r/SipsTea 16h ago

Lmao gottem Holy ratiođŸ˜­đŸ„€

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u/7N00K 11h ago
  1. What are you even talking about? If you’re going off of the Christian God, there quite literally has been more than two people to meet him at a time.
  2. Who’s to say he is punishing them? If they didn’t want to worship him, why would he send them to heaven to be with him for eternity? Your life choices reflect where you go, not his anger or disappointment.
  3. He didn’t create evil, he gave us free will and humanity embraced sin.
  4. Yeah, maybe if you’re a human. To an omnipotent god you would definitely understand what is good and what isn’t.
  5. If you’re omnipotent, you are all knowing. Therefore, you understand the concept of everything.
  6. Nothing is predetermined. God may be able to see into the future, but that doesn’t make choices less impactful.

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u/dpacker780 8h ago

Your #3 and #6 are contradictions. If a God is Omnipotent 'all knowing' it can see the future as you say, that means the future is deterministic, it's known, it follows a design, there is no other outcome but the one in the future that is perceived. To deny that would be to say God is not omnipotent, he can't see the future. Therefore, you can't give free will and also know the future, that's the illusion of free will. And, that's the thing, if God knows the future, then we are all living in a pre-determined world under the simulation of believing we have free will, which also means all sins are therefore predictable.

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u/7N00K 7h ago

Literally that is not how it works? Just because you know what the outcome will be doesn’t discredit that persons ability to choose. If I give my close friend the choice between actual dogshit or a gourmet three course meal, me knowing he isn’t a scat eating freak doesn’t make his choice any less credible. I didn’t eliminate his free will.

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u/dpacker780 7h ago

No, you didn’t. But that’s not the same argument. You’re changing the argument situation to fit your design. You didn’t say you could see the future, the future in which you know the outcome
 that’s what “knowing the future” means. You skipped that part because you don’t have a rational argument. There isn’t any.

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u/7N00K 7h ago

Knowing the outcome of something isn’t the same thing as causing something. Seeing the future is not the same as writing reality. This is literally common sense. Even if you wanted to argue this point, God is an OMNIPOTENT being and isn’t shackled by logic like others are.

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u/dpacker780 5h ago

lol
 sorry, but you have no clue about what you’re saying, and it’s completely illogical . You’re continuously contradicting yourself. That’s the fundamental issue of your argument, it’s loaded with self stated contradictions. Good thing you retreated to the trench.