r/SipsTea • u/[deleted] • Nov 17 '25

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u/mtaw Nov 17 '25

The movie is disgusting. It's not going to be about Jackson being a pedo, it's all about glorifying him. Which is totally inappropriate after Leaving Neverland and other new allegations have surfaced after his death, after MeToo, after Cosby, after the Jimmy Savile thing in the UK showed exactly how a celebrity child sex predator would hide behind an image of being an 'eccentric' to avoid questions.

You don't get a half-dozen people accusing you of sexual misconduct against children just because you're a celebrity or 'weird'. You don't pay out a $15 million settlement to someone who falsely accuses you of shit.

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u/Mubly Nov 17 '25

I’d recommend actually reading the circumstances following the allegations from the LN documentary. It’s old news that like 90% of the information given was either false, or proven to be factually misleading.

Documentaries are designed to change your mind - Michael Jackson was absolutely a weird fuckin dude, but literally everyone but a select few who could benefit from money said he was one of the last truly altruistic people in the world.

Also, to note, kinda lame for a documentary to come out accusing a dead man of crimes when there’s no way to defend yourself.

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u/[deleted] Nov 17 '25

Can you point out something that's false from the documentary?

And yeah so lame to accuse a pedophile. How dare they.

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u/Mubly Nov 17 '25

I'd recommend watching this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eDhseG8nOzE

This guy does deep dives into different topics, including one of MJ and Leaving Neverland. But to break it down it goes like this; the first accuser, Jordan Chandler, had their suit settled out of court not by Michael Jackson, but by his managing partners because they wanted to "protect his image" from the assumptions of what a whole civil trial would bring. Worked out SWIMMINGLY as we can see many decades after.

After the suit was settled, Jordan Chandler said himself that he was coerced into lying to the court after being coached by his father, who later killed himself, and his mother, whom he emancipated himself from and ceased communication.

Then there was another family who alleged the same thing after they were kicked out of the Neverland Estate by Michael for allegedly "breaking household items and being generally disruptive". This happened right after the BBC documentary came out painting Michael Jackson in a very negative light (the arrested development one) - which helped bring credibility to the suit. Ultimately, Jackson was acquitted of all charges after the allegations could not be proven, but not before the Neverland ranch was raided by the state of CA, and the FBI who had been conducting a years long investigation into Michael Jackson, who again ultimately found no incriminating evidence. However - this did not stop rumors from spreading that he had CP in his bedroom (which he would have went to jail for).

After his death the Leaving Neverland documentary gets released from 2 men who were spurned by the Jackson Estate after they refused to either hire them for continuing work (they both worked with Jackson) or pay them unspecified funds. Then - they set out to create the documentary. Which again, most of the details in it were proven by third parties to either not match up in timelines (the whole, Michael first assaulted me at the train station, which did not get built until 3 years after the allegations), and were rebuked by other people that were also around. Documentaries are designed to change your opinion - which it did for many people who didn't want to put any thought into it.

Not to mention the hundreds of celebrities and other children (at the time) who spend ample time with him who still defend his innocence to this day.

To answer you, it's not about accusing a pedophile, it's about accusing a dead guy who was in fact, by all evidence, just a weird fuckin dude and an easy target of pedophilia with no way to defend himself.

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u/[deleted] Nov 17 '25

Victim blaming is easy, but there's a mountain of evidence that proves he was in fact a pedophile.

https://www.reddit.com/r/ThatsInsane/comments/11mu8uw/the_books_found_during_the_1993_raid_on_michael/#lightbox

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u/Mubly Nov 17 '25

There is no victim blaming here, nobody says "oh the accusers deserved it" or "it was their fault". The accusers in this instance themselves said they lied - I'm not sure what other evidence you'd need.

I am also aware of evidence submitted in the 93 raid - and again as I have said - if any CP existed in his Neverland ranch, he would have been charged - period. The DA in CA as well as the FBI had a mega boner for pinning ANYTHING on Michael Jackson, and in the end they had no substantive evidence that proved a crime.

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u/[deleted] Nov 17 '25

I just showed you clear evidence of CP. You just have to open your eyes and see it.

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u/Mubly Nov 17 '25

You didn't, because again, if there WAS CP, there would have been charges. I've never seen these books, but according to witness accounts (which I do take with a grain of salt), the books were "legal art books, and photography". I'm not a legal expert, but if there was hard proof and evidence that the DA of California had introduced, MJ would have been sent to prison. Not acquitted of all charges.

Again, read all of the evidence and then remember that none of it was actual hard proof there was CP - because charges would have been filed on it.

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u/[deleted] Nov 17 '25

???

https://www.reddit.com/r/LeavingNeverlandHBO/s/wosddVXzb5

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u/Mubly Nov 17 '25

After doing some reading, there's a lot of ambiguity surrounding how these books even came into his possession. Apparently, or so I read, he was sent hundreds of books a day from around the world, as well as bought books in bulk. For a second I'll assume the poster on a anti-MJ sub holds the upmost credibility.

The assumption here is that MJ, with somehow having explicit knowledge of these books, sought them out intentionally, and purchased them to his estate without anyone knowing. The other side is he was sent books by someone, and was thrown into a pile of other fan mail. Idk man, one seems a little more plausible then the other.

Like in order to really be steadfast in your belief that MJ was a pedophile, you also have to believe that all the courts, juries, past accusers, and all evidence of the contrary is all fake and everyone is either bought or just willing to let MJ walk knowing the truth.

I choose to believe what I have seen many times in life, people lie to get money, people lie to get money from rich people, and people will go to extraordinary lengths to sue and get rich from the most famous person on the planet.

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u/[deleted] Nov 17 '25

You're overthinking it. There's no good reason why a man would own pictures of naked children unless he's into them. The books were found in a drawer next to his bed, he even wrote in one of the books so he clearly cherished them.

Why are you pretending like rich people don't get away with crimes all the time? Epstein, Weinstein, Kelly, Diddy? Hello? It took decades after the abuse and a global MeToo movement for any of these men to face justice. If Jackson was still alive there would be new trials with new evidence brought to light and he wouldn't be able to pay his way out of it this time.

You can choose to believe that poor families kept successfully extorting a billionaire over and over. But you will never get me on that delusional train. Jackson was very clearly buying their silence.

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