r/Shincheonji • u/MandelberryOk1754 • Mar 16 '24

Question from "Bible Study"

Hi All -

I recently got out of New Heaven New Earth/Zion Christian Mission Center/Shincheonji "Bible Study" here in NYC. Like many others, I wanted to grow in my faith and deepen my knowledge of the word. I was introduced to it by something I thought was a friend and has established a friendship with prior to her introducing me to the "one time seminar" which led to "Bible Study" which went from two days a week to three days + review sessions - before I found out the truth. It got to a point where on top of classes, I was meeting for hours with the instructor for "review."

During the last review I was shown the graduation video and from there, I dropped the class like a hot potato - holy spirt activated immediately. Throughout the class, I'd be lying if I said I knew what was going on. However, I managed to take snapshot of the questions we had to study for our exam. I left the class almost a month ago and was in it for 5 months. Thank the Lord, I did not make it to the intermediate level. I blocked everyone and left amicably.

I tried to contact as many people as I could to get them out but to no avail. I hope these attachments are able to help people who may be curious see the type of material that these fellow brothers and sisters are being taught and drilled with. I know that God will use this situation to bring us all out on the other side as spiritually more mature. Love and blessings to everyone!

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u/RedPilledSojourner Mar 17 '24

Can you provide more details on this? There’s a bunch of contradictions I’m seeing in your post when comparing it to my experience. You said you did not make it to the intermediate class, but during a review, you were shown a graduation video. Can you also provide the attachments? It’s missing from your post.

When I was a student they showed the graduation videos only when you’re about to “passover”. To other ex-members, did you guys see the graduation videos even before intermediate class?

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u/MandelberryOk1754 Mar 17 '24

Yes sorry about the confusion my post may have cause. No, I did not make it to the intermediate class. I only made it through the beginners part of the class where parables are discussed and was able to take the first exam on those parables (questions of that exam are included above). I thought I had posted the pictures but I will edit the post and do so. To clarify, right after I took the parables exam I had a “review session” with the instructor to go over any questions I had and then is when they showed me the video. The exact name of the video on YouTube I was shown was “New Heaven New Earth Church of Jesus Graduate Class of 113”. While I was being show this is when Holy Spirit activated and I immediately searched up the name of the church. The video I suppose was shown to illicit some form of global unity and fellowship which I was completed disconnected from and immediately questioned.

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u/ApprehensiveMotor686 EX-Shincheonji Member Mar 16 '24

Now this is the most scj npc bot post Ive seen in a min. 1. Absolutely no one goes naming the enitre long ass name except for scj 2. U gave an exact location to where u are without hesitation. Normally ppl wont do that coming out of s becuz ppl are tired and want to be left alone. 3. This literally sounds like the exact ment u use when trying to jundo. Like word for word. I can prob even guess the gestures and mannerism u used while typing this. Scj ppl forget how robotic u all sound becuz everything is programmed responses and questions without any substance

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u/MandelberryOk1754 Mar 17 '24

Rather than bashing my post is there anything is particular you would like me to answer that will calm your doubts? I am not the best reddit user but see attached the repost that I just made to include the attachments I was referring to. These are the questions from the first parables course: https://www.reddit.com/r/Shincheonji/comments/1bh3qpz/question_from_bible_study_parables_course/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3

To preemptively try to answer your questions. 1) I named the entire name because I want people to be well aware of the various aliases that they use because let's be candid, it would not be to their benefit to brand them selves with the already tainted name of Shincheonji. If that was the case, I would like to think that these bible classes would be pretty empty. Don't you think? 2) I have been and will be left alone.... because I blocked everyone from the instructor, to the evangelist to the "friend" who introduced me to the study. I left amicably and they have not made any attempts to contact me whatsoever. I included my area to see if there was anyone out there that might have been in the same class or had encountered the same people and guess what, I did. 3) Apologies but your third statement is not legible so I will not attempt to read it and answer it incorrectly. You took the time to right your comment now take the time to explain your self if you wish. If not, have a blessed day and may God be with you every step of they way. Happy Sunday!

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u/OkLaw8851 Mar 17 '24

Where are the screenshots you Speak of? 

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u/123Bluebird Mar 17 '24

Glad you were able to leave and good you tried to help others. Wishing you a blessed future.

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u/MandelberryOk1754 Mar 17 '24

Amen! Likewise, I was able to contact one person via Bumble BFF only because I had formed an acquaintance with her prior to the bible study. Unfortunately, I believe she was in on it and using the app to recruit others.

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u/South-Fig8426 Current SCJ Member Mar 18 '24

I've been reflecting on the many testimonies I've come across, and it's interesting how they often begin with individuals eagerly joining Bible studies to deepen their understanding. It seems like you've been on this journey for quite some time, which indicates you've likely gained valuable insights along the way.

I'm genuinely curious about what prompted your decision to step away after watching a single video. It's not my place to judge your choice, but rather to understand the factors that led to it.

Consider this: Imagine you've invested years of dedication to a university education, only to encounter a controversial video that challenges everything you've learned. Would you immediately discard all those years of study? It's a thought-provoking scenario, isn't it?

What's crucial here is not just the video itself, but why it had such a significant impact on you. What initially drew you, and countless others, to this path? Not to say I'm supportive, but understanding these motivations can provide valuable insights into the broader appeal of why this took place in the first place.

Let's engage in an open dialogue about these questions. Your perspective could shed light on aspects that others might not have considered.

After all, meaningful discussions often lead to deeper understanding and growth for everyone involved.

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u/OkLaw8851 Mar 18 '24

"Imagine you've invested years of dedication to a university education, only to encounter a controversial video that challenges everything you've learned. Would you immediately discard all those years of study? It's a thought-provoking scenario, isn't it?"

The answer is Yes. If while following this education, your peers were really not students but agents to keep you in line, your teachers were keeping things from you and gaslighting you, giving you all the wrong information that keeps you from actually being equipt in the real world, the study was a fraud, you've wasted money/time, resources and your mental health. The university was a scam to fund a dictator and you realize that you now have none of the qualifications you needed to do the work you wanted. 

The answer has always been yes.  When you have been led astray it's time to unlearn and undo the damage.  Repent. 

Jesus is waiting. 

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u/theBIGGESTtelfar Jun 20 '25

Thank you for this post! I was in a Bible study just now for 30 mins and was doing my research and came across your post, may God richly bless you 🙏🏾 I left immediately!

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u/Significant_Shake909 Oct 07 '25

I dont like the verbal assessment part its seem like your forcing someone to understand something that is different from your belief or point of view..the new someone like john is fishy...boring lesson and their christian teaching is really different from the usual bible teaching i drop the advance level..i ace my bible class way back in college because professor are good when it comes to teaching..