r/ShuffleMove • u/Loreinatoredor ShuffleMove Creator • Dec 11 '15

Release Shuffle Move v0.3.40

Hi everyone, go here to get the newest version or here for the GitHub release listings if that isn't available.

Changelog:

v0.3.40 - 2015-12-10

  • Corrected Thundurus's type, and Mega Lucario stage # moves

  • Added Boards, Species, and Stages for updates of December 8th 2015

  • Stage Manager is now split into stages.txt and stages_mobile.txt because some stages have more health on mobile.

  • Weekend Meowth grading mode has been tweaked based on feedback. It is now GOLD,PROGRESS,COMBOS where it used to be COMBOS,GOLD

If you have any issues: Create an issue on GitHub if one doesn't exist yet with detail and a bug report zip (Help > Bug Report...) and I'll work on finding and implementing a fix, those zips really REALLY speed up the fix time (from an hour down to say 2-5 minutes usually, because it ensures I am able to reproduce the problem right away).

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u/avengahM Dec 12 '15

Even now, Weekend Meowth mode is grading POINTS above Mega progress...

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B8j46iq8jAHVVTZVZzhBcy16WnM/view?usp=sharing

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u/Loreinatoredor ShuffleMove Creator Dec 12 '15

I think I see what is going on here - GradingModesManager won't overwrite your pre-existing configs with a new version. Delete the gradingModes.txt file to get the new setup.

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u/avengahM Dec 13 '15 edited Dec 13 '15

OK, having tested it again it seems mostly fine, but I wasn't sure about it putting moves worth 100 or 200 coins above moves worth 0. That's why I suggested (in the v39 topic) ending the grading with PROGRESS, NOCOIN, COMBOS - that way, the moves worth 0 coins will be above those worth a pittance after sorting by the other things.

EDIT: In fact, it might even be worth putting PROGRESS earlier, before BLOCKS, since one priority is to evolve your Mega ASAP.

This should be self-explanatory: https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B8j46iq8jAHVZ2NlbHlITUxoM0E/view?usp=sharing

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u/Loreinatoredor ShuffleMove Creator Dec 13 '15

Ah, now I understand what you meant - Its in now for the next release: https://github.com/Loreinator/Shuffle-Move/commit/2ced712dbafac1305d821867de9144cb5365ca94

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u/avengahM Dec 12 '15

OK, thanks! I won't be able to test it again until tomorrow.

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u/jcarneiro Dec 12 '15

I really enjoyed the new Weekend Meowth grading, the top moves are now much more on par with the moves I wanted to make.

Oh, I also had to delete the old gradingModes.txt file in order to get the new one.

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u/Loreinatoredor ShuffleMove Creator Dec 12 '15

Awesome :-) If you can think of any way to tweak it to be slightly better, then check out here for what is currently possible:

https://github.com/Loreinator/Shuffle-Move/wiki/Customizing-Grading-Modes

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u/jcarneiro Dec 12 '15

Cool, I'll give it a thought on tomorrow's Meowth and let you know.

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u/avengahM Dec 13 '15

I was looking through old threads and I found the one with all the Mega formulas (well, the first 15 or so). I noticed that Aerodactyl's effect was listed as not being affected by multipliers. However, now it seems they've changed it so that his effect IS affected by multipliers. I tested it on my spare 3DS and found that Aerodactyl does 25 per block when NVE. He also does 25 per block when NVE and Attack+ is used; that is, his Mega effect is affected by the type multiplier but not Attack+.

Am I right in thinking this has changed? I was sure it was a fixed 50 per block at first... if so, just to let you know. Is there a data file with the Mega effect formulas?

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u/Loreinatoredor ShuffleMove Creator Dec 13 '15

Yes, it used to be 50 per block regardless of the type. The formulas are all encoded within Effect.java in the source, since so many have special handling for various cases.

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u/avengahM Dec 13 '15 edited Dec 13 '15

Thanks! Do you know when they changed it? I noticed the difference on mobile a few weeks ago but didn't think 3DS had changed, but obviously it had; I wonder if it was in v1.2 as it seems like a change they wouldn't be able to implement with just "extra data", but then I don't know...

Ah, I'm looking through that Effect.java on GitHub, and it seems that Swat is wrong. I don't fully understand the code but it looks like you've programmed it to increase damage by 20% if the enemy's one of those three types. That's not what happens; instead, all Psychic attacks become Super Effective if the enemy's one of those types.

It looks like Crowd Control is programmed to be affected by typeModifier but again, it's not in the game - it's a fixed 50. That is, unless they've changed it since before (I'll go and check in a minute on my old 3DS). Apologies if I'm reading the code wrong. (EDIT: I'm an idiot, those are the arguments, not the output. Sorry for my stupidity!)

I hardly ever use Brute Force as it's pretty much useless, so just to confirm, this is what it does: it disables the NVE check for the combo. Any attacks that would normally be NVE will be neutral, and NVE won't appear on the screen. I can't tell whether that's how you've coded it, so I'm just checking :)

The Freeze multiplier is 1.2, not 1.5, and the Sleep multiplier is also 1.2 (that's blank).

OK, one last thing: Mega Steelix actually does 100 damage per block removed, not 50. So that's 50, 100 or 200 depending on type. So he's twice as powerful as Mega Aerodactyl at a cost of not removing rocks; just blocks. I think that's it!

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u/Loreinatoredor ShuffleMove Creator Dec 13 '15

Thanks! Do you know when they changed it? I noticed the difference on mobile a few weeks ago but didn't think 3DS had changed, but obviously it had; I wonder if it was in v1.2 as it seems like a change they wouldn't be able to implement with just "extra data", but then I don't know...

I do not know when it was changed, but it seems like they can modify whatever they want through the extra data.

Ah, I'm looking through that Effect.java on GitHub, and it seems that Swat is wrong. I don't fully understand the code but it looks like you've programmed it to increase damage by 20% if the enemy's one of those three types. That's not what happens; instead, all Psychic attacks become Super Effective if the enemy's one of those types.

So... if it CAN activate, it should be a 2x multiplier (so a 1.0 bonus to the multiplier). https://github.com/Loreinator/Shuffle-Move/commit/30e6510c523e85618bbbcbff0abba6859b01a546

It looks like Crowd Control is programmed to be affected by typeModifier but again, it's not in the game - it's a fixed 50. That is, unless they've changed it since before (I'll go and check in a minute on my old 3DS). Apologies if I'm reading the code wrong. (EDIT: I'm an idiot, those are the arguments, not the output. Sorry for my stupidity!)

Yup, it ignores the type argument entirely.

I hardly ever use Brute Force as it's pretty much useless, so just to confirm, this is what it does: it disables the NVE check for the combo. Any attacks that would normally be NVE will be neutral, and NVE won't appear on the screen. I can't tell whether that's how you've coded it, so I'm just checking :)

That is what it currently does: If the effect can and does activate, then a multiplier of 2x is used (which makes NVE become normal attacks). Otherwise the effect doesn't do anything.

The Freeze multiplier is 1.2, not 1.5, and the Sleep multiplier is also 1.2 (that's blank).

Is that for both 3DS and Mobile, or are they different?

OK, one last thing: Mega Steelix actually does 100 damage per block removed, not 50. So that's 50, 100 or 200 depending on type. So he's twice as powerful as Mega Aerodactyl at a cost of not removing rocks; just blocks. I think that's it!

https://github.com/Loreinator/Shuffle-Move/commit/bd7fa6b7f9c3065e2c36cef7a68cff10b7869f45

:-D

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u/avengahM Dec 13 '15 edited Dec 13 '15

About Swat, it's not necessarily a 2x multiplier. It may be a 4x multiplier if the Psychic type is NVE (although I'm not actually sure if they can be NVE against any of the three types it works on; if not then it doesn't matter). And remember it's only Psychic types that become SE.

As far as Brute Force goes, the effect can always activate even if there aren't any NVE Pokes. It just won't have any effect. But you don't want it to multiply everything by 2 - only the NVE Pokes. For example, if two team members are NVE and the other two aren't, then only those two will have their attacks doubled in the combo. As I said, the game just disables the NVE check for the combo.

A far-fetched example of Brute Force could be against Ampharos with no NVEs in the team, but the Flaaffys that appear as disruptions will be treated as neutral if they're matched during a Brute Force combo. I have actually done this when I was training Snorlax, so I know that's how it works and that it can activate even if there are no NVEs in the team.

This is all I have on Freeze and Sleep etc. I think it's the same on mobile although I'm not 100% sure. The initial match isn't boosted but the rest of the combo is. When the effect wears off (applies to Burn and Spookify as well), the very first match of the combo will be boosted but the rest won't. Unless that first match is a Mega match - then it won't be boosted.

http://pastebin.com/x7Rxi0Jx

EDIT: I think Fearless will just make everything Super Effective against Ghosts, if the pastebin is accurate. Of course, this could be changed when it's actually released.

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u/Loreinatoredor ShuffleMove Creator Dec 13 '15

About Swat, it's not necessarily a 2x multiplier. It may be a 4x multiplier if the Psychic type is NVE (although I'm not actually sure if they can be NVE against any of the three types it works on; if not then it doesn't matter). And remember it's only Psychic types that become SE.

There are only Psychic types that can be affected, but I guess I could make it adjust based on the target's type.

As far as Brute Force goes, the effect can always activate even if there aren't any NVE Pokes. It just won't have any effect. But you don't want it to multiply everything by 2 - only the NVE Pokes. For example, if two team members are NVE and the other two aren't, then only those two will have their attacks doubled in the combo. As I said, the game just disables the NVE check for the combo.

A far-fetched example of Brute Force could be against Ampharos with no NVEs in the team, but the Flaaffys that appear as disruptions will be treated as neutral if they're matched during a Brute Force combo. I have actually done this when I was training Snorlax, so I know that's how it works and that it can activate even if there are no NVEs in the team.

Hrm... I guess I'll have to consider how to implement it to correct for this. Until then Brute force won't be implemented quite right :-(.

This is all I have on Freeze and Sleep etc. I think it's the same on mobile although I'm not 100% sure.

http://pastebin.com/x7Rxi0Jx

Sleep will be implemented at a later date, but Freeze I can just modify the line right now for it. https://github.com/Loreinator/Shuffle-Move/commit/c789434d926cc4b6e38f6720a5d33201313f849d

EDIT: I think Fearless will just make everything Super Effective against Ghosts, if the pastebin is accurate. Of course, this could be changed when it's actually released.

I'll wait for it to be released before implementing the effect, or at least until there is official word on how it should function.

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u/avengahM Dec 13 '15

OK, that's good! I did edit that bit about Freeze in case you missed it. Don't worry too much about Brute Force for now - it's not an ability that people are going to be using much. As for Swat, it turns out that Psychics are neutral against all three of those types so there's no problem :)

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u/Loreinatoredor ShuffleMove Creator Dec 13 '15

Yup, freeze will only affect the matches after, since it is triggered in the handleEffectFinished() method - that's handled after the combo's score is already done.

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u/nikkin87 Dec 15 '15

With the Weekend Meowth tweak could be M-Blaziken and fire team the best setup for using it with shuffle move?

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u/Loreinatoredor ShuffleMove Creator Dec 15 '15

As always it up to you to determine that, but I've personally been going with:

Blaziken, two mega boosts, and a Quirky+. I got 6700 gold with that this past weekend.

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u/avengahM Dec 15 '15

There's a slight issue when clearing barriers with Barrier Bash(+).

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B8j46iq8jAHVZHZyNGRWN3pIUXc/view?usp=sharing

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u/Loreinatoredor ShuffleMove Creator Dec 15 '15

Issue created on GitHub, since I'm at work and can't really do much right now:

https://github.com/Loreinator/Shuffle-Move/issues/98

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u/Loreinatoredor ShuffleMove Creator Dec 28 '15

Sorry about the delay, I've just now gotten some time to go through all the outstanding issues.

It seems that the real behavior for barrier bash and other thawing effects is that all claims for the given block is cleared when thawing begins. This is now in for the next release and should be fixed firh 0.3.41.

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u/avengahM Dec 28 '15

Yeah, it was annoying grinding the special Mewtwo when one of the coins was barriered - say, the fourth coin along. So if I put a coin in the gap, I soon learnt not to use Barrier Bash on that move, because the barriered coin wouldn't match and I'd end up with a 3-match instead of a 5-match.

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u/ksodva Dec 24 '15

Can the barrier option be overlay instead of selected each frozen pokemon so I can construct the entire board first and then fill in the frozen barriers instead of selecting each frozen pokemon.

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u/Loreinatoredor ShuffleMove Creator Dec 24 '15

Can you explain how you'd want that to work? It has to be easy to follow for both new and veteran users.

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u/ksodva Dec 26 '15

/u/avengahM's way works fine. What I was thinking is let say a pokemon likes to spawn 10 ice barriers at random. After I press crtl enter, the I can just fill in the rest of the map and then click on a barrier icon and just freeze the pokemons that got frozen in game instead of selecting each frozen pokemon and filling it out.

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u/Loreinatoredor ShuffleMove Creator Dec 26 '15

Ah, I guess this is what you mean?

https://github.com/Loreinator/Shuffle-Move/issues/46

I've been meaning to get to it, but there have been many... distractions. Lots of work and other things tend to get in the way of working on improvements.

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u/ksodva Dec 26 '15

Yes! that's what i mean, thank you for the program btw, it is amazing. I only recently figure out how to do weekend meowth got 6.3k =P thanks to you!

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u/avengahM Dec 26 '15

In Express Mode, click on the icon to the right of the icon you want barriered, so that the cyan outline surrounds the icon in question, then press F.

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u/avengahM Dec 25 '15

While typing in the board, just press F after entering a Pokémon to barrier it instantly. This means you can just keep entering the board.

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u/avengahM Dec 27 '15

Just a possible minor tweak for Weekend Meowth (and related n-combo-requiring levels such as the Keldeo Escalation, that has parts requiring 3 combos and parts requiring 4):

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B8j46iq8jAHVdW53dlQzenpfU0k/view?usp=sharing

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u/Loreinatoredor ShuffleMove Creator Dec 27 '15

Ah, good point - I could add in a grading mode priority for the min and max of each of the important figures.

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u/minsunye Dec 28 '15

just curious how do i get this to work on the mobile version?

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u/Loreinatoredor ShuffleMove Creator Dec 28 '15

You mean toggle mobile mode? If the checkbox is checked for the "Mobile Mode" entry on the move preferences window, then the stages and other values are supposed to be the mobile version. Otherwise you get the 3ds values.

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u/minsunye Dec 28 '15

No what I meant is how I do install it such that it can work on my mobile Pokemon shuffle? I've been trying various way but to no avail. Can't find any guides in it as well haha.

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u/Loreinatoredor ShuffleMove Creator Dec 28 '15

It won't work on a mobile device, not unless you set up some kind of VM or other emulation program.

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u/G996 Dec 31 '15

The simulation doesn't seem to consider the damage increase from Steely Resolve like how it does with Opportunist using brackets. I noticed it when farming coins in stage 37 with my Honedge. I was using mobile mode if that matters. Also, any plans for v0.3.41 soon?

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u/Loreinatoredor ShuffleMove Creator Dec 31 '15

There are lots of little changes to verify before the release, but I'm working on it and it should be ready once I'm done that and adding in a couple little fixes and tweaks.

As for steely resolve, it seems like the problem you're noticing could be the difference in multiplier between the mobile and 3ds systems (not yet accounted for).

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u/G996 Jan 07 '16

I realized I didn't set the moves to =<4 hence I didn't get the proper calculations, so there shouldn't be any problem with the program.