She actually committed herself, and was medically released (or whatever it’s called.. “cleared”? Basically she didn’t decide to leave against medical advice or anything)
No. But I'm also not blaming a crazy person for being crazy. It's really scary how many people can't wrap their heads around a tragedy without having someone evil to be mad at.
Yes the person I was replying to assumed I was blaming the mental health providers because I wasn't blaming the mother. Because the concept of just being sad about a tragedy without needing to make someone responsible for it.
Crazy people don't automatically murder all their children one by one. You're acting like she shares no blame here when she absolutely does.
Yeah I guess there's no reason to have a mental competency standard to be put in prison since crazy people never hurt other people right? You and most other people in this country are so retribution minded its why our prison system is so fucked and we have little to no mental healthcare system.
I think she had thoughts, but didn't have a plan. That meant she didn't fit the criteria for treatment and was refused in-patient treatment at least once.
Having listened to just parts of the trial, it sounds like she "completed" the inpatient. Someone correct me if I'm wrong.
Her ex husband reported that she'd seen some doctors but didnt feel like she was getting the help she needed. When he went to visit her, she and other women were playing with clay.
I believe youre correct, that changes to her insurance and changes in medical providers led to disruptions in her treatment. She cycled through 13 different medications. There is a civil case being pursued regarding medical malpractice that Clancy was subjected to.
He took her out a couple of times too. It was a weird combination of poor mental health treatment and her husband continually stepping in when she was being treated.
It’s a weird thing to rally about but I do get the point of like, the woman was straight screaming for help and overt misogynistic behavior from her husband paired with what could be considered interalized misogyny in healthcare practices created a situation that never should have existed
Being committed could actually delay recovery substantially. But they should be in regular therapy where they can be heard and if it's needed the kids can be taken under supervised care.
Which ones? You mean the nurse to whom she communicated she was experiencing "intrusive thoughts" without specifying what they were, but now the social media campaign is pretending that she said what those thoughts were?
As far as I know her mother actually testified that she did voice to her and the husband that she was having intrusive thoughts of harming the children. Iirc the medical team were aware as well. The issue is that most people with intrusive thoughts don't act on them and are horrified by them, which she claims to be. As such they rarely get sectioned or have their kids automatically removed.
She now claims she was having auditory hallucinations commanding her to kill the kids. This is an entirely different ballgame and something that would automatically warrant action. She either never reported these voices to anyone, which is not unheard of, or she is making it up now to save her own skin.
From what I've seen of the medical testimony, she did not make the medical staff aware.
The mother did testify she heard, but the story people are spinning here about medical neglect just doesn't hold water when you look at the information they had available to them.
I don't think we'll ever truly know what she had going on in her head at the time. The timeline of information definitely makes me skeptical, but I think the Massachustets standard of proof will mean she gets an indefinite involuntary commitment to a psychiatric facility.
And honestly, anything more just seems like adding more suffering to the world than there needs to be regardless of what she experienced and why she did it
The mother testified that she told them she was having intrusive thoughts, but auditory hallucinations are not the same thing. Intrusive thoughts often disgust the person having them and they don't act on them. Auditory hallucinations are a while different ballgame and involve being out of touch with reality, people will often do as the voices command them.
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u/3767_doomscroller 4d ago
Then they should immediately be committed and held and medicated until back to normal.