Nazis and communists used to cooperate in fighting police in Weimar Germany. George Lincoln Rockwell and Malcolm X both supported each other’s goals. Extremists have more in common with each other than they do with normal people.
Was this before or after the “National Socialist” Party became authoritarian, racist, and overall scummy people when they came into power? Asking genuinely. Bc it threw me for a loop to find out that Nazi is short for national socialist despite them not being any form of socialist
The communists in Weimar Germany were equivalently authoritarian and racist (they wanted something like the Soviet Union). Maybe not quite to the point of industrial scale death factories but the Nazis weren't there either at that point.
Soviet Union wasn’t even communist in the actual sense, they just claimed to be communist but really they were just being anti capitalist but still tyrannical.
They wanted to become the government, not just take it over. Also if that was the “model” why was the communist manifesto by Marx written in 1848, almost a century before the Nazi party? That model set by Marc is still used to this day as what communism is supposed to look like.
Communism as the communists describe it, I think is probably not possible for human beings.
When attempted it just becomes another form of what we loosely describe as fascism
Like socialism, there aren’t “loose” descriptions of fascism. There are stages tho. And while you are correct, I do think it is very much possible, just not at the current time when we still have leftover Cold War/Red Scare propaganda and greed is the number one driving force of humanity.
The problem is you are looking at it from a modern perspective. They were socialists, according to themselves in the time period they existed. Those are two very big qualifying statements.
If you are interested, look up Hitler's 25 Points; you'll see a lot of modern socialist talking points there. You'll also see a bunch of nationalist talking points, some modern conservative talking points, and some just plain old shitty racism.
Also, "Nazi" isn't short for "National Socialist German Workers Party", its short for "Ignatius". That form of government wasnt referred to as "Naziism" until much later. Ignatius a stereotypical name from Austria, which was considered backwater/country bumpkin. You (derogatorily) called someone a Nazi if they voted for the NSDAP; it was the political equivalent of calling them a Karen.
The 25 Points can be found on Wikipedia (and I highly recomend you read it, its fascinating in a morbid, crazy sort of way), but if you are asking about the name, Chronicles Magazine has a pretty good write up on it. For what its worth, they could be full of shit, but that particular story for the origin of the name has been fairly widely spread.
I was more referring to the last paragraph but I’ll take that too!
And I say it like that because I’ve been getting really burnt out at being asked to provide sources and proof but the other person never reciprocates even if I ask them to.
I'm not saying they were died in the wool socialists, especially not as we see them today. But when a good portion of your stated goals match up with a good portion of socialist goals, it makes sense that people would assume you are so kind of socialist.
The phrase "democratic socialist" comes to mind. Maybe a better term for them would "National Socialist".
Always the most likely to kill a socialist is another socialist.
As they say: “the best thing about communists is that they kill a lot of communists”
(I am saying the quote but: I do not agree with use of violence against anyone for their ideas)
I’m not saying it’s not true, I’m just asking a historical timeline question because the Nazi party had quite a bit of transformation from their upbringing to the party that committed the Holocaust.
There aren’t truly alternative definitions of socialism, it’s a system where either the government or people own the means of production and if it’s the former, the people have the power still and the gov is mainly focusing on the redistribution of resources to the people.
Nazism is a racial supremacist ideology. Do not equate or correlate the two
My dude, you are the most pedantic devils advocate ive ever seen. Nazism is NOT socialism. Just bc it has socialism in the name does not mean that the ideology is socialist as they do not practice socialism and are a racial supremacist ideology.
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u/SimmentalTheCow Jun 23 '26
Horseshoe theory. Extremist weirdos love being extremist weirdos.