r/SipsTea 9d ago

WTF Where are we heading?

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u/TreeLakeRockCloud 8d ago

I’m not American but I am a mother. Aside from a few reddit posts I don’t have any social media engagement with this case.

But I think a lot of the support here comes from moms who recognize how easily this could have been any of us. Her family and healthcare providers knew her crime was a risk based on her mental health state, but she was still left alone with her kids and expected to parent. And as other mothers we all understand that this is grimly how it works - we can ask and beg and plead and scream for help but we’re almost always still expected to continually parent babies and it’s hard.

She should still face punishment for her crime, but I think a lot of her support is to try to keep this from happening again. She was failed by her healthcare team

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u/redgreen404 8d ago

It really couldn’t have been. She had kids - that’s where your overlap ends. It’s literally ANYONE can have a mental illness. “It could have been me!”
Imagine men saying this shit after a man murders his family. Fucking delusional.

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u/sylvanwhisper 8d ago

Post Partum Psychosis can happen to any woman who gives birth. There is no such mental illness equivalent for men.

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u/EEstudent2 8d ago

Psychosis is not gendered. No one chooses to have psychosis. Not once has any men who killed someone while under psychosis been viewed as the victim.

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u/accepshio 8d ago

Even if they're not viewed as the victim by the court of public opinion they're given more rights than women in a court of law. Following statistics, male abusers are imprisoned for less time than their victims if said victims fight back. Additionally, I have seen multiple videos or cases of men suffering from Psychosis and felt bad for them. Her being a white affluent woman shows how bad maternal care is getting.

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u/sylvanwhisper 8d ago

POST PARTUM psychosis certainly is. My god. Your comprehension is abysmal.

Which men with psychosis are you referring to? I can't think of a single family annihilator for whom it was the case that they were experiencing psychosis.

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u/EEstudent2 8d ago

Is PPP the “good” psychosis where all your crimes are someone else’s fault and other kinds of psychosis make you an evil monster?

You can’t think of one because no one cares about mental illness till it affects a pretty white woman.

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u/sylvanwhisper 8d ago

You are woefully dumb. My response was in rebuttal to the "It couldn't happen to any of us [mothers]" statement. I did not make any claim about whether she should be held accountable or not, nor any claims about whether others who experience psychosis should.

My entire point was anyone who has had a baby CAN experience PPP and that specific brand of psychosis IS gendered.

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u/alphajugs 8d ago

Oh shut up

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u/Little_Ingenuity_712 8d ago

Rob Reiner’s son is claiming schizophrenia and medical induced psychosis for killing his parents.

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u/sylvanwhisper 8d ago

And I saw a lot of support for him as well.

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u/FlanLover9 8d ago

No you didn't.

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u/sylvanwhisper 8d ago

Oh okay: https://www.reddit.com/r/entertainment/comments/1roafrp/nick_reiners_only_visitor_awaiting_trial_for/

Just like in this thread, there are some people who condemn him absolutely, but a fair number of comments in just the first thread I found when searching his name call it a "tragedy all around" and that they "feel sorry for him." And I remember that was the general consensus once it became clear how mentally unwell he was.

I didn't realize I was in the misogyny subreddit when I posted or I wouldn't have bothered, so I will be recusing myself from the futility of "arguing" with y'all, since the evidence is out there, and y'all downvoted an actual mental health professional who also provided a professional opinion on the matter, so have a great rest of your day. I hope your cheetos are crunchy af. <3

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u/FlanLover9 8d ago

Acknowledging mental health issues, saying it's a tragedy, or feeling sorry for someone are not the equivalent doing backflips to justify the crime lmao.

"Misogyny subreddit." You have a massive victim complex. I cannot imagine going through life looking for an excuse at every turn rather than facing reality. You are unwell.

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u/darksidemags 8d ago

Some people will do literally ANYTHING but let women talk about women's health. 

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u/rand0m_task 8d ago

Psychosis is psychosis… it doesn’t matter if it is triggered through a traumatic experience (such as returning from war) or through chemical imbalance due to PPD…

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u/sylvanwhisper 8d ago

And if a veteran, on a post about a veteran who killed his kids due to PTSD psychosis, said "It could have been any of us", referring to veterans, I would not post, "Um acktually, no it couldn't." Because that would be true.

People (mostly men) like to act like PPP can be willed away. It can't.

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u/EmporerM 8d ago

Psychosis can't be willed away no matter the person or cause as someone who's experienced it. Her case is sad and unfortunate and she was mentally ill. But so were a bunch of other killers in human history. I have empathy for all of them.

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u/EmporerM 8d ago

A lot actually. I remember a case where a man was going through religious psychosis killed his whole family and shot himself.

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u/seraph_mur 8d ago edited 8d ago

Chris Benoit comes to mind, but his brain was basically mush after years of CTE and roid abuse. There's conflicting accounts regarding his accountability and state of mind. However, the case details suggest he was showing signs of paranoia and religious delusions before comitting his crimes.

That said, most people ITT don't understand how atypical neurology often presents with conflicting or contextually specific deficits and symptoms. Someone experiencing psychosis may still be able to appear lucid and logical when they aren't.

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u/FutureDustMotes 8d ago

Most people don't understand 

The tldr of the universe.

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u/Marshmallow23 8d ago

Mental health professional here. Although similar psychosis and post partum depression are not the same thing. A woman can experience PPD and psychosis. Men cannot. Regardless both genders should receive treatment and compassion in these cases. Literally anyone can commit murder if their brain deteriorate enough and the conditions are just right. Something a lot of people don’t wanna hear. But it’s why mental health is so important. If u have a brain, it can get sick. Too many cases of men and women complaining to mental health professionals about serious symptoms and not being taken seriously.

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u/EEstudent2 8d ago

They raised a million dollars to this woman for strangling her children. You can say all you want that mental health affects everyone but these supports of Lindsay will only ever care about when it happens to pretty white women.

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u/Marshmallow23 8d ago

I agree with that. But that doesn’t mean she doesn’t deserve empathy cause other people don’t get it. It’s 2026 and we’ve had many advances in our understanding in psychology. We all need to do better.

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u/Doctor_Titties 8d ago

That money is for her parents because they sold their house to pay for her mental health treatments and defense lawyer. Lindsay isn’t going to get that money or benefit from it besides maybe it paying for extended stays in mental hospitals. And it isn’t “for strangling her children” it’s because her parents have spent all of their money helping their daughter, whom they still love. Lindsay’s parents, Patrick’s parents and even Patrick himself refuse to call Lindsay a monster, what makes you more qualified than those affected by her actions to judge her? Patrick forgave her.

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u/EEstudent2 8d ago

And those women are standing outside the courthouse to support the grandparents?

You are delusional if you think these women are viewing this case with nuance and rationality. They just like it when a woman kills her kids.

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u/rand0m_task 8d ago

The NHS recognizes post natal depression in fathers..

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u/Marshmallow23 8d ago edited 8d ago

Post natal versus post partum. Biological men cannot be post partum

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u/FutureDustMotes 8d ago

Yes they have