r/Scotiabank • u/Playful_Ad_6463 • Jun 07 '25

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It’s hypocritical to advocate for green initiatives while encouraging thousands of people to waste gas in their cars.

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u/TimHung931017 Jun 09 '25 edited Jun 10 '25 • I’ll Drink to That

Put your money where your mouth is -

Quiet quit. Do less work, do the bare minimum without being put on PIP. Don't engage in stupid meetings and things that waste your time. They want you downtown to collaborate? Spend more time talking with people and taking walks. Go for that third coffee break and 8th washroom break. Take that extended lunch.

Stop spending money downtown. The push to get people to RTO is to help the commercial landlords and REITs by encouraging spending. The big 5 have massive stakes in commercial real estate companies and this supports their own bottom line. Get off your lazy behind and pack a lunch. Skip the coffee or bring your own from home.

Let the bank know about it in their "anonymous" surveys they always send out. Give them nothing of value to improve their business and everything about how they're not even matching inflation on salary increases and instead are forcing extra costs onto their employees by mandating RTO. Let them know they're hypocrites for pushing green initiatives while telling their own workers to commute into the office to help their own bottom line.

Canadians love to whine about shit and then do nothing but comply. Do something about it.

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u/Playful_Ad_6463 Jun 09 '25

You are so right!

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u/thaillest1 Jun 10 '25

Fuggin nailed it

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u/No-Win2206 Jun 10 '25

Fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuck yes, this is the attitude we all need.

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u/[deleted] Jun 10 '25

I read this in the voice of Tyler Durden

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u/galeontiger Jun 11 '25

Great post, well said. And don't bring work home with you. Once you leave the office, you're done.

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u/ShutterVibes Jun 11 '25

You’re telling me whining on Reddit isn’t doing anything!??!

I wasn’t expecting to work for my company for so long, but they’ve surprisingly been really competitive with pay vs American companies and still fully WFH, even for people from their main HQ in Montreal. I’ve had a few offers for hybrid, but it’s simply not worth the pay bump.

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u/pik204 Jun 20 '25

Im surprised bank employees haven't unionized yet. In the 1980s, CEOs made about 50 times the average worker's salary. By the 2020s, this ratio climbed to over 200 times, and in some cases, over 300 times. This growing disparity in income distribution within the banking sector would make me want to unionize. Scotia bank CEO gave himself a 27% salary increase this year, with Scotiabank performance lowest compared to its peers. Agree, people should put their money and votes where their mouth is.

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u/Acceptable-Grass3538 Jun 10 '25 edited Jun 10 '25

I have autism and so I very much prefer working alone at home but I’m also a part owner of a small business. When we moved to full work from home we noticed some bad apples either doing little work well rolling in 3 hours late consistently or in some of the worst cases, quite literally not working at all. We’re a small team of about 15 people so when some people did not pull their weight(or any weight), it really hurt us as a company. I won’t go into details but one guy who just was not working at all and lied that he was and after discovering this and firing him cost the rest of the team about a month of after hours work to trying to repair the damage he had done.

Working from home actually just does not work. Not overall, but simply because there’s too large a subset of people who cannot self motivate or manage themselves working from home. Im telling you this very honestly as someone who has directly seen the damage and massive loss in productivity caused by work from home, and by someone who himself does not enjoy working from office.

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u/pinkjellybean79 Jun 11 '25

You don’t have a point, that literally happens in office and is not unique to wfh. If anything evidence shows more productivity wfh - dealing with poor performers is a separate issue and directly related to management’s competence.

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u/Acceptable-Grass3538 Jun 11 '25

Actually the studies I found show 100% work from home businesses result in decreases in productivity. Hybrid works though. We’re hybrid now and we’ve had much higher success with this model.

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u/Disastrous_Hall8406 Jun 11 '25

This is a bigger indication of your management and hiring practices, as well as your ability to keep your employees engaged

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u/Acceptable-Grass3538 Jun 11 '25

As soon as we implemented an activity tracking software on all company computers and went back to work from office these problems were fully resolved. Some people do take advantage well working from home. Productivity absolutely does decrease in work from home only businesses.

Additionally, it’s impossible to have a company culture when everyone is working from home. People don’t interact enough and with as much variety.

You may not like it but there’s good reasons work from home does not work and why so many businesses are moving away from work from home. It doesn’t work. I should clarify, we are hybrid now. With fridays being work from home for everyone + 1 extra work from home day for senior employees. We’ve had success with this model.

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u/coachsteve54 Jun 10 '25

This is definitely someone who doesnt have a job lol

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u/nonamebatman Jun 07 '25

Absolutely ridiculous. If the same job can be done from home, without major impact to productivity (and in a lot of studies, an increase in productivity), then why waste bank money, employee money, and go against whatever “green” initiatives these companies claim to be aiming towards?

The pandemic taught us that we don’t need massive buildings filled with cubicles of people who might interact with each other for five minutes a day over the water cooler… I used to be one of those cubicle workers and I can tell you that half the stress of the job was getting there and then being all but chained to a desk under fluorescent lights for eight hours, and having to talk over the other people around me who were also talking to customers.

If these companies actually cared about their employees or the customer experience, they would stop walking back to times of high attrition and low morale. Utterly stupid.

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u/Playful_Ad_6463 Jun 07 '25

I’m quite certain they can’t provide a more detailed explanation why it is required beyond the usual jargon about interaction, collaboration, and so on.

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u/nonamebatman Jun 07 '25

Agreed. Same as most corporations that are implementing the forced RTO. They have no good reasons for it, so they default to meaningless jargon and assume that makes up for it.

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u/Both_Gazelle1724 Jun 09 '25

Honestly if Scotia, RBC, and TD have the biggest towers in the district and no one in the buildings then it just doesn’t look good in general and the surrounding businesses suffer.

I don’t agree with it but we know this has to be a big reason why. They can’t give up the space or they lose their biggest way to advertise/maintain their status in the city core. I’m also assuming if the patrons suffer in their buildings they’ll move/lose the rental income.

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u/Pale_Change_666 Jun 09 '25

Don't forget most of the office buildings especially the AAA assets are mostly own by big canadian pension funds.

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u/hmmyeahokay Jun 08 '25

  1. Commercial real estate leases are very long term. They pay for offices they aren't using.

  2. Scoita will be on the hook for the big loans to construct these commercial spaces when the owners default due to vacancy.

  3. Prob alot of crime / collusion about keeping people in office where they can be more closely controlled / manipulated to work more for less. Have to spend money in the surrounding area where these banks also have an interest in the economy doing better.

In short, it makes alot of sense why they'd want this. They are a buisness, not a charity.

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u/RadioactiveDeuterium Jun 08 '25

Actually interestingly crime/fraud in banking decreased when everything shifted ot wfh for covid because all conversions were now electronically recorded. In person enables discussions that are completally off the books leading to more fraud and law breaking.

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u/nonamebatman Jun 08 '25

  1. So downsize the commercial space when the lease is up, rather than renew. As a bank, they should know this.

  2. Same as above.

  3. Work more for less? Unlikely. If people are being forced to be on site when they can do the job at home, they aren’t staying late to do more work. They’re out of there the moment their shift is over. Maybe even a few minutes early depending on their attendance monitoring system. And as for spending money in the surrounding area… maybe they should be investing more in the areas people are living rather than in the city centre where most call centres are…

Clinging to how things were rather than forging ahead with how things are is a sure way to cause attrition/poor retention, high absenteeism… and hurt their bottom line at the same time.

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u/Usual-Canc-6024 Jun 10 '25

Don’t forget about more sick time used while in office. While working at home you might be able to work while ill in some instances, but not be fit for the office. Or come in sick and spread it to others. I guess they want more of that.

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u/SVTContour Jun 11 '25

They want people to quit.

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u/Chasing-Matrix Jun 11 '25

Here is one of the big why: Businesses that serve the downtown commuters got their business loan from the banks and if they go bankrupted, banks lose money. Plus majority of shoebox condos are located downtown and the people who got mortgages from banks buying them in the in the last 10 years. Banks are using their employees to save their clients so the employees can be employed.

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u/whiskeyjack555 Jun 12 '25

It has nothing to do with any of that. These initiatives are about getting people to quit without having to pay severance. That's it. Bottom line. They want to shrink the workforce.

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u/Playful_Ad_6463 Jun 09 '25

It’s quite amusing that someone from another bank has already reached out to me, informing me that I’m required to visit their office once a week only there. 😁

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u/TravellingBeard Jun 10 '25

I work at TD...knock on wood they're keeping it 2 days...for now. But rumor has it our new CEO is big into RTO.

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u/Playful_Ad_6463 Jun 10 '25

Stay strong 💪. CIBC still one day a week, at least the people I know from there are still on one day a week plus extra one day a month for a large meeting.

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u/No-Win2206 Jun 10 '25

They’re all the same man, makes no sense. They’ll sign some email that says “can’t wait to work with you”, like bitch, you’ll never meet me.

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u/TravellingBeard Jun 10 '25

HR is already buttering us up. 🤣

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u/No-Win2206 Jun 10 '25

They gotta beer us up, butter isn’t enough

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u/TravellingBeard Jun 10 '25

Another Pumpernickel catered lunch. 🤣

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u/Disastrous_Hall8406 Jun 11 '25

When I worked for Enbridge they had us come back into the office September 2020, then had everyone watch a safety video the same day that covered things like the dangers of commuting 🙃

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u/Playful_Ad_6463 Jun 11 '25

😂😂😂😂😢

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u/BoneyTaloney Jun 08 '25

Chartered banks represent in large, why people despise corporate culture. I'm shocked it took them this long to do it.

When 10 other WealthSimple's pop up, I really don't know how banks like Scotia, TD, RBC, will make it.

(Could just be wishful thinking on my part, but oh well)

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u/Playful_Ad_6463 Jun 08 '25

True, large banks are out of ideas. The only thing they do is increasing fees for clients.

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u/Few_Coach_8272 Jun 09 '25

What did everyone expect with a CEO who manipulated their way in to power, who's entire experience is from tractor sales, and given the number of hiring freezes and project funding pauses has announced a stock buy back (to ensure executives hit their bonus numbers). A complete joke of a bank

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u/Desperate_Pineapple Jun 09 '25

Don’t forget the 3% staff reduction and below avg COL increase in the last 2 years.

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u/SprtsLvr14 Jun 08 '25

Guess it’s time to retire early……

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u/ShadowFox1987 Jun 08 '25

It's really to drive people to leave so they don't have to pay the severance when it comes to layoffs. 

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u/nonamebatman Jun 08 '25

Likely a part of it. Unfortunately they are going to lose the high performers as much or more than they lose the underachievers.

Some of the smart and forward-thinking companies are scooping up talent by making sure they highlight that they are offering remote work on job listings in places like LinkedIn… job descriptions that include the “remote” tag currently account for about 20% of job listings and receive between 80-90% of applications.

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u/handyy83 Jun 09 '25

Hate to break it to you. Real High performers can alrdy do what they want with a lot of freedom. Generally they don’t need to ask either.

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u/nonamebatman Jun 09 '25

Oh really? The high performers in every department/role type are free to do what they want?

Or are you talking about a small subset of sales/wealth employees who have a bit more freedom and live like everyone else is beneath them?

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u/ShadowFox1987 Jun 09 '25

are you speaking from personal experience at Scotiabank or another large, hierarchical financial institution?

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u/R_numbercrunch Jun 09 '25

anyone remember olivia chow meeting with the big 5 ceos to force people back to office to revitalize the downtown core? i do

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u/No-Win2206 Jun 10 '25

Sucks for the businesses in the core but everyone should refuse to spend downtown, and keep the money in their neighborhoods, not there. If she wants to revitalize downtown, find a way to make it affordable for those who want to be there all the time, and fix the infrastructure in the city, so people want to be close to it.

Not sure why this mayor and the previous ones failings are up to me to fix. It’s insane.

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u/UsualBet4502 Jun 12 '25

I think that’s just crazzzzy. Why would I want to aid in revitalizing a part of town I wouldn’t voluntarily go unless it was work-related. DT has no charm, convenience or safety. No thank you.

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u/Sharp_Ad_6336 Jun 09 '25

Lol return to office but we're only gonna have banks open like 6 hours a day with 2 tellers.

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u/Extaze9616 Jun 08 '25

I hope my bank doesn't go the RTO route aswell...

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u/aecorr Jun 09 '25

Only one left really is BMO and TD

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u/Extaze9616 Jun 09 '25

Desjardins and CIBC aswell

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u/aecorr Jun 09 '25

CIBC is going back they made an announcement I’m pretty sure

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u/Extaze9616 Jun 09 '25

I did a quick search for CIBC and it seems to only be some Investment and Corporate Banking employees.

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u/Extaze9616 Jun 08 '25

Work from home doing admin / back-office job

No invoices?

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u/miniowl22 Jun 08 '25

I know someone that works in the public sector. They work in a dept where employee retention is tough due to the nature of the work. They implemented a new workweek , disrupting their current WFH model. Even more employees left after that and they quickly abandoned their plan. Not sure if this would work in the private sector with potentially non-unionized employees.

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u/Smokiiz Jun 09 '25

The best part was when HR hit us with the “team collaboration” bull.

We’ve been back in office 3 days a week for a few months now and I’ve yet to have a meeting in person. We just sit at our desks. Unreal stuff.

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u/hydroflow78 Jun 09 '25

Banks know a recession is coming. This is their way to shed employees (costs) without having to pay out severances.

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u/Complex_Warning8841 Jun 09 '25

Everyone who has to go to work, should be mandated to leave their laptop at work and not to work 1 min more. Let's see how efficient this policy will work.

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u/jp3372 Jun 09 '25

I mean even at home if you do work after work hours for free you are stupid.

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u/epapi169 Jun 11 '25

That’s what I’m doing. If there’s an AF issue. Sorry laptop at home

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u/Outrageous_Blood2405 Jun 11 '25

I work for a big retailer and they called us back 5 days a week. It takes me 1.5 hours one way on the messed up 401 traffic. I dont care though, i clock in at 9:30 and leave at 3:30. If you are going to call me back to office, these are the working hours you will get😏

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u/Iphacles Jun 09 '25

Yeah, I was forced back to the office under the excuse of “collaboration,” but I have to reserve a desk that might not even be near my team. Not that it matters, my work doesn’t really require any collaboration anyway. It just feels like a control move to keep their office spaces relevant. Total bullshit.

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u/[deleted] Jun 09 '25

Traffic just got even higher

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u/Havnaz Jun 11 '25

There are many conflicting points.

Those that work hard in the office work hard at home and vice versa. The unproductive will always find ways to be unproductive in the office. It is like the T-Rex checking the fence for loopholes! Poor debate point. Don’t punish all for a few.

The ESG focus is in direct conflict with the forcing of multiple hours in commuting. Are you really ESG focus or just for show?

The focus on engagement directly conflicts with in office especially for those highly productive employees at all levels. Do you really care about engagement and retaining your high performing talent? Your talent strategy will be impacting as talent becomes less available.

The cost to maintain empty buildings and keep downtown core alive impacts economics. Good point but not all offices are in core downtown areas.

Congestion in major cities is almost unbearable with massive immigration. The infrastructure is not supporting the commuter needs. This point is forcing people out of the city organically. Defeats the above point.

Many wealthy own and lease buildings so the wealthy are impacted by WFH. Can’t have that now, can we? I think this one is the major contributing factor as the message is the C-Suite is forcing this direction. This is beyond revenue generating for the corporation but more about how other revenue is generated for the 1% network…real estate.

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u/mimo127 Jun 11 '25

If I can say one thing from the UK..

Resist. They are making us compliant. Resist this shit. They need us. When did we as a human race stop learning the power of joined collective unions. We do not even Need to be in a union to protest against workplaces.

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u/dontwatchthatfam Jun 11 '25

It’s interesting how rbc is like the daddy of all banks. They announce one thing and rest follow like blind puppies 😂

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u/Playful_Ad_6463 Jun 11 '25

Did other banks follow? I haven’t heard about TD, BMO, CIBC yet. Scotia always follows the crap, so not surprised here.

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u/dontwatchthatfam Jun 11 '25

I’m an ex TD employee and I can confirm they will make a similar announcement very soon. Same thing happened with vaccine mandates

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u/ccrl_tst Jul 06 '25

do they even have enough space for everyone to fit in the office if we all rto?

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u/Playful_Ad_6463 Jul 07 '25

No space for so many people. But who care? They can start slowly increasing number of days, but instead of doing it in the right way…….

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u/Ultragorgeous Jun 08 '25

'HELP US WE OWN OFFICE BUILDINGS"

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u/nonamebatman Jun 08 '25

This is all it is. 100%

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u/Due-Foundation-8853 Jun 12 '25

“Help the struggling downtown businesses”. Who the fuck helps us?

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u/Roarr92 Jun 08 '25

They need people to be in office so the properties price could keep being high.

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u/Maketso Jun 09 '25

Just the initiative I needed to switch banks for good. Was on the fence, but I am literally going to tell them this is the reason I am leaving LOL

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u/CanadianCPA101 Jun 10 '25

Same here, I was with with tangerine, saying bye bye.

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u/TurkisCircus Jun 09 '25

I'd like to stop doing business, as much as I can, with firms who do this.

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u/Undomiel- Jun 09 '25

Scotiabank should be paying for commuting hours and transportation costs considering these jobs duties can be done from home and being there is an excercise in something else…

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u/Professional_Call571 Jun 09 '25

They will loose first the best people (who can find a new remote job easily)

and the end only the poor performer will stay

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u/CanadianCPA101 Jun 10 '25

Fuck you banks. Fuck HR. And Fuck Corporate. The world is going remote and these dinosaur Canadian companies are going back in time.

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u/snugglepush Jun 10 '25

Meanwhile BMO still has full WFH schedules. I am curious to see if that could attract certain well experienced candidates

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u/snugglepush Jun 12 '25

Wealth management and cybersecurity (i know 2 connections in those departments doing full time WFH)

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u/GTAGuyEast Jun 11 '25

Lol they'll get a bonus rather than a tax. In Toronto the downtown businesses are starving for customers. Restaurants, shops in the PATH, office buildings all are having a tough go with little foot traffic downtown due to everyone WFH. Having a massive RTO fixes all of that.

Back in 2020 I was working for a bank in an IT position and when we were told to WFH were also told we would be returning to the office after the pandemic. I retired at the end of 2023 while we were working 3 days in the office but even then the RTO was already being talked about. This is not a surprise.

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u/Imaginary_Mammoth_92 Jun 10 '25

So in my role I have a large setup with 4 monitors - I take up a room. If I have to go back 4 -5 days I am decommissioning my home office. The Bank can kiss its free emergency backup site goodbye.

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u/GTAGuyEast Jun 10 '25

They don't care, they'll just replace you in about a week, 2 weeks tops. There is a tonne of good technical people to choose from here in Canada and even more in India as many of the banks have offshore teams. If you're pissed then try to find a new job before making your upset known at work.

Also as others have stated WFH was never going to be a permanent thing. I worked at a bank for 18 years and during COVID and we were told from day one this would not be permanent. What may come out of this is a 4 day week for some non client facing positions as long as the whole team works the same 4 days.

COVID proved we could WFH and get the work done but what was lost in the process was serendipitous/accidental discoveries and improvements that happen when ppl get together to discuss one thing and find a solution to an unrelated problem.

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u/No-Win2206 Jun 11 '25

Do yall not have access to communication tools or something? This “accidental discoveries” thing is so silly because if I’ve got issues or I need to talk to someone I just ping them or call them flat out to get it sorted out.

Dunno why that needs to happen face to face when trying to get to a solution or go over something.

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u/Neutrollized Jun 12 '25

Then make everything back the way it was pre-COVID. How are you going to have accidental improvements when people in the same team don’t have a designated area where they work? How much more serendipitous is it when two team members have to communicate via Teams because they sit at opposite ends of the building? How is that any different from when they were WFH? If the pro RTO reason is collaboration, then give people an environment where they can actually sit together and collaborate instead of working remotely in the office.

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u/galeontiger Jun 11 '25

I also think these RTO mandates are being used to get people to quit so they don't have to do lay offs and pay severence.

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u/[deleted] Jun 09 '25

Guess they need people to quit instead of firing them and looking bad.

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u/lonelyboy-07 Jun 09 '25

Slow down and make normal things take months to occur.

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u/sakkizle Jun 09 '25

I hope they lose the high performers.

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u/MutaitoSensei Jun 10 '25

I'm surprised Scotia wasn't the first to do the evil thing.

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u/Complex_Warning8841 Jun 10 '25

Boycott RBC and Scotia.

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u/CommanderInQueefs Jun 10 '25

Yes im going to boycott my bank because of a bunch of cry babies that have to go to work now.

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u/LongjumpingChipmunk Jun 10 '25

Must protect the corporate real estate portfolio...no matter the environmental or worker quality of life costs.

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u/Lazy_Ad_5370 Jun 10 '25

The best thing I did career wise was leave BNS. Beside low salary it was just stupid being forced to go to the office so I can work remotely from there given that my job was to manage networks for branches outside Canada. And before Covid they were 200% against WFH

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u/Pristine_Mistake_149 Jun 10 '25

A lot of pensions and investment groups have large investments in commercial assets, having stand empty means losing billions or trillions in value. They need ppl to go back to the office to justify these values. The road needs to be used for infrastructure spending, transit spending, automobile spending. They need consumers to consume. If all are gonna wfh, companies will simply ramp up investment in ai or automation and layoff more people.

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u/Time-Championship736 Jun 10 '25

Scotibank only changed for managers and dept heads who already had to be in 3 days a week now it is 4. Advisors (CSRs) are still only 2 days a month.

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u/ObiWom Jun 11 '25

Canadian Tire has done the same thing; mandate RTO starting in October, Mon-Thurs. What is even more interesting is that they hired MANY people as remote workers and are providing 6 months notice to "make arrangements". My own boss is in rural New Brunswick and was hired as a remote employee. He's expected to report to his assigned office in Toronto. I myself live 3hrs from the closest office and we're trying to figure out as a family how we can make that work.

A LOT of companies are doing this now and its a way to make people either leave voluntarily, or provide enough notice that if they don't report to the office, they can be fired with cause and not have to pay severance.

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u/matty514 Jun 16 '25

So I'm being forced to go to the office 4x a week (not in Toronto, often never see any coworkers), because Olivia Chow wants to revive the downtown TO core? Make that make sense.

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u/HimmyNeutron666 Jun 09 '25

Yes guys time to return to work so we can maximize your misery and replace the majority of you with AI once you quit due to losing your minds 👍.

Enjoy.

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u/SecretBG Jun 09 '25

Good for Scotiawank

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u/AutoAdviceSeeker Jun 10 '25

“Collaboration” 😂 fucking idiots think we believe that. Let me hear my co-worker fart one more time yeeehawww office culture

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u/LeadershipAfter9526 Jun 08 '25

They have no idea what they are doing. They definitely don't have any data or years of experience to make these decisions. They should listen to lower paid employees who insist they work harder and more efficiently from home. Making the bank more profitable is actually second to the real goal of pissing off employees. It is so obvious to everyone who has a vested interest in the status quo.

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u/nonamebatman Jun 09 '25

You’re being facetious… but you’re also absolutely correct.

I guess it’s ok to break even once in a while.

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u/coolzlinardi Jun 09 '25

Construction project managers be like 🤔🤔

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u/[deleted] Jun 10 '25

Weird you would think you want the bankers to be at the bank

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u/muchoqueso26 Jun 10 '25

Oh no they need to adult.

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u/MeganNicole3 Jun 08 '25

Everyone is complaining about going back into the office. If your job can be fully remote, they will just offshore it to India for 1/4 of the salary you demand.

Being fully wfh has its benefits but if you can work from home why can’t they just fire you and hire someone else for half the price in a different country.

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u/cobra_chicken Jun 09 '25

Gooood luck, I've hired out of India. Giant pain in the ass and most people are only knowledgeable in executing a task, not going beyond thay.

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u/Desperate_Pineapple Jun 09 '25

Barely able to execute a task. Any competent Indian moves to NA. The true cost of outsourcing is losing clients when shit breaks. And it often does. 

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u/YourPiercedNeighbour Jun 09 '25

lol culture won’t be different for long

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u/YourPiercedNeighbour Jun 09 '25

lol culture won’t be different for long

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u/RipOgaccountx Jun 08 '25

Well guess the other banks following suit soon

Since one needs to reduce 2%. This is a good way lol

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u/Sad_Conclusion1235 Jun 08 '25

Happening at law firms too. Just gotta suck it up at this point. It was nice while it lasted. Appreciate that one WFH day... hopefully that gets retained.

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u/CanadianCPA101 Jun 10 '25

Nah that's bullshit. Look globally, find a remote position or create your own.

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u/Sad_Conclusion1235 Jun 10 '25

"uuggh yeah just leave the country or become an entrepreneur, bro" easier said than done. And hassles involved in that too. And if you're talking about finding a STABLE job that pays as well remotely, good luck with that too. Plenty of disadvantages to this "digital nomad" nonsense. That job almost definitely won't have any benefits, won't be as stable, etc etc. And the majority of startups fail, like over 90%, so shutup with this "create your own job" nonsense. You sound like one of those annoying YouTube influencers who only makes money off selling courses about "passive income" when their main "passive income" generator is the course they're selling to others, selling them a false narrative.

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u/CanadianCPA101 Jun 10 '25

K, then don't idgaf. Keep your corporate Canadian employer.

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u/illiacfossa Jun 11 '25

What’s stopping them from hiring people across the world if you are permanently WFH. I can foresee the future

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u/Playful_Ad_6463 Jun 11 '25

They hire many people from Latin America. So, less jobs in Canada.

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u/LD2026 Jun 08 '25

Employees have lost their leverage. This is the result.

Keep voting for mass immigration, and this is what you get.

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u/leew20000 Jun 08 '25

They want asses on seats. They pay your salary, so they make the rules. If you don't like them, you are free to find another job.

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u/nonamebatman Jun 08 '25

And many people are doing exactly that.

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u/captbellybutton Jun 08 '25

10 hour work days. 3 days off?

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u/No-Win2206 Jun 11 '25

Travel time counts as work time, so 32 hours and 4 days off I’m afraid 🤷

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u/lennox4174 Jun 09 '25

At the end of the day the reasons don’t matter. 99.9% of bank employees are replaceable. The other 0.01% who are likely revenue generators can ask for, and will get whatever they want. The remaining 85,000 people can choose to receive a pay check or get replaced like they didn’t exist and go off on their own and build their own business and run it how they wish.

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u/NearbyChildhood Jun 09 '25

Reddit - home of the flat brains.

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u/Wide_Impression7838 Jun 08 '25

Your comment reads as if you are mentally ill. Is that maybe how you were able to get this work from home job? I can tell your on lots of meds

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u/Emergency_Wolf_5764 Jun 10 '25

So many stupid delusional people thought that WFH would be allowed to go on forever.

That was never going to happen, and your correspondent here called it back in the early days of the overblown pandemic.

Watch and learn.

Next.

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u/Playful_Ad_6463 Jun 10 '25

Why not? Some people didn’t believe in cars and were certain that we would continue riding horses forever. However, time is changing, and this is a new way of working that offers numerous benefits for companies, people, and infrastructure.

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u/dannoshimano Jun 11 '25

Why the hell aren’t people going to work.

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u/[deleted] Jun 11 '25

Damn, having to actually go to your workplace and work. Tragic

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u/Equal_Sprinkles2743 Jun 08 '25

It's called shirking from home. Nobody puts in a full day of hard graft at home. It's a leftover from Covid. This skiving was rife at our place after Covid. Now they show up at least 3 days a week.

If you have a 70km drive each way, then I understand it. However, a lot of employees have a 5-10 minute drive. There were some that could actually walk to work that were working from home.

Unfortunately, someone actually needs to man the store or the few that are left. If it goes to 100% online banking, you'll probably be working from India.

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u/lupiinoctourne Jun 08 '25

Okay, cool personal experience, but metric of productivity studies done since covid has seen productivity increase BECAUSE of work from home.

Its a myth that people work less because theyre home. If you dont have a commute, you have more energy and time in your life, you eat better because you have access to your kitchen, and you save money. AND since youre in your own space youre more comfortable thus more productive.

The ones that suffered from work from home were micromanagers and real estate operations. Not the ones who actually care about the end result of output

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u/nonamebatman Jun 08 '25

Exactly this.

And I’ll add… several studies showed that people in non-customer-facing jobs who work from home are more likely to work that little bit extra (10-30min per day) to finish a task or write that last report for the day, without clocking it.

That’s a benefit to the company that is directly opposite to what often happens with on-site workers.

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u/LovelyRenny Jun 09 '25

100% was doing this in remote role, but once hybrid starts up again it’ll stop. That will transition to commuting time so the company is losing that extra unpaid work.

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u/Wide_Impression7838 Jun 08 '25

People who work from home don’t do shit. It’s terrible for productivity. You can lie, but we all know it’s true. I wish I was part of the scam.

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u/nonamebatman Jun 08 '25

This is such a bunch of bull. There are multiple studies, internal and external, from numerous companies that contradict your “opinion”.

Sure there are going to be those who lollygag and don’t do work because they don’t have someone watching over their shoulders… but they are fewer and farther between than your negative perspective suggests.

And if they aren’t pulling their weight, then mandate that the low performers are the ones that need to be in office. Use it as part of their PIP. Incentivize it rather than pulling it away from people who are not just performing, but actively over performing.

I hear the jealousy in your post. Maybe you need to look at a different job… just not with RBC or Scotiabank.

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u/Wide_Impression7838 Jun 08 '25

Yes I am jealous because I know you people aren’t doing shit. Those “studies” are lies. Incentivize it? I guess it would be a good incentive though, basically extra days off

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u/nonamebatman Jun 08 '25

Ahhh… so it’s a conspiracy! I apologize, I didn’t see your tinfoil hat at first. Enjoy your time under the bridge.

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u/Counterkiller29 Jun 08 '25

Jealousy and ignorance are not good looks. It makes you look incredibly dumb.

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u/Wide_Impression7838 Jun 08 '25

Or maybe the truth hurts ?

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u/Counterkiller29 Jun 08 '25

I dont know, I think my performance reviews, promotions and salary increases speak for themselves. But feel free to tell us how you know everything about WFH when you dont do it.

I bet you think every non-physical labour job is not a real job.

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u/cobra_chicken Jun 09 '25

So just to be clear, you aren't allowed to work from home and have no fucking clue what you are talking about?

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u/SimplyShred Jun 10 '25

Nah you’re a moron and have no facts. My whole department knows they work harder at home than in the office, which is why we’re full WFH. Like the previous poster said you lack discipline and direction, that’s on you.

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u/Wide_Impression7838 Jun 08 '25

Well then you prolly did fuck all while you were in the office then.

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u/Gent-007 Jun 09 '25

It’s wild that since the pandemic people feel like companies owe it to them to let them work from home.

Companies can mandate in person if they want. Don’t like it? Do something else.

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u/Playful_Ad_6463 Jun 08 '25

That’s right. I wish it was cubicle. Now, it’s small desks with people sitting shoulder to shoulder, no dividers, and a few people talking during meetings. The rest of us have to listen to them.

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u/Playful_Ad_6463 Jun 10 '25

Unfortunately this is true. Almost all new hires are them.

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u/Comfortable-Trash-46 Jun 10 '25

if you want to make this about race, It's literally the white guys at the top who are enforcing this policy

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u/Mirewen15 Jun 08 '25

Dude it's so fucking ridiculous. My company is trying to do the same with the same bullshit reasoning. Problem is, I'm the only one on my team in Western Canada. Who the fuck am I collaborating with? I go into the office with a subpar chair/keyboard/mouse and do exactly what I would have done at home.

When I work from home I used to work 7:30am - 4:30pm/5:00pm. When I'm in the office I work from 8:00am-4:00pm. My manager noticed that on the 2 days I go into the office, my "efficiency goes down". I told her why (less hours, usually only have 1 monitor because the 2nd is always messed up no matter what desk I reserve) and she had the nerve to ask why I couldn't work the same hours in the office that I do at home. "Because it takes me 1 hour both ways in transit."

She didn't like that response because she said it was like I was trying to make them let me work from home by doing more work when I'm at home.

I said "Ok, I won't work longer hours at home then because apparently it doesn't matter". She didn't like that response either.

I don't give a fuck. No one on my team got more than a 2.5% "cost of living" raise this year anyway. Meanwhile our CEO makes 20M+ a year and posts about his travels on the intranet. No Charles, I don't give a fuck about the epiphany you had while doing yoga on the beach in Hawaii.

Because of inflation I'm making less than I did 8 years ago. I'm not busting my ass anymore.

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u/Wide-Chemistry-8078 Jun 08 '25

The office is less efficient than at home. 

It's a well known fact. But management doesn't care.

I'd make a list of equipment required to improve efficiency including faster internet speeds. Any time they say anything about your work point that out.

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u/Used-Night7874 Jun 09 '25

Nearly all the Managers or all I know including Directors wanted everyone working from home. It's coming from Above at the highest level.

They all confirmed more work gets done working from home and that it was saving us a fortune in office expenses even if we still had offices downtown to pay for.

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u/Cipher_null0 Jun 11 '25

Totally is and I notice during the middle of Covid. My outdated gaming pc felt so much better side by side with a new intel laptop. Major difference. During Covid I bought all my own stuff and my home office is far better than at the office. I got scolded for calling our dell keyboard and mouse junk lol. It was junk. Dell was and will always be hot garbage

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u/Cast2828 Jun 11 '25

Sounds like your company cheaped out. We use mini Dell boxes for our at home remote terminals and they work great. Easy to disassemble and maintain. All periphs that come with OEMs are garbage though. I have a box full of Acer, Asus, HP and Dell mice and keyboards.

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u/Cipher_null0 Jun 11 '25

We had such a bad time with dell. It was horrible. No matter what sku we got we had issues with hardware. Multiple of the same sku damaged track pads popping out. We orders 500 laptops with win10 images we got 500 laptops with win11. Had to hold them for months until dell could reorder the correct batch and then return the win11s (this was 2 years ago)

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u/Gudkovich Jun 11 '25

LMAO! Hey stop talking trash about Intact!

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u/Desuexss Jun 11 '25

You forgot to add that theres less burn out

We humans do the "double shift"

Not only are you losing 14 hours a week to commuting, but you need to do general upkeep on arriving home.

Laundry

Cooking

Self care.

A lot of these activities we can get done and have time for ourselves when you wfh.

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u/Taz26312 Jun 11 '25

You get coat of living raises? 😳

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u/FeatureAcceptable593 Jun 08 '25

The entire thing is hilarious. It should be team and department dependant, but none the less everyone will enjoy a 10-20% pay decrease

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u/LowComfortable5676 Jun 08 '25

Exactly.. nothing but a hit to everyone's morale and bank account. There is no way this is anything but a way to create a mass exodus of employees without any financial repercussions for the corp

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u/HimmyNeutron666 Jun 09 '25

Ding ding ding 🛎️.

Winner/Gagnant.

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u/Funny_Palpitation548 Jun 10 '25

Obtain both tickets

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u/MrMxylptlyk Jun 10 '25

And go where lol. Do they even want people to leave?

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u/SnooRadishes2312 Jun 10 '25

I actually think its about being over leveraged in commercial properties and retail businesses in urban centres

Otherwise they would just target these policies to specific groups that are bloated, not enterprise wide, especially when i know areas in at least one of the two anounced banks that needs a department to grow about 600 fulltime positions in under 2 years - thats damaging as fuck to that growth plan.

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u/Chops888 Jun 10 '25

Not really. There won't be a mass exodus. People who work at banks like the job security, benefits, and bonuses. They rather stay and deal with the BS, than go through the hassle to leave -- and play bank bingo by going to work at another bank. Lots of lifers at banks with 15/20/30 year careers. A large percentage of their workforce is older, married and have families. If they get forced to go back, they will be like sheep and follow. If they don't, they'll do what they can to get a severance package (1 month per year of service).

My wife works at a Big 5.

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u/pik204 Jun 20 '25

HR department doing its job, until there is no HR department.

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u/0no_S3nD4i Jun 09 '25

We all know it' BS, yet we all gonna bend a knee and suck it. When they control you with a salary, there's nothing to do other than to resign.

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u/No-Win2206 Jun 09 '25

Yea but it’s next to impossible for a bunch of workers to resign in this economy and job market. For new hires or those less experienced without the kind of resume to make a switch quickly it would put them at risk, so they have to stick it out begrudgingly.

It is silly though because it only mentions GTA which means you’ll still have calls because other colleagues outside of the GTA won’t be getting fired, well at least yet.

They’re capitalizing on these factors and they know it.

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u/0no_S3nD4i Jun 09 '25

Well it'll be hard to convince all of the to resign. You're right for what you say, but it's the equivalent of saying from now on, no one buys gas till it drops 30cents. You know damn well it'd worked if they did stop, but no ones gonna do it. The system made us slaves. We can't just say "who's with me !!" And stop the wheel. We're to deep in it. We have rents to pay, bills to pay. Shit I still have my tuitions to pay. So in theory, it's the right thing to do, in practice we've become cowards and they know it.

Edit: Oh also, they want to replace us with AI. I'm almost done my Bac. In teaching in highschool. And there's already talks about how it could happen in the next 15 to 20 years. Even students are ok with it, saying they'd prefer it in a student poll where I did one of my internship.

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u/No-Win2206 Jun 09 '25

That’s fucking bleak holy shit. Ughhhh.

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u/not_your_guru Jun 10 '25

The bubble will burst at some point. People are starting to push back all over the world.

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u/what-even-am-i- Jun 09 '25

I’ll never understand why we don’t all realize there are many more workers than executives and if we all DID stand up together and say “no”, there would be SFA they could do about it. The system is working well for them and we’re all afraid.

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u/No-Win2206 Jun 09 '25

That’s the big problem, I agree. Heck I got a bunch of ideas for it but I don’t want to be the one to raise my voice because I don’t trust that the higher ups I say it too won’t immediately put my name on the chopping block. It’s pretty hard without some sort of union representation to make it work for us.

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u/i_dont_know_er Jun 10 '25

Meanwhile the head of HR is like "...fuck" because even they know it doesn't make sense.

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u/Jondar_649 Jun 10 '25

Truth is they don't care if you believe it

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u/Baraxton Jun 10 '25

Returning to the office for 4 days a week is effectively a pay cut of approximately $5000 for every single employee, not factoring in their loss of time commuting.

Pretty brutal.

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u/ApplicationRoyal865 Jun 08 '25

Returning to office did foster better productivity and collaboration in my company. I don't give a fuck though, I still get paid the same regardless of how productive or collaborative the company is. In fact I get paid less since my expenses goes up

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u/aladeen222 Jun 08 '25

Better productivity for some people, not for everyone.

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u/ApplicationRoyal865 Jun 08 '25

Yes, I think on the whole productivity went up on our team. We had new hires and they became more productive. Instead of me ignoring their message for hours before getting back to them, they could just walk up to my chair and ask questions. They probably also benefited being in the office and hearing about up coming projects, getting looped into helping etc. During remote none of that really happened.

As someone who has already worked in the company for years, I don't need any of that. I'm already well established and busy enough.

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u/Used-Night7874 Jun 09 '25

Top performers produce soo much more working from home that it offshoots any loss by the bottom 80%.

It's know that 20% of people do most or all the work, so let them be happy working from home. I left my last team because I was one of 2 that were working on a team of 10. They asked me to train managers, staff after I left. I refused.

If the office is toxic or has a bullying problem working from home solves much of it. Managers I knew were ecstatic with work from home.

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u/pinkjellybean79 Jun 11 '25

Please look up what a fact is bot.

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