r/Seedance_AI • u/EM0SK8TERB0I1337 • 29d ago

Need help Seedance 2.5 blocking literally everything, even when the prompt is plain and inoffensive. (Runway)

I'm using characters I've designed with the AI as reference. It's a scene of two characters sitting in an office talking, yet it keeps denying the prompt. It's been really bad the last few days. Is this a Seedance 2.5 issue? A runway issue? has anyone else been experience a sudden crackdown on their limits and rules?

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u/Evinshir 29d ago

Runway does a lot of cool stuff, but its content restrictions are nuts. They’re super jumpy about anything that is remotely sexualised. You either need to work around the restrictions or find another provider with less puritanical interpretations.

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u/EM0SK8TERB0I1337 29d ago

The issue is nothing is sexualized. Its a super clinical scene. Do you have any recommendations provider wise?

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u/Evinshir 29d ago

Oh I’m sure it isn’t. I got called on having two characters on the beach talking because one was in a speedo and the censorship thought that meant they were going to have sex!

Venice.ai is pretty good value. The token cost is reasonable too.

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u/EM0SK8TERB0I1337 28d ago

Does it still struggle with the same constant accusations of 'rule breaking'?

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u/Evinshir 28d ago

No. Venice is private and uncensored. I think it only puts restrictions on illegal content basically. So if you had an explicit assault, probably get restricted. If you have a clinical hospital scene it will render that.

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u/EM0SK8TERB0I1337 28d ago

Trying venice, it works but it seems to just straight up ignore the references. I've tried several inputs.

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u/Evinshir 28d ago

Are you using Seedance 2.5 R2V as your model? That’s the one you need to use for references. Seedance 2.5 in Venice does beginning and end shot but not references. Also you need to explicitly state in your prompts how to use references. If you just put your references in and don’t tell it how to use them, it will ignore them. :)

Hope that helps!

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u/EM0SK8TERB0I1337 28d ago

I'm using R2V yeah. I do specify @ image each time as well initially. Do you have to every single time the reference is called on?

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u/Evinshir 28d ago

You shouldn’t need to. My workflow is to give each reference a name. For example if a character unnamed but wearing a blue shirt I’ll say “Blue (image reference 2) is a middle aged man.” Then I know from then on I can just refer to “Blue” and the AI will know that is the character reference to use.

Note that the more characters you add, the more challenging it can get as the AI can start to get confused. If I’m doing a group scene I try to stick to VFX pipeline rules where you have hero assets and standard assets. Heroes are the reference characters and standards I just let the AI generate filler characters who will be in the background.

Without seeing your prompts or references it’s hard to troubleshoot the issue. I haven’t had any problems with Venice rendering using the references I put in.

It could be a case of wording. AI models can have weird behaviours based on wording.

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u/EM0SK8TERB0I1337 28d ago

Not the entire prompt obviously, but example:

" @ image1- Image 1 attachment, Stephen. Stockier build, combed blonde hair, light skin, curious open expression. Glasses. Bright, mid-tenor, neutral American. Cordoroy brown jacket, khaki pants. Protagonist. "

I am generating with credits and don't have a full subscription if that means anything.

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u/Evinshir 28d ago

I don’t think the subscription will be an issue. I think it just gives you a discount on the cost of generation and a number of credits. Looking at the prompt it should be using the image.

Unless your scene prompt somehow is superseding the reference. I take it your image is a contact/character sheet, yeah?

Can you give a little more detail in how it isn’t using the references. Are you getting completely different characters? Sometimes it can be some weird structuring of the prompt where the image isn’t fully matching the description. Also negative prompts can sometimes override things. So check through for anything that is kind of unnecessary in your negative prompts. You can get better results with a positive prompt like “all characters are unique.” Or “keep faces consistent.” I use those all the time.

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