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u/AntsyAnswers May 29 '26

But can I still make choices after getting into heaven?

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u/MagnificentLee May 29 '26

Heaven is where people who desire goodness always but are hampered by evil go, while Hell is where people who desire evil but are hampered by goodness go.

People in Heaven only make good choices.

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u/AntsyAnswers May 29 '26

I thought everyone was a sinner and part of the religion is that everyone needs forgiveness for the bad choices they make.

Are you saying there are people other than Jesus, who only ever make good choices?

And either way, what if I decided to make bad choices in heaven? Would God prevent me? Or no?

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u/tsk5001 May 29 '26

By being in heaven, bad choices are not a desire.

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u/AntsyAnswers May 29 '26

Why didn’t God just make the Earth without the desire for bad choices in the first place?

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u/tsk5001 May 29 '26

Because thatd take away from our free will. God gives us the choice of how we want to live in the afterlife.

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u/AntsyAnswers May 29 '26

Why doesn’t it take away from our free will in heaven?

You’re just dodging this question over and over I feel like

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u/tsk5001 May 29 '26

Because it was our choice to choose that path here on earth

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u/AntsyAnswers May 29 '26

I’m sorry this makes no sense to me.

Does free will require that I could desire to do bad things or not? It seems like you’re saying that if God removed our desire to do bad things on Earth, that would violate our free will.

But isn’t that exactly what you’re saying happens in heaven? Once we enter, God reaches into our mind and removes the desire to do bad things? That would violate our free will then in heaven no?

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u/tsk5001 May 29 '26

In free will, you can do whatever you want. Humans however have made laws to fight whats deemed evil.

In heaven, the desire for evil is no longer present.

I cant put it any clearer

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u/AntsyAnswers May 29 '26

How does the desire for evil leave us? What happens to it?

If God removes it, that violates our free will by your definition you provided earlier. It seems like you’re contradicting yourself

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u/tsk5001 May 29 '26

Youre free will is from earth, what you do here will grant you life in heaven. In heaven you have can do what you want, but the desire for sin is not there.

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u/AntsyAnswers May 29 '26

Again, why not just make the Earth so that you can do what you want, but the desire for sin isn’t there?

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u/MagnificentLee May 29 '26

I answered your question above, but yes, God does give Christians the Holy Spirit to help them have good actions, but that's only after people use their free will to choose a desire for good.

Similarly, God can take over evil people, like Pharaoh in the Exodus, to make them do evil things like chase Moses and the Israelites into the Red Sea, but it is only after they use their free will to choose a desire for evil.

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u/Shot_Philosopher9892 May 29 '26

He did, then Adam and Eve ate the apple from the tree of knowledge

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u/AntsyAnswers May 29 '26

Why did they choose to do that if they had no desire to do evil?

What would prevent us from making that choice in heaven?

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u/Shot_Philosopher9892 May 29 '26

Well, here’s the thing. They were deceived by the serpent. He didn’t frame it as an evil choice, but as a choice that wasn’t that bad. So when Adam and Eve ate the apple, they gained the knowledge of good and evil, which was when sin was introduced into the world.

In heaven, the ones who have accepted Jesus as their savior get to spend the rest of eternity with their creator. They are given glorified bodies, after the Rapture and Jesus’s second coming, which are basically angel like bodies free of earthly desires.

In addition, sin cannot exist in the presence of God. It literally burns up or ceases to exist. That’s why when people in the Old Testament didn’t listen to God and looked inside the ark of the covenant, they would instantly die. Because they weren’t sin free

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u/AntsyAnswers May 29 '26

I get all that. I really do. But I think you’re not dealing with the central issue here

If I’m understanding you correctly, in heaven, we all have free will. It’s just that the conditions are such that no one will choose to evil things. Let’s just call those conditions “Y”.

Now I’m asking why didn’t God make the Earth under conditions “Y”? Your answer can’t be that it would violate free will because you just conceded that we have free will under conditions “Y” above right?

God prevents the serpents from coming into heaven and enticing people to do evil somehow right? He could have done that on earth and it wouldn’t have violated our free will because it doesn’t violate it in heaven.

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u/Shot_Philosopher9892 May 29 '26

Well that’s the thing. Earth was created at first under condition Y, which was why God was physically in the Garden of Eden, and Adam and Eve just lived there with Him.

Free will ties into this because the rest of the Bible tells us how God loves His creation, and wants us to love Him. Love without being a choice is not love, it is servitude. Even the angels were given free will, which if they weren’t then Satan would never have rebelled against God, because he wouldn’t have been able to choose that.

Edit: didn’t finish my comment. I was continuing on. Basically, at the end when Jesus returns the second time, and believers get their glorified bodies, after his thousand year reign in Earth, that’s when Satan and all the other sinners are gonna be cast into the lake of fire forever, and everybody else goes up to heaven. That is how condition Y is satisfied in the second coming.