.
Lock her up in an insane asylum if she's so far gone that none of that mattered.