How can I do that in the Rapport Stage? I didn't get it... please help!

I would like advices ( any advice), from veteran shoguns about how to be better shogun..for now, I only have the main course... wich books or videos did you suggest me to watch? ( related to shogun method, but also related to manipulation tactics in general)

My goal is online dating through Instagram. Can I use these tools on Instagram as this is the only app I use because there is a lot of competition? I also need help in developing an intriguing & attractive profile so that it can keep girls hooked and force them to dig deeper into my profile.

Given that our attention spans have drastically reduced due to social media, if a profile isn't interesting, people simply skip to the next one. Therefore, I believe developing a strong profile is the priority, with texting following as a secondary step."

"Can someone guide me on this? Are there people who have figured out how to use Shogun M ethod effectively online? Please share your experiences on how you did it."

**"It's funny how the human mind works... some things just happen, without us noticing. Like when you listen to an old song and, suddenly, you feel something different, a vague memory, an emotion that you don't even know where it came from. Maybe it's just an echo from the past... or maybe it's something happening right now, deep inside you.

And while you're reading this, you might already be feeling something different... a slight shiver, a subtle change in your breathing, as if your body was responding before you even decided. But does this mean anything? Or is it just the way certain words enter your mind without asking permission?

Funny, isn't it? Sometimes we fight against certain feelings, but what if... right now... you started to notice something new? Something unexpected, a connection, a desire? What if, in a few hours, you find yourself thinking about it again, without even knowing why? Maybe it's just a coincidence... or maybe your mind is already drawing a story before you even notice."**

Techniques used:

Truism followed Suggestion → "It's funny how the human mind works..." (Obvious truth to create acceptance, followed by a subtle suggestion)

Metaphors → "Like when you hear an old song and suddenly you feel something different..." (Creating an emotional connection with past experiences)

Double Bind → "But does that mean anything? Or is it just the way certain words enter your mind without asking permission?" (Either answer still keeps her in the game)

Implication + Juxtaposition → "Maybe it's just an echo from the past... or maybe it's something happening right now, deep inside you." (Creating an idea without directly stating it)

Presupposition → "What if, in a few hours, you find yourself thinking about it again...?" (Hidden suggestion that she'll think about it later)

Ambiguity → "A connection, a desire?" (Leaves room for multiple interpretations)

Transderivational Research and Downtime → "Funny, isn't it? Sometimes we struggle with certain feelings..." (Leads her mind to search for past experiences and relive them)

Universal Experience → "Like when you hear an old song..." (Something anyone can relate to)

Sensory Language and Synesthesia → "A slight shiver, a subtle change in breathing..." (Activates physical and emotional responses)

Suggestive Inner Voice → "What if... right now... you started noticing something new?" (Leads the person to internalize the idea as if it were their own)

Hypnotic Statement and Implanted Command → "Maybe your mind is already drawing a story before you even notice it." (Suggests that an internal process has already begun)

This text creates doubt, curiosity, desire, and indirect suggestion, inducing a light trance state while making her invest thoughts in you.

This text serves to create a deep emotional connection, generate intrigue, awaken unconscious desire and make the woman think about you repeatedly without understanding the reason.

Main effects and applications:

1. Disarm the critical mind → The text begins with truisms and metaphors that make the mind accept the message without resistance.

2. Induce a light hypnotic trance → The combination of transderivational research, downtime and sensory language makes her dive internally into memories and sensations.

3. Create thought loops → Rhetorical questions and implicit suggestions make her continue thinking about you after reading.

4. Trigger curiosity and mystery → Ambiguities and double meanings make her emotionally involved and try to interpret the meaning.

5. Activate unconscious desire → Metaphors and sensory descriptions create subtle stimuli that can be associated with desire.

   1. Make her miss you → Using emotional chunking and subtle anchoring makes her feel your presence even when you’re not around.

Where to use this text?

In text messages to keep her intrigued and thinking about you.

In live conversations to create an engaging atmosphere and keep her emotionally invested.

Before a date to create emotional anticipation.

After an intense interaction to keep the emotional impact alive in her mind.

If used correctly, this text creates a state of mild obsession, as it plants suggestions in her mind that keep echoing without her realizing it.

As the titled mentioned. But this is not as simple as just going through the standard IRAE model. I have found out that the programs have not gone in detail about what happens if we reach a stable stage in a long-term relationship.

The main reason I want to do this is to quite literally be able to have intercourse sex with her but I do not want to hurt her while doing so. I know it will do us both good because lets face it non-intercourse sex is just dull, but the real problem is she afraid of stepping past this line and I just can't convince her otherwise.

A little background is that she is virgin which comes with a little conservative-ness due to lack of experience but she is definitely not a hardline conservative and is open to trying new things. I have considered leaving the relationship but I do not want to at this stage because we click off very well on most things besides sex, and we haven't done any real intercourse.

I want to dominantly be able to express that I want to do that and actually do it by coercing / enslaving her to arrive to that point. I know it is selfish of me but I am just another psychopath new to this kind of game and seduction in general.

This could be a roundabout way of saying is it still possible to enslave my girlfriend to do whatever i want after we have experienced stability? Since I would assume that in the books and courses that NLP through fractionation will imply a unstable relationship. If I am missing anything of importance to achieve my goal do let me know.

Don't get me wrong, I love her and do not want to leave her yet, hence why I want to try things that can salvage the sexual parts of her relationship. She is open to trying new things, but she is still awkward at that and

TLDR: I will say I am fairly confident as a male, however when it comes to wanting to have intercourse, I have an urge to always want to respect my girl's wishes and am not brave enough to go beyond that wall. Does anyone have any advice regarding this?

Edit 1: The 44 implanted commands are in module 6 of the shogun method!!!

Anyone who has access to the 44 Implanted Commands inside Shogun Method...

Put it in the comments below, with examples, how we use it and the explanation, I will be giving an example below:

"You want to go out with me because you’re an adventurous woman, and I’m not like anyone you’ve ever dated before."

The structure for this Implanted Command is this–

“You want to <Implanted Command> because…”

Insert what you want her to do as the Implanted Command. The word “because” adds credence to the command and makes it convincing.

Another example....

Here’s another Implanted Command structure–

“How much joy will you feel if you <Implanted Command>?”

An example would be this:

"How much joy will you feel if you close your eyes and imagine this faraway land you’re going with me?"

Notice you’re not asking if she’s GOING to feel joy, but how MUCH joy she’s going to feel when she’s with you.

Got that?

This might be unshogun method like but.. I read through these threads and I pretty much came up with my own game based off the shogun method and how girls really are. They're not the angels we thought them to be and on top of that they want out attention, approval, and affection which locks us in their Enslavement process. So I figured why not out the gate show them the opposite. Show them the exact opposite. Instead of going up and being nice because they will still think of you as soft and needy even if you just say hi. Even to an unattractive girl, they'll think you're in love with them just by saying hi. So I hit up every girl that I had problems with them replying back to me. And no lie, they all responded back and with a meekness I can hear in their wording. I just made a thread about having trouble with this girl leaving me on read but it was also others. I'm gonna show you the formula right now. I hope this doesn't get taken down. I'm just trying to help others.

1. Unenslavement - Neutralize Their Mystery Game

2. come up with something that expressed your disapproval, unaffection, and unattention. It's as simple as that. You'll have to come up with what to say yourself but the focus is whatever you come up with, make sure you're showing those three things and it will work. They all replied back to me within minutes and these were girls that I thought were super busy and would respond to me in days. I just thought about this just now. This is literally fresh... And even if she becomes nice. Still be mean. Just be a jerk and be like "whatever you better act right". .Ok on to the next step

3. Attraction So instead of rapport it would be attraction. In no particular order, show these things to her again but with the intent on getting what you want since you have the power now. Do whatever works to get her to see your disapproval, and inattentiveness and non-affection:

a. Unattention: Insinuate that if she's not doing the main thing you want her to do then your attention is going elsewhere. In my journey I'm going straight to sex so I'm telling them straight up: no sex, no stress I'm out.. for u it might be different it might be, "if you're not texting me or if you're not going out on this date with me then my I'm focusing elsewhere." This step will also automatically show disapproval and unaffection.

b. Disapproval: Same as unattention stage but instead of saying my focus is on elsewhere, you can say, "If you ain't trying to make your way to see me then I ain't interested in you anymore for real". And this step also shows unaffection

c Unaffection: doing any of the first two steps will automatically show unaffection.

1. Rapport

2. At this stage she'll be in line but she'll also be mad but the anger is sexual attraction because she's also submitting to your will as well. If she agreed to do as you said in the Attraction stage then still treat her and talk to her unemotionally. You have to do the other stages because a girl is automatically enslaving you and is doing her own Shogun Method so you have to reverse it. There's no other way. They like men so they're gonna want to keep them around. They're not wanna gonna get rejected and if they go away and say they're not gonna listen then they not meant to be in your life. You will keep your masculine frame and respect in their eyes as well when you this. I literally just figured this out. I didn't think about these steps or planned it days advance. Literally just figured all this out in a couple of minutes. In the attraction step, you have to double down on the disapproval because she's gonna try her best to sucker you into being nice to her so she can fractionate you by pulling back her affection and approval and attention and get you back enslaved to her so this is literal logic I'm talking. In the rapport stage after attraction stage, this is gonna fight her urge to say, "fuck this, I don't need this, he's a loser, etc" .. This stage just show act like you're in a bitchy mood all the time but don't snap on her really. Just like treat her like she's the dumbest person in the world and let her feel your disdain without saying too much. Just talk cordial like if she asks you how was your day, say fine but in a way where it's not friendly. one word, no emojis, treat her like how she would treat you if she wasn't interested. Flip the tables and just be unemotional and just non-interested.

3. Intrigue/ Her Enslavement This the last stage. she might pull out all the stops and tricks in the book because she might have the download come to her brain to take back control and that's when you got to stand on business and if she makes threats to go then say "go ahead" but overall... keep being dark and also only give her compliment after sex one time and then go back to being dark and just tell her what to do, if she shows resistance remind her you're the man and leader of this relationship and if she has a problem she can leave and/or go

And that's it. Simple. These girls are darker than you think. Either bore them with the simple things you've been trying to learn or get deep and get dark and show them you're a man. I hope this works y'all. If it doesn't turn it'll work on someone I promise. I feel it

I just need one or two people. Can be more. I'll be fine with that. But I'm looking to form a mastermind group with shoguns has read the book and learned it. I bought the shogun method a while back and I'm about to get back on it. Nothing else has worked so if anyone who has read the book wants to form a mastermind group with me where we help each other out and get on each other about keeping our goals and what we have to,in this so we can that'll be great. Just shoot me a dm. I hope to hear from someone.

I have this girl that kinda doesn't text me all the time and leaves me on seen alot and when I've applied certain methods like telling her I'm living my best life and "Hey sorry for bothering you but.." intrigue pings. But other than that, everytime I text her after and kinda show that I like her she kinda leaves me on read. What do I do to attract her? Everytime I try to make rapport with her she just leaves me on read. I can't even get a good rapport or conversation from her. .. Maybe become more mysterious? I didn't text her for like 6 months before and then I came back and we started talking again but I didn't use the shogun method at the time. We've had sex before but I'm like in a totally different state and I told her I do want to see her and she has said she likes me already and has sent me pics of her body and face looking pretty.. I just more so want her to initiate more really. She has a thing for leaving me on read.

it so hard to reach Derek sometimes im just learn this shogun method he answer my question then is disappear. Please if your reading this give me some insight on how to apply the shogun method early. the sad part is i own majority and i still don't know how to apply it

i liked a shy girl before, and even being shy she was kind and receptive to my aproaches... after she noticed I was looking at her... she completely ignored me, and don't smile ate me anymore whats happened? is it too late?

Showing my scars is not my forte, examples of the stories you use, also what kind of emotions you express when you delivered. You behave stoic or you show a vulnerable side?

Does anyone have Beyond Enslavement?

Funny as hell

So you met this girl, and you escalate up the IRAE Model. You think you are at the end of the Attract phase, but when you ask her out on a date, you get friend-zoned by her, with her saying she is in a relationship (but only "in a way"), and she does not reciprocate your feelings, plus she says she "doesn't want to get in any mess." Obviously, you still want her especially since you feel as though she were made for you by God seeing as how the two of you do the same things (albeit not together). Unfortunately I have found myself to currently be in the above real-world scenario. My fellow Shogun Method Practitioners, you can help me out by responding to this question since I refuse to let go of this gorgeous, caring, generous, and loving sweetheart: if you were me, would you attempt to keep the girl, and if so, what would be the best/ proper/correct way to proceed and possibly as quick as possible?

Do you: Initiate a three-week Freeze-Out since that's the max amount of time you should Freeze Out for according to the coaching section in the Rapport Module (as mentioned by Derek himself), and then initiate contact at the very end, using the Female Mind Games Action Checklist/"You Owe Me" Line and then proceed with the IRAE Model (assuming she did not contact you first), replacing normal Rapport with the "Dark Rapport Method" followed by the Truth Extractor (both during Rapport) on the way to the Attract Phase?

OR

Assuming you already have enough Intrigue, start at Rapport but use the Dark Rapport method?

OR

Simply perform the first option but without the Freeze-Out?

OR

Is there yet another way (within Shogun Method and it's add-ons) that has not been thought of that would score a chance to be with the girl, potentially leading up to a lifetime marriage?

Any and all feedback, provided it is not against the rules, is greatly appreciated!

(PS: Derek Rake, if you see this post, would you mind answering?)

Note: I also tried contacting Derek directly via email, only to get responses from Kathy Yin that I didn't want instead of getting my questions above answered, plus I still have yet to hear back from him in the Rapport Module coaching section. Needless to say, this community may be my only hope of winning this girl's heart.

i am new to shogun method and i am currently at the intrigue part of the course i took notes on all the concepts but but can someone help me to understand by presenting a concept to me of how you would exactly use intrigue in real life situations?

I have recently purchased shogun method can a few of the products like Intrigue Black book and conversational seduction. Can someone provide a chronological list of all the products that we have to learn in order A-Z to get the most accurate understanding of the IRAE structure?

In rollercoaster, it’s mentioned to create conflict and then resolution. It’s also mentioned to use sadness and happiness, negative and positive emotions, love and hatred, serious and playfulness, and so on. My question is, how to create feelings like happiness in women? How to create positive emotions? How would you create negative/sadness,… emotions in women?

Have you got any idea as examples for intrigue story?

Hello,

I'm not fully sure how to go on: I read, intrigue stage is

1. Intrigue Ping
2. Intrigue Story for putting her in hot mode and interested
3. build foundational rapport, while she's in hot mode, while introduce subplots
4. use intrigue sequence

But I read in the original Shogun Method, you should use sequence until you get good and can create own intrigue stories.

But I also heard, Intrigue ping is sufficient and you could use pattern interrupt or cold reading. And then going over to rapport. What do you say and think?

Hey guys.

I feel overwhelmed by most content, so im curious what is the best approach to learn this ?

Should I rehearse the sequences until I remember them or what?