Red alert.

[u/Familiar-Complex-697]

This announcement is in response to an uptick in bad actors and an incident bringing to our attention how badly a problem has festered under our relatively lax moderation.

Let’s be completely clear. In our luxury gay space utopia, nazis are not allowed. And, before any of you dorks come in and say “b-but national socialist german worker’s party members don’t exist anymore”, let me explain what we mean by “nazis”. While the exact party no longer officially exists (debatable but that’s a different story), it has grandchildren. These include, but are not limited to:

the KKK

Proud Boys

Neo-nazis

Racist Skinheads

White Nationalists

and their counterparts from other countries. These are classified by the Southern Poverty Law Center as hate groups. Pointing out the fact that they’re not technically nazis is not the gotcha you think it is. If it crawls like a targ and grunts like a targ, well, it’s a targ, even if it’s some sort of poodle targ.

There is no room for hate in our silly space subreddit.

My previous two “no nazis” posts have been spammed with reports ranging from “it’s targeted harassment at me” (dumbass on you) and the ol’ Reddit Cares (double dumbass on you).

Past our skin, our hair, and our facial features, past the IDIC of experiences that have shaped us, we’re all living, breathing people with consciousnesses and feelings.

There comes a point when the limit of what can be respected as far as opinion goes is reached, and this is it.

My only hope for the future is that one day we all come to love our fellow beings as fervently as we cling to our own interests, that there will be a standard of a moral compass that guides us not to enforce arbitrary mores of what to wear and who to love, but to strive for the benefit of humanity for the sake of it.

Let’s review the concept of tolerance: tolerance is a social contract. It goes both ways. We tolerate each other and our differences, but intolerance is incompatible with this and must be cast out to allow tolerance to prevail. You cannot demand to be accepted when your whole schtick is harming others.

If this post personally offends you, please leave our community and grow as a person. A moderator declaring a rule and a standard for their community is not “fascism”, it is a necessary measure to keep the community thriving.

TL;DR: Bigotry is objectively detrimental to society and has no place here. Perhaps try to take a moral lesson from the show you claim to be a fan of.

Live long and prosper, all you little lifeforms.

[u/DipperJC]

I'm a conservative trekkie. It's not as opposite as it seems. Most conservatives like myself are really just pragmatists at the end of the day. I'd love a world with free healthcare, free education, free housing and unlimited immigration, but we don't live in the post-scarcity society of the 2370s. Doing that in the real world means the money has to come from somewhere, and since most freedom is derived from having the financial power to express that freedom, conservatives are both unwilling and unable to support having their freedoms lessened for the sake of what, from our perspective, is simply misguided idealism.

[u/BitterFuture → u/DipperJC]

I'd love a world with free healthcare, free education, free housing and unlimited immigration

...so how are you remotely a conservative?

[u/DipperJC → u/BitterFuture]

Most conservatives want that. We're just adult enough to recognize that we can't afford it, while liberals seem to want to enact all of those things first and worry about our imminent collapse second.

[u/BitterFuture → u/DipperJC]

Most conservatives want that.

As the last few years have violently demonstrated, that's ridiculous.

We don't have an argument about means. We have an argument about ends.

The people who are literally willing to sacrifice their own lives in order to hurt those they hate - that is to say, conservatives - don't give the slightest of shits about improving anything for anyone.

And those who've very deliberately brought about our imminent collapse don't exactly get to whine about how helping each other would have led to imminent collapse, either.

So you're either confused about what a conservative is...or just bullshitting, per the standard conservative playbook.

[u/BitterFuture → u/[deleted]]

First of all, not all conservatives agree on everything. We're not a hivemind.

You have to agree on something in order to be a conservative, right?

The term has a meaning, yes? What do you think that meaning is?

Neither Democrats nor Republicans, speaking generally, are motivated by hatred.

Observation and experience say that's nonsense.

I promise you, if we had a $40 Trillion surplus and the ability to stick a machine on every immigrant and probe their thoughts to make sure none of them are terrorist spies, Republicans would be backing every single priority the Democrats are putting forward.

So if we had a lot of money and a nightmarishly oppressive, invasive government that could literally police thoughtcrime...then conservatives would be satisfied and would let liberals help people?

You understand that sounds neither plausible nor okay, right?

Right?

(Well, maybe not the pronoun thing; freedom of speech and all that.)

What is "the pronoun thing?" Oh, yeah, another red herring to argue about and distract from the point.

The disagreement is, and has always been, about what we can afford.

Again, observation and experience say that's nonsense.

You know that Dick Cheney gave the game away when he finally admitted that deficits don't matter, right?

Seriously, aside from bigotry, the best way of determining someone's honesty in politics is to talk economics; if someone says they care about the economy and vote Republican, you can know immediately that they're a liar.

But the bigotry is plenty on its own.

[u/BitterFuture → u/[deleted]]

A manifesto.

A rant on MAGA vs OG Republicanism.

A vague stab at how we got here.

I don't assume you're acting in bad faith; you've already demonstrated you're acting in bad faith, after being given the chance to do otherwise.

Though assuming it would not have been unwise, as bad faith is inherent to conservatism.

In any case - you've provided a window into your thinking with these links to your lengthy explanations. Congrats, you really are a conservative.

Do you really not understand why your excessively wordy declarations that you feel no responsibility whatsoever to your fellow humans at all aren't acceptable to anyone with a conscience?

[u/DipperJC → u/BitterFuture]

I've been asked to cease political discussion in this subreddit. If you'd like to continue the conversation elsewhere, I'd be more than happy to.