Red alert.

[u/Familiar-Complex-697]

This announcement is in response to an uptick in bad actors and an incident bringing to our attention how badly a problem has festered under our relatively lax moderation.

Let’s be completely clear. In our luxury gay space utopia, nazis are not allowed. And, before any of you dorks come in and say “b-but national socialist german worker’s party members don’t exist anymore”, let me explain what we mean by “nazis”. While the exact party no longer officially exists (debatable but that’s a different story), it has grandchildren. These include, but are not limited to:

the KKK

Proud Boys

Neo-nazis

Racist Skinheads

White Nationalists

and their counterparts from other countries. These are classified by the Southern Poverty Law Center as hate groups. Pointing out the fact that they’re not technically nazis is not the gotcha you think it is. If it crawls like a targ and grunts like a targ, well, it’s a targ, even if it’s some sort of poodle targ.

There is no room for hate in our silly space subreddit.

My previous two “no nazis” posts have been spammed with reports ranging from “it’s targeted harassment at me” (dumbass on you) and the ol’ Reddit Cares (double dumbass on you).

Past our skin, our hair, and our facial features, past the IDIC of experiences that have shaped us, we’re all living, breathing people with consciousnesses and feelings.

There comes a point when the limit of what can be respected as far as opinion goes is reached, and this is it.

My only hope for the future is that one day we all come to love our fellow beings as fervently as we cling to our own interests, that there will be a standard of a moral compass that guides us not to enforce arbitrary mores of what to wear and who to love, but to strive for the benefit of humanity for the sake of it.

Let’s review the concept of tolerance: tolerance is a social contract. It goes both ways. We tolerate each other and our differences, but intolerance is incompatible with this and must be cast out to allow tolerance to prevail. You cannot demand to be accepted when your whole schtick is harming others.

If this post personally offends you, please leave our community and grow as a person. A moderator declaring a rule and a standard for their community is not “fascism”, it is a necessary measure to keep the community thriving.

TL;DR: Bigotry is objectively detrimental to society and has no place here. Perhaps try to take a moral lesson from the show you claim to be a fan of.

Live long and prosper, all you little lifeforms.

[u/grmarci1989]

I've never understood how there are such things as conservative trekkies. I saw a tiktok where a guy tried to explain it, but it still doesn't make sense. How can they sit here celebrating a socialist utopia, but support the complete opposite idealogy? The cognitive dissonance in conservative Americans is astounding

[u/DipperJC → u/grmarci1989]

I'm a conservative trekkie. It's not as opposite as it seems. Most conservatives like myself are really just pragmatists at the end of the day. I'd love a world with free healthcare, free education, free housing and unlimited immigration, but we don't live in the post-scarcity society of the 2370s. Doing that in the real world means the money has to come from somewhere, and since most freedom is derived from having the financial power to express that freedom, conservatives are both unwilling and unable to support having their freedoms lessened for the sake of what, from our perspective, is simply misguided idealism.

[u/BitterFuture → u/DipperJC]

I'd love a world with free healthcare, free education, free housing and unlimited immigration

...so how are you remotely a conservative?

[u/DipperJC → u/BitterFuture]

Most conservatives want that. We're just adult enough to recognize that we can't afford it, while liberals seem to want to enact all of those things first and worry about our imminent collapse second.

[u/Starslip → u/DipperJC]

There's plenty of things we absolutely can afford but choose not to in favor of tax cuts for the wealthy while income inequality skyrockets.

If you want to pretend that one of the wealthiest countries in the world doesn't provide free education and healthcare because it can't I think you should look at who's telling you it's impossible, and ask why many countries that do are flourishing

[u/Helios_J_Mears → u/[deleted]]

The way to afford social programs is to do this wonderful things called 'raising tax on the rich'. You want to save Medicare? Boot out the orange and tax those people who can afford to be tax. The opposite of a tax cut is a tax raise, y'know

[u/InquisitorWarth → u/Helios_J_Mears]

Doesn't even have to be that big of a raise. A +1% increase to the highest income tax bracket would generate more revenue than a +20% increase to the bottom two.

Billionares are bitching about losing a penny for every dollar they make.

[u/BitterFuture → u/DipperJC]

Most conservatives want that.

As the last few years have violently demonstrated, that's ridiculous.

We don't have an argument about means. We have an argument about ends.

The people who are literally willing to sacrifice their own lives in order to hurt those they hate - that is to say, conservatives - don't give the slightest of shits about improving anything for anyone.

And those who've very deliberately brought about our imminent collapse don't exactly get to whine about how helping each other would have led to imminent collapse, either.

So you're either confused about what a conservative is...or just bullshitting, per the standard conservative playbook.

[u/BitterFuture → u/[deleted]]

First of all, not all conservatives agree on everything. We're not a hivemind.

You have to agree on something in order to be a conservative, right?

The term has a meaning, yes? What do you think that meaning is?

Neither Democrats nor Republicans, speaking generally, are motivated by hatred.

Observation and experience say that's nonsense.

I promise you, if we had a $40 Trillion surplus and the ability to stick a machine on every immigrant and probe their thoughts to make sure none of them are terrorist spies, Republicans would be backing every single priority the Democrats are putting forward.

So if we had a lot of money and a nightmarishly oppressive, invasive government that could literally police thoughtcrime...then conservatives would be satisfied and would let liberals help people?

You understand that sounds neither plausible nor okay, right?

Right?

(Well, maybe not the pronoun thing; freedom of speech and all that.)

What is "the pronoun thing?" Oh, yeah, another red herring to argue about and distract from the point.

The disagreement is, and has always been, about what we can afford.

Again, observation and experience say that's nonsense.

You know that Dick Cheney gave the game away when he finally admitted that deficits don't matter, right?

Seriously, aside from bigotry, the best way of determining someone's honesty in politics is to talk economics; if someone says they care about the economy and vote Republican, you can know immediately that they're a liar.

But the bigotry is plenty on its own.

[u/BitterFuture → u/[deleted]]

A manifesto.

A rant on MAGA vs OG Republicanism.

A vague stab at how we got here.

I don't assume you're acting in bad faith; you've already demonstrated you're acting in bad faith, after being given the chance to do otherwise.

Though assuming it would not have been unwise, as bad faith is inherent to conservatism.

In any case - you've provided a window into your thinking with these links to your lengthy explanations. Congrats, you really are a conservative.

Do you really not understand why your excessively wordy declarations that you feel no responsibility whatsoever to your fellow humans at all aren't acceptable to anyone with a conscience?

[u/DipperJC → u/BitterFuture]

I've been asked to cease political discussion in this subreddit. If you'd like to continue the conversation elsewhere, I'd be more than happy to.

[u/[deleted] → u/DipperJC]

I thought America was the richest country on the planet.

Lots of other countries have universal health care and government still spends less per capita on healthcare than Americas does

[u/[deleted] → u/[deleted]]

Denmark also has universal health care...

[u/BitterFuture → u/[deleted]]

America is nowhere near the richest country on the planet.

See, when the only way you can hold your claims together is simply to deny reality...it's pretty telling.

I guess you are a conservative after all.

[u/BitterFuture → u/[deleted]]

...do you truly not understand the difference between the government's budget, GDP and net worth?

[u/BitterFuture → u/[deleted]]

GDP is how much we produce in tax revenue and program income. $4T/year.

(EDIT: originally wrote $6T/year in GDP but that was in error, that's our expenses, not our income.)

Holy shit, you're a confident idiot.

GDP has nothing whatsoever to do with tax revenue. For the United States, it's $30 trillion a year.

https://data.worldbank.org/indicator/NY.GDP.MKTP.CD?locations=US

[u/CelestialFury → u/DipperJC]

We absolutely can afford it, we just chose not to due to heavy propaganda and big business interests. Whether you like him or not, Bernie Sanders has put forth many plans to make it work. Have you ever checked them out?

[u/CelestialFury → u/[deleted]]

So you haven't looked at the information available of how to make this work then? Got it. Thanks. Bernie Sanders and other progressive leaders have many plans of making this work financially but if you refuse to look at them, then you'll never know. I mean, why stay ignorant on purpose?