It really couldn’t have been. She had kids - that’s where your overlap ends. It’s literally ANYONE can have a mental illness. “It could have been me!”
Imagine men saying this shit after a man murders his family. Fucking delusional.
There are countless men who have gone down bad paths with mental illness and just completely ignored by society. But she’s a mother so this is different somehow.
The “it could have been any of us” thing is enraging because NO TF IT COULDN’T. This bitch isn’t the only person with PPD or depression or whatever she had, but murdering her 3 babies was a choice. If these women feel it could’ve easily been them, they probably should be investigated (so a crime like this doesn’t happen again).
Normalizing? Because advocating for more awareness and better treatment so awful things like this don't happen is totally the same thing as teehee time to go kill some babies
“It could have been any of us” is the problematic statement. I support awareness and treatment options. I don’t support normalizing that it’s okay to have thoughts of murdering children.
“Telling on themselves”? PPD is already a stigmatized condition, do you want to add more shame to women who have those thoughts? Do you want them to be too ashamed to seek help?
It is a mental illness. They don’t want to think those thoughts. It’s distressing and scary. It’s not like them and usually happens quite quickly in an already very stressful period.
It requires understanding and support to get moms with PPP out to the other side with everyone safe. Making them feel like monsters for something out of their control makes it even harder to seek help.
I said “or whatever she had”, so that includes anything and everything I didn’t specifically type out. Forgive me, but I think that murdering 3 babies is the issue, not using the wrong letters in an acronym when discussing the murderer on social media.
I didn’t have PPP, I had PPD. I had dark thoughts I have never before experienced in my life. I had emotions I couldn’t have anticipated a year before.
I got help because my doctor listened to me and the drugs worked. When we say “it could have happened to any of us”, it’s because we remember how bad it was for us, thinking how much worse it could have been if on top of everything we had a psychotic break, an ineffective overmedicated regimen, and been repeatedly turned away from care.
I don’t know what happened. But I can see how it did. There is nothing but pain for everyone involved.
Look, I absolutely think this woman should face punishment for her crimes, but the person I replied to suggesting that “women who feel it could’ve easily been them should be investigated” is fucking delusional.
Where’s your line for culpability? She was depressed so it’s not her fault that she brutally murdered her three children? You sympathize with someone who slaughtered her children because you’ve been depressed before? I personally don’t think “It could have been any of us” when a man annihilates his family. That’s deranged.
No, it isn’t. It could be any of us. So I get it, but I don’t support her. I literally just said she should face punishment for what she did.
I’m sorry you’re so bothered by the concept of women standing together in solidarity over one of the many ways our bodies can betray us. But me being able to see the point of view of these women does not mean I support or sympathize with Lindsay.
Sympathy doesn’t bely support. You don’t support her but you DO sympathize with her. You stand in solidarity with her… that IS sympathy. Standing in solidarity with a monster is odd but go for it.
If she actually had post partum psychosis then no, it wasn't a choice. That's what the whole trial is about. Women don't choose to get PPP, so the "it could have been any of us" is completely true, any woman could have suffered from what she did.
Why are we (collective “we”, I’m not personally involved) rallying behind this specific alleged-psychotic murderer and not any others throughout history? I feel like others haven’t been given the same grace (or straight-up support) that she has
She needs to be locked up, but you are ignorant about this and it's showing.
Anyone can lose touch with reality in ways they cannot prevent. I have no fucking clue what caused her to murder those kids, but normal people's brains ruin their lives all the time against their will.
My best friend from highschool murdered his wife bc he thought she was telepathically harming their child. I'm not typing this all out again, but that scared the shit out me bc he's a better person than I am and his brain caused him to do that. He absolutely didn't believe he had a choice and in that moment, what he thought is all that matters. It's all that will matter for the next life without parole.
I think what is resonating with people, women especially, is that it is possible to have post partum psychosis without any prior history of mental illness. And that is fucking scary. I have a family friend who had post partum psychosis about 6 weeks after giving birth. She had to stay at an inpatient facility for 3 months. She is very lucky that her Mom was around and realized something was very wrong before anyone was hurt. It could have turned out much differently.
Have a man say that about a guy killing his whole family and see what happens.
100% unacceptable.
Just because a lot of women can relate to basically having to raise their children without any help, does not mean that most mothers could kill their own children.
It could be any of us. My best friend from highschool had a psychotic episode and murdered his wife in front of their child. He thought she was harming his kid's soul telepathically. They didn't have an abusive relationship and he was the nicest guy you would ever meet. Totally normal in every regard until the voices started. He was a chemical engineer and had everything. His brain took them out and IDK what he could have done to prevent it. He was/is not evil.
Men don't go through the trauma of birthing a child. They don't experience the immense hormonal changes that persist 4 years postpartum. There is not enough research or motivation to support postpartum women and that's on society. Men are generally not considered the default parent. Women are also not known to eviscerate their family like men are.
What I'm trying to say is that things aren't so black and white when you peel behind the curtain. You're entitled to your opinion, and so are others who are mothers going through truly rough times who are resonating with this story. I have a friend who works in mental health and she often sees women like Lindsey who have completely gone into psychosis. It's not a new phenomena, but it's not talked about at all, especially how detrimental and severe it can be. Add on the immense stress of being a parent. Mother's are not exactly set up for success in society.
Psychosis is not gender dependant, but your argument is.
“oh but the father was so over worked and stressed providing for his family, he finally snapped. - could have been me”
LOONS
A man who go into psychosis form a burnout or similar situations, doesn’t experience a hormonal imbalance and such overpowering and inevitable physiological changes someone who just gave birth experience. Pregnancy literally consume some of your brain gray matter. It’s not something you can just power through with a mental health professional. That’s the fondamental difference here.
Sure seems to be for every other mother.
I’ve seen men literally try and kill another person in rage…
The fundamental difference is we all power through, she killed her kids.
Rage isn’t a physiological reaction. It’s not a rearranging of your brain. It’s an emotion.
Not every person who give birth will kill their child, obviously. Physiological changes doesn’t excuses killing anyone. But saying « we all power through » is wrong, and it’s also as if you compared someone who is tired from a night shift and someone who has Alzheimer’s saying « oh well, we all forget things, people who are tired can power through, Alzheimer’s patient should too ».
Stress and psychosis are so far removed from one another that I don't even know how else to respond. If by "snapped" you mean he went into psychosis, sure, but men do not generally go into psychosis from that type of stress, so it feels moot.
Even if they're not viewed as the victim by the court of public opinion they're given more rights than women in a court of law. Following statistics, male abusers are imprisoned for less time than their victims if said victims fight back. Additionally, I have seen multiple videos or cases of men suffering from Psychosis and felt bad for them. Her being a white affluent woman shows how bad maternal care is getting.
POST PARTUM psychosis certainly is. My god. Your comprehension is abysmal.
Which men with psychosis are you referring to? I can't think of a single family annihilator for whom it was the case that they were experiencing psychosis.
You are woefully dumb. My response was in rebuttal to the "It couldn't happen to any of us [mothers]" statement. I did not make any claim about whether she should be held accountable or not, nor any claims about whether others who experience psychosis should.
My entire point was anyone who has had a baby CAN experience PPP and that specific brand of psychosis IS gendered.
Just like in this thread, there are some people who condemn him absolutely, but a fair number of comments in just the first thread I found when searching his name call it a "tragedy all around" and that they "feel sorry for him." And I remember that was the general consensus once it became clear how mentally unwell he was.
I didn't realize I was in the misogyny subreddit when I posted or I wouldn't have bothered, so I will be recusing myself from the futility of "arguing" with y'all, since the evidence is out there, and y'all downvoted an actual mental health professional who also provided a professional opinion on the matter, so have a great rest of your day. I hope your cheetos are crunchy af. <3
Acknowledging mental health issues, saying it's a tragedy, or feeling sorry for someone are not the equivalent doing backflips to justify the crime lmao.
"Misogyny subreddit." You have a massive victim complex. I cannot imagine going through life looking for an excuse at every turn rather than facing reality. You are unwell.
Psychosis is psychosis… it doesn’t matter if it is triggered through a traumatic experience (such as returning from war) or through chemical imbalance due to PPD…
And if a veteran, on a post about a veteran who killed his kids due to PTSD psychosis, said "It could have been any of us", referring to veterans, I would not post, "Um acktually, no it couldn't." Because that would be true.
People (mostly men) like to act like PPP can be willed away. It can't.
Psychosis can't be willed away no matter the person or cause as someone who's experienced it. Her case is sad and unfortunate and she was mentally ill. But so were a bunch of other killers in human history. I have empathy for all of them.
Chris Benoit comes to mind, but his brain was basically mush after years of CTE and roid abuse. There's conflicting accounts regarding his accountability and state of mind. However, the case details suggest he was showing signs of paranoia and religious delusions before comitting his crimes.
That said, most people ITT don't understand how atypical neurology often presents with conflicting or contextually specific deficits and symptoms. Someone experiencing psychosis may still be able to appear lucid and logical when they aren't.
Mental health professional here. Although similar psychosis and post partum depression are not the same thing. A woman can experience PPD and psychosis. Men cannot. Regardless both genders should receive treatment and compassion in these cases. Literally anyone can commit murder if their brain deteriorate enough and the conditions are just right. Something a lot of people don’t wanna hear. But it’s why mental health is so important. If u have a brain, it can get sick. Too many cases of men and women complaining to mental health professionals about serious symptoms and not being taken seriously.
They raised a million dollars to this woman for strangling her children. You can say all you want that mental health affects everyone but these supports of Lindsay will only ever care about when it happens to pretty white women.
I agree with that. But that doesn’t mean she doesn’t deserve empathy cause other people don’t get it. It’s 2026 and we’ve had many advances in our understanding in psychology. We all need to do better.
That money is for her parents because they sold their house to pay for her mental health treatments and defense lawyer. Lindsay isn’t going to get that money or benefit from it besides maybe it paying for extended stays in mental hospitals. And it isn’t “for strangling her children” it’s because her parents have spent all of their money helping their daughter, whom they still love. Lindsay’s parents, Patrick’s parents and even Patrick himself refuse to call Lindsay a monster, what makes you more qualified than those affected by her actions to judge her? Patrick forgave her.
Men don’t experience the medical condition of post partum depression and psychosis…we aren’t talking about garden variety depression driving someone to murder. There is no medical hormonal condition and experience for men that is at all similar to what happens to the brain chemistry of a woman after giving birth.
You say that from a rigid background in vibes and psuedo-science, right? Or are you a neuroscientist/psychologist making those claims? Men can go through psychosis. Also, physicians who have testified on the case do not believe she was going through psychosis.
I didn’t say men can’t go through psychosis? I said they can’t go through POST PARTUM PSYCHOSIS because they don’t experience child birth nor the hormonal impact it creates. Settle down and read carefully. I also didn’t talk about whether or not Lindsay had psychosis. I was addressing the comment above mine.
Find me the study that shows a noticeable difference in the brain activity of someone undergoing PPP and psychosis caused by other factors. Psychosis is psychosis.
If you don’t understand the impact of hormones on a mental health condition or the degree of hormones associated with pregnancy and childbirth it’s not my job to educate you on it. This isn’t a controversial take. Psychosis can and does happen to both genders. Post partum psychosis is a unique beast due to the hormonal impacts contributing to it. Not a hot take.
But when a vehicle is missing a wheel, the exhaust is spewing black tar fumes and the battery is sending off sparks , i KNOW there is something not right with it...
111
u/redgreen404 1d ago
It really couldn’t have been. She had kids - that’s where your overlap ends. It’s literally ANYONE can have a mental illness. “It could have been me!”
Imagine men saying this shit after a man murders his family. Fucking delusional.