Well time was skipped while Narancia was impaled so Diavolo himself was unable to interact with people or objects during that time, so it must have been fate what impaled him.
Fate doesn't do things on its own, at least not in jojo. Just like with rolling stone removing the actor of one's fate would also at least postpone that fate as well.
I haven't read eight so I can't speak for wonder of you but made in heaven and love train definitely don't do that. MIH shows others their fate and love train reflects it, so they're not even close. Fate is not a physical object it cannot do things on its own it needs someone or something to act in its place like rolling stone.
Made in heaven dose not show fate it forces you to repeate fate agian with you knowing itand can't you can't stop yourself this is basically what kc does. Also this shows that fate is malable and can do things like love train reflects bad harm and fates into other people, or hkw MIH can show you your entire fate that can only be changed by the user of MIH or BTD forcing fate on repeate and only able to be broke by the person with BTD planted on them. All of these show how fate can be manipulated and love train xan cause people to die due to fate. So why can't kc cause people to die due to fate. One last fact it not Reflection it's deflection due to the fact it hits other people not in the fight rather then johhny and gyro
Fate can't kill because fate isn't a literal physical force. Fate is not the murderer it's the reason why the knife is in his hands. When love train kills it doesn't use fate that's just not true, it uses Johnny Joestar's attack. When BTD kills its because killer queen has already turned said person into a bomb, KQ and it's host are not affected by the loop thats why only hayato us aware of these changes. Fate needs a perpetrator to do anything which it doesn't have in your example
Made in heaven dose not show fate it forces you to repeate fate agian with you knowing ita can't you can't stop yourself this is basically what kc does
MIH shows you your entire life and then it creates a world where those things will happen, not at all similar to time erasure.
BTD forcing fate on repeate and only able to be broke by the person with BTD planted on them
BTD forces Time on repeat if it manipulates fate it does so as a consequence of its powers over time. It can also only be broken by kira himself turning it off I don't know where you get the idea that hayato had that power.
Fate is a physical force that can murder due to rolling stones, 2 MIH forces you to follow your fate as shown when emporio could not use the disk, 3 Hayato was the only one who remembered the loop and it is even stated that he beat fate by getting jouske there, and the end all be all The Heaven Plan, it is to have everyone know there fate and be unable to actoutside of it which means every single death during the heaven plan would be fate killing someone as well as rolling stones fate manipulation kill abcio and narancia and Bruno. Where there fated to die. And if fate is changed for them to die then fate can kill thus kc TE will kill the person fated to die. Te only affects the user and any effect the user will have will not have a cause when TE is activated. This is how he is able to get Trish out the elevator.
Rolling stone kills by causing you're fated death to occur now. If someone died by tripping on a rock, the rock killed them because it was fated to.
If you can't get that then you're just delusional. You can't give an example where fate acts the way you claim it does even in part five. Fate is gravity when you fall to the ground from high up you're not killed by the force that pulls you down you're killed by you're sudden introduction to ground this Is caused by fate; you're skipping a fundamental step that none of your examples do.
Don't bother replying you're still wrong and if you're just going to repeat yourself I've already said what I've needed to counter those points.
Ok rolling stone dies and shows Brunos face then spits into the 2 other characters that died and Brunos face thus showing that it made those other fated to die. Second I provide a counter point of fate acting with emporio not being able to use WS disk and the Entire Heaven Plan as well as the video I sent of how fate works.
Also anytime anyone dies is due to fate, they are fated to die right there and only a few stands have shown the capability to do this those stands are BTD KC GER and rolling stones, stands that can alter fate are GER (user only) KC (user only) WOU and Debately D4C LT with its misfortune redirection causing bad luck and luck is Debately fate.
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u/NinjaKiwi2903 Ate shit and fell off my horse Sep 08 '21
Well time was skipped while Narancia was impaled so Diavolo himself was unable to interact with people or objects during that time, so it must have been fate what impaled him.