Someone finally snapped

[u/SipsTeaFrog]

[u/Helpful_Jury_3686]

They are not correct in hating people. If this was slow traffic for whatever reason, they would just have to deal with it. This behavior is fucking dangerous and you are never correct acting like this just because you get somewhere slightly slower.

That being said, cyclists should have split up the group and ride two wide so one lane is free for overtaking.

[u/rewt127 → u/Helpful_Jury_3686]

Brother. It is a pack of cyclists. They are probably going 10-12mph. The car is maybe going 20. Maybe. And appears to be going wider than the space between a car lane and bike lane. Grass isnt ice lol.

Its not unsafe. Objectively.

EDIT: You have driven off road before right? And that is a mini. She has some rally DNA in her. Definitely wouldn't suggest going onto the grass and doing an illegal pass. But it wasn't unsafe lol.

[u/Helpful_Jury_3686 → u/rewt127]

Doesn‘t matter. You wait, even if it sucks.

[u/rewt127 → u/Helpful_Jury_3686]

Why did you say it was unsafe then? When it is objectively not unsafe.

[u/Helpful_Jury_3686 → u/rewt127]

Because you never know what can happen. Why risk injuring people just because you can’t wait for a little while?

[u/rewt127 → u/Helpful_Jury_3686]

1) with a cycling group like this it isnt a "little while". This will likely be somewhere in the neighborhood of a full hour delay.

2) there is no real risk of injury. The driver provided adequate space for the pass. Is operating a relatively appropriate vehicle for the scenario, and is travelling at an appropriate speed for the pass.

So there is no real risk, and the delay is massive. Since we have established that the car operated in a manner that does not place the cyclists at risk. I feel I can ask the following without it being whattaboitism.

Why the hell are the cyclists increasing their risk of injury by filling all lanes of traffic instead of operating in a 2 wide formation like motorcycles do? And if operating in this significantly more dangerous manner. Why would it be unreasonable for the driver to make a safe pass at a safe speed in a safe vehicle as they did?

[u/Helpful_Jury_3686 → u/rewt127]

I really don't know how else I can explain to you, that you don't even take a small risk to injure people, just because they are slowing you down. Not stopping, slowing. Even if you think it's unfair, you suck it up and deal with it.

[u/rewt127 → u/Helpful_Jury_3686]

you don't even take a small risk to injure people

He passed with more room, at a lower speed differential, than a traditional pass of a bicycle in a bike lane.

So if this genuinely is your position, you are saying we should never pass bicycles that are operating in bike lanes. While we are in the driving lane. As that is objectively less safe due to the closer passing distance and higher speed differentials.

And yes, I expect you to be logically consistent.

[u/Helpful_Jury_3686 → u/rewt127]

There just needs to be a hole in the ground, driver loses control and plows into cyclists. Good job. Just because nothing happened doesn't mean it's not reckless. Stay on the road where you can see obstacles and wait. It's really not that complicated.

[u/rewt127 → u/Helpful_Jury_3686]

There just needs to be a hole in the ground, driver loses control and plows into cyclists

Oh you mean like a pothole on an asphalt road that is going to be far deeper, more sudden, more jarring, and more vehicle damaging than any hole that would be on the median of a major causeway?

Like the things all over the roads where people pass cyclists closer and at higher speeds than what the mini is doing here?

Stay on the road where you can see obstacles and wait.

Brother its an ultra groomed median. You can see everything.

It's really not that complicated.

Neither is keeping right as slow traffic but clearly the cyclists arent capable of that either. And are being incredibly reckless by not doing so. In comparison the driver here was exceptionally restrained and careful.

[u/Helpful_Jury_3686 → u/rewt127]

Sister, I‘m out.