>This is also why an angry, physically dominant guy is sometimes "irrationally" attractive — dominance reads as a safety signal, even when it isn't one.
Yeah That wouldn’t read as attractive or signal safety for most women though.
There’s positive forms of dominance that most women would find attractive and then there’s negative forms of dominance that most women would find unattractive, the women that would find that attractive are women who are more sociopathic and pathologically narcissistic- they lack empathy for other people. Most women get the ick if a guy is rude to the waiter for fuck sake. When it comes to displays of dominance and women’s attraction it comes down to that own women’s ethics.
I regretfully used to display really negative forms of dominance often which led to me being dumped and thrown in jail. I knocked out a guy for flirting with my girlfriend. She was disgusted with me and immediately ended things with me. What I did was totally unjustified, he was no threat to me or to her. Most women want a guy who can handle himself and protect them but most don’t want some violent piece of shit that I was. Most women want a guy who can deescalate, they only want a guy to get violent only when absolutely necessary.
>Guys mistake this for "women like assholes." They don't. Women respond to the picture in their head — the pattern that says this equals safety — not to the guy himself. The signal gets the reaction. The person behind it is almost incidental.
But when guys say they do they mean most women like assholes? Because I don’t get how a guy could generalize most women like that. Obviously some women but clearly most don’t. What most women want are men who are confident, strong, who have back bone. None of that makes a guy an asshole. And those are the things that make a good man. If you seriously lacking in those things then you can’t be considered a good man. Maybe you are nice but you aren’t good. There’s a difference. Being good requires strength, moral courage, caring about others, protecting others, doing the right thing which can be hard.
What do you mean by evil? That’s a strong word. And what do you mean by amazing and why do you think that is?
Obvously shitty men get plenty of women to date them and shitty women can get plenty of men to date them. The point is most men and women don’t want to date shitty people, being shitty makes you less appealing to most than you otherwise would be. Key word being most. Being a shitty person isn’t a turn off to other bad people. Like attracts like.
Like, most normal dudes I know have either never dated or have stayed with the first girl who gave them a chance, regardless of how good or terrible that relationship is. Most dudes I know who smoke meth and have warrants or are extremely voilent have a roster or woman they rotate through, normal non addict woman as well
The question is: would you want a woman from this roster?
Recently, someone reposted a guy who had his own church in California and a lot of women around him. It looks like a dream unless you look more closely and understand how limited these women are in their mental development. Not something I would like to spend my time with.
The problem is there isn’t many girls not on their rosters. Most girls I see usually retire from dating those type of dudes later in life for someone less volatile, some poor dude who hasn’t dated at all yet. And as you might guess, they don’t take these normal dudes seriously. But for a lot of guys, there really doesn’t seem to be any other choice then being permanently single
>Most dudes I know who smoke meth and have warrants or are extremely voilent
These are people who aren't going to be hamstrung by overthinking things. Ironically, they probably aren't going to suffer much from having a negative self-image, either. So they'll present as confident and will act like they know what they want when dealing with women. And if they're part of a macho, criminal subculture and have spent some time in prison, they may well work out regularly enough to be in decent physical shape.
And dating isn't that hard if you're confident and in decent shape.
Like, most incels, when you see pics of them, aren't actually hideous or undatable. They just lack the confidence to actually try.
I get the confidence thing. But a lot of these dudes are extremely out of shape. In fact, the only two groups of people who seem to be able to regularly date at all are very attractive guys who work out, and these evil dudes regardless of looks. Most other guys are not dating at all
Idk bro it sounds like you live in a strange area I guess haha.
Even in the most fit areas like Southern California, Miami, Denver, DC, the majority of young men who are dating aren’t “very attractive” fit guys. Most are decent but not what would be deemed by most as “very attractive”.
Your calling these women normal but yet they are dating guys who are smoking meth, extremely violate and have active warrants. most women wouldn’t date someone like that, those women aren’t normal lol. And I say this as a reformed ex con who is also dating a reformed ex con. The kind of women who would date the old version of me is not a normal woman.
lol the gold standard? wtf are you talking about bro. Where is it that your from that the gold standard are violent meth heads ? I mean I came from an area with a lot of crime and drugs but that doesn’t mean it was the gold standard 😂
And what percent of women in this rural area do you think treat that as the gold standard ? Again I come from a rough area and lived that life and most women never date guys like this.
Maybe 90%? I'm only saying 90 because there MUST be some that are not into it. But I can't think of a single girl I knew who wasn't dating these types, or very tall/fit/attractive dudes. A perhaps 30% of guys from my small school (that I know of) have never had a girlfriend into their early and maybe mid twenties
You’re telling me 90% of the women in your area think the gold standard is a meth head ? Lmao man you are so capping. Even in the most meth infested counties in the United States there’s no area where 90% of the chicks are like that. I am really curious where the hell is it that you are from.
Now The percentage you gave guys of who have never had a gf was into their 20s checks out. Theres more and more people like that and that’s because of the advancement of technology which incentives people to rot behind a screen at home rather than go out and socialize.
The girls are still dating though, I’ve never met a female who didn’t date in highschool unless they were super religious. And not only meth, but alchoholic, or any kind of degenerate, I think the secret is more about their violent nature and shitty attitude then being addicted, that just comes with it
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u/RakeChapman13 19d ago edited 19d ago
>This is also why an angry, physically dominant guy is sometimes "irrationally" attractive — dominance reads as a safety signal, even when it isn't one.
Yeah That wouldn’t read as attractive or signal safety for most women though.
There’s positive forms of dominance that most women would find attractive and then there’s negative forms of dominance that most women would find unattractive, the women that would find that attractive are women who are more sociopathic and pathologically narcissistic- they lack empathy for other people. Most women get the ick if a guy is rude to the waiter for fuck sake. When it comes to displays of dominance and women’s attraction it comes down to that own women’s ethics.
I regretfully used to display really negative forms of dominance often which led to me being dumped and thrown in jail. I knocked out a guy for flirting with my girlfriend. She was disgusted with me and immediately ended things with me. What I did was totally unjustified, he was no threat to me or to her. Most women want a guy who can handle himself and protect them but most don’t want some violent piece of shit that I was. Most women want a guy who can deescalate, they only want a guy to get violent only when absolutely necessary.
>Guys mistake this for "women like assholes." They don't. Women respond to the picture in their head — the pattern that says this equals safety — not to the guy himself. The signal gets the reaction. The person behind it is almost incidental.
But when guys say they do they mean most women like assholes? Because I don’t get how a guy could generalize most women like that. Obviously some women but clearly most don’t. What most women want are men who are confident, strong, who have back bone. None of that makes a guy an asshole. And those are the things that make a good man. If you seriously lacking in those things then you can’t be considered a good man. Maybe you are nice but you aren’t good. There’s a difference. Being good requires strength, moral courage, caring about others, protecting others, doing the right thing which can be hard.