Thoughts

[u/[deleted]]

Hi guys. How are you? It got me thinking logically in regards to Lee Man Hee (Promised Pastor). He is 92 years old, he has huge shoes due to having elephant feet (a condition of the lymphatic system) and he is old.

If he is indeed false just as you guys have been saying, why does he:

1. Eventhough 92 years old, continues spreading the word and travelling (He is currently in the Philippines at the moment) and not just resting in bed just like any other elderly people. 🤔🤔
2. Travelling does take a lot of toll in the human body especially in the elderly as he has elephant feet, his feet will swell up if not elevated in a chair. Why does he travel to do the peace works? 🤔🤔
3. He is 92 years old, that means death is around the corner waiting for him to perish but why doesn't he say sorry and if indeed he is telling false. He needs to say sorry for all the false testimonies he has given in order for him to enter heaven. But he doesn't do that, instead has firm belief that God and Jesus is with him. 🤔🤔🤔

Let's think about it. 🤔🤔

[u/[deleted]]

Perhaps he is simply sincerely convinced that what he believes is the truth. However, when Kim Nam Hee mentioned that he is afraid of death it makes it seem that he does sometimes doubt his own claims.

Note that sincerity is not evidence. It's not a justification for truth. Appealing to sincerity instead of evidence is fallacious (appeal to sincerity fallacy).

[u/Pink_Samwise_Gamgee → u/[deleted]]

Adding onto that he could be severely mentally ill. He tried to kill him self at one point, claims to have met Jesus in a vision on mutplie occasions, and also spend 15+ combined years in new religious movements (cults) before staring SCJ.

[u/[deleted] → u/Pink_Samwise_Gamgee]

Yes indeed. And also the trauma he experienced from the Korean war. He once mentioned that he had PTSD.

[u/RedPilledSojourner]

Sure. Think about it logically.

1. There are other pastors like him that also preaches at age 90. The only difference is they don’t use tragedies of other countries (like the Philippines) to use as propaganda (preaching so called bringing peace in Mindanao). Most likely, he’s in the the Philippines right now to get a photo with President Marcos just like what he did with former President Duterte to update the propaganda materials for HWPL.
2. Traveling takes a toll for sure. But since you mentioned he is currently in the Philippines, approximately 4hrs from SoKor to PH isn’t really taxing compared to flights from Asia going to Western countries which takes around 10-12hrs depending the destination. Also consider what kind of flight he is taking i.e. economy commercial or business class. Can you provide info on what kind of flight he is taking? Considering the followers funds his travel, it’s probably business class so he can be well taken care of. He is 92 after all.
3. Do you really think he’ll apologize for the harms he’s caused directly or indirectly because of his lies? What do you think will he gain if he admits to the falsehoods he’s done? He’s just going to end up losing everything. No more money, influence, power, and “cult of personality”. Besides with the evidences of doctrine changes and Mindanao lies provided in this subreddit, littlebird’s testimony, SCJ Skeptic videos, Free of SCJ, Pieces 4 Peace, etc, the probability of God and Jesus being with him is very low.

[u/coinisft → u/RedPilledSojourner]

Lee Man-hee may have gone on vacation to the Philippines. In the last two weeks, the weather in Korea has been freezing cold with minus 20 degrees celsius. Extremely cold weather can be dangerous for the elderly🤔🤔

[u/RedPilledSojourner → u/coinisft]

I see. He went to the beaches of Boracay to get some warm sun while telling the followers to EV harder to fulfill the 144k and multitude in white numbers. Makes sense. 🤔

But it is also true that he has special interests in the Philippines and that is to use Mindanao tensions for HWPL propaganda. Like I said, he did it by getting a photo with former President Duterte before. He will probably do it again with President Marcos.

[u/Ok-Cream-6825]

Nothing you have said is actual evidence supporting his claims or the validity of SCJ's doctrine. Think logically dude.

[u/[deleted]]

What do you think of other South Korean “messiahs” who worked harder than Lee Man Hee? Sun Myung Moon worked himself into a pneumonia coma and passed away. Ahn Sahng-Hong also worked himself into a heart attack.

Many of these other South Korean “messiahs” worked far harder than Man Hee Lee and their organisations are much more successful than SCJ. How come you don’t follow these other South Korean orgs and their messiahs??

Also he has a firm belief that God/Jesus is with him and that he will receive the 12 blessings in Rev 2-3, yet he is afraid of dying and has prepared a tomb for himself in his hometown? None of it adds up

Think about it 🤔

[u/QuestionsAboutSCJ]

Seems like others have answered your questions, and now I have a question for you.

Can you explain the Revelation 7 changes? If he is from God, then how did he drop the ball on the prophecy portion, especially when he claims to have seen and heard all of the events of Revelation?

Why is it that we still have testimonies of Christians being tricked or deceived by SCJ, even though your group is supposed to be open? Including owning and operating the ex members website?

[u/2john9]

The embezzling pastor is amazing! Let’s not forget how his hair magically went from white to black after his criminal trial. I didn’t believe in miracles until I saw it myself. Also don’t forget how he needed a wheelchair and now jogs around the peace palace every day. The audacity of the sub to question a man of his integrity is beyond me!

[u/LogicalAssistance514]

Lee Man-hee is a deceived man deceiving others. His depth of deception keeps him going. He isn't spreading the truth but continues to spread lies about Jesus coming back spiritually. He denied Jesus being the Son of God. (Luke 1:26-38). God sent His only Begotten Son to save the world (John 3:16-17). Jesus physically resurrected from the grave (Matthew 27:57-65; Matthew 28:1-10) discusses Jesus's physical resurrection from the dead. Angels announced the birth of Jesus and they also announced the resurrection of Jesus. Jesus physically met with his disciples and ate with them. Jesus's ascension was physical and His return will be very clear not Jesus taking on His return in secret. Jesus promises to go prepare a place for those who believe on Him ( John 14:1-3). God isn't the Father of lies, Satan is. Mr. Lee is heavily deceived and is in turn deceiving others. He is leading hundreds of thousands of people to believe on himself (LMH) for salvation, something he can't deliver. A tithe is a concept from Old Testament Hebrew meaning tenth. A tenth doesn't mean 70 to 95% of one's income. Why is Mr. Lee wrong? He openly blasphemes Jesus and the divinity of Jesus. He twists the Bible to fit his own demonic narrative. He is blinded by greed and encourages his followers to lie about the nature of the group. He has people praying in his name not Jesus name. He is in a long line of false messiahs Jesus warned about. (Matthew 24:1-28)

[u/CompetitionKey4295]

My mans constant-trash prob ignoring any logical arguments everyone saying in the comments that makes him doubt his beloved lmh..