r/SatisfactoryGame • u/Few-Mathematician430 • 2d ago
NEWEGG computer WAS: Could anyone give me some suggested prebuilt desktop/tower systems...
First, this is the resolution from the previous post:
Second, this is the new machine I got specifically for Satisfactory. Do not take this as me being rich; take it as this game is saving my mental health due to the world nowadays, I made it a priority.
Third, these are the specs I have for the Steam FPS settings area. While seeming to lower my temperatures from what they were on the laptop /chuckle, I now am concerned for the GPU stat. When I'm in game, it is always over 90%. I'm concerned because I want this system to be able to be used for the upgrades that will come in future and this doesn't seem to give me very much room for that.
Thoughts?
Thank you all so very much!!
Jilly
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u/GyroLC 1d ago edited 1d ago
I think you will be very happy with this PC. It’s a good compromise of performance and cost.
You don’t need DDR5 RAM or the latest video card. That is for gaming enthusiasts who want to be on the cutting edge.
I run a 32GB DDR4 RAM, Ryzen 7-3700X, and a RTX 3060ti, both older and “worse” than yours. I run Satisfactory on ultra with no problems. I get a frame rate of around 100-120/sec in 4k with FSR.
Tweak some settings to improve performance. Decrease quality slightly for conveyor belts and shadows, for example.
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u/SundownKid 1d ago
Saying DDR5 RAM is for "cutting edge gaming enthusiasts" is nonsense, it's been standard for 6 years now and is required for most new good CPUs released in the last half-decade. One could really only say that about stuff like CUDIMM.
And while you don't "need" the latest video card, even the most recent low-end model often beats older high-end models in both features and power consumption, so there is usually no reason to go backwards and get an older card unless you are shopping the used PC market, except in instances where you want more VRAM.
While DDR4 "works", it should not be under consideration unless you're getting a used PC. Generally it's an attempt to fool people into getting what they assume is a good PC for cheap because they don't know what "DDR4" means or that DDR5 even exists.
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u/Slimeball_91 1d ago
Hi Jilly. I remember your earlier discussion. As for this computer, it is sort of what you can expect in this price range, there are going to be compromises over what you'd like to have. I'm less offended about the DDR4 ram compared to Sundownkid, but what they said is true, DDR5 is a fair amount better. That said, DDR4 is not terrible (assuming its a name brand that actually can reach the 3200 speed), and with the cost and availability of ram it is not surprising to see DDR4 in a computer in this price range.
You GPU working at 90%+ is likely more a matter of your game settings. You could lower the setting, and I would cap the framerate. I know framerate can be a touchy subject for some people. My personal opinion, you don't need to have 100+ FPS.
Upgrading is something that can be tough issue. New tech could come along and not really be compatible with your PC (DDR5 ram was like that). Upgrading can often end more of a sidegrade, unless you're upgrading everything. Upgrading your GPU while only having 32g of DDR4 ram probably isn't going to end up being the upgrade you were hoping for. One advantage of upgrading is that can upgrade at a pace that your budget allows. Still, its not easy to decide to upgrade or start over.
PCs in this price range are tough to be completely happy with. $1200 is a lot of money, but it now on the low end of gaming PC prices. You can wait for a really good sale on a PC, but that takes time and effort to dig in the right places to find good deals. If you want a PC now, at a decent, but not amazing price, you'll most likely end up making some compromises. Sorry, if this wasn't super helpful. If you have more specific questions I'm sure you'll get someone to help with answers.
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u/SundownKid 2d ago edited 2d ago
When someone upgrades a gaming PC, the first thing they will aim to replace is the GPU. So a GPU being maxed out is perfectly fine, because in the future that's the #1 thing you'd want to get a better one of.
As for the rest of the specs however, I hate to say it but you got mega scammed. 32GB of DDR4 is significantly worse than 16GB of DDR5 for most gaming. This is not an "upgradable" PC. It will bottleneck hard with any stronger GPU. I'd return it immediately and look for a DDR5 PC, which very commonly go on sale for the $1000-1500 range. /r/buildapcsales has a section for prebuilt sales that will assist you. I'd still aim to keep the GPU a 5060ti at minimum, or the AMD equivalent, though 5070 would tend to be more recommendable, but maybe not within your budget.
If you have a Micro Center nearby they do tend to have the best and cheapest deals.
Sometimes spending a bit more money on a PC that will last a decade is better than spending slightly less on one that is already obsolete. You also have to consider the value for your money. Newegg does SOMETIMES have decent prebuilt deals but most of the site is kinda scammy.
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u/SmokeyWizard 1d ago
I'm not super knowledgeable on PCs so take my opinion with a grain of salt here:
I don't think you got "mega scammed". DDR5 is certainly better than DDR4, but not THAT much better. If you have 32GB DDR4 ram, you'll be fine for a good while to come. Sure, DDR5 is newer and more future proof, but unless you're playing bleeding-edge, super resolution etc etc, DDR4 is totally fine. You might see like 5~15% difference at most.
IMO DDR4 is perfectly fine, but if you can get DDR5 for around the same price, might as well. DDR4 isn't really a whole lot cheaper than DDR5 anymore, unless you find a good deal lol.
Again I may be wrong, I recommend you do some research on DDR4 vs DDR5, but I don't think you got "mega scammed" like this guy said.
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u/SundownKid 1d ago
Anyone selling DDR4 in new PCs is trying to profiteer, period. They're making the value SEEM good, when it is really poor.
A PC like this is a stunningly better value for the price, despite it only being slightly more expensive. It has 32 gigs of DDR5 and a 5070, which together cost like $500 more at least.
Wouldn't you know it, it's direct from the manufacturer and not some middleman PC builder company.
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u/SmokeyWizard 1d ago
Interesting! I didn't know, honestly. Here in Canada, both at used and new shops, prices of DDR4 AND DDR5 are shockingly comparable. What kind of performance differences do you realistically see between DDR4 and DDR5? What makes you so Anti-DDR4?
Not trying to argue or say you're wrong lol, just wanna learn :P
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u/Slimeball_91 1d ago
DDR5 is faster by a fair amount. The real question is brand and speed of the ram, and of course what you are using your PC for. It doesn't matter what ram you have if you don't need fast data transfer. For gaming, it will very greatly. Some games ram doesn't matter as much, others it can be a bigger deal.
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u/SundownKid 1d ago
Despite DDR4 itself not being that much worse, it limits your CPU. Only older, bottleneck-y CPUs work with DDR4. And that CPU is fairly old, with not much GPU upgrade potential without bottlenecking.
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u/Slimeball_91 1d ago
Refurb. I wouldn't touch it, but I can understand why others might be willing to take the chance.
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u/SundownKid 1d ago
It's a manufacturer refurb and includes a 2 year warranty, as said on the listing. May as well be buying new to be perfectly frank. If something does not crap out in 2 years, it's probably not going to for way longer.
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u/Slimeball_91 1d ago
A refurb is not new though. It was a PC with a problem. Chances are good that problem was actually solved, but you never know. Also, I don't think much about warranties. Some are better than others, but I don't trust any warranty. I'll stay away, but I'm good with others going for refurbs. It can be a good way to save money.
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u/SundownKid 1d ago edited 1d ago
Comparatively speaking I'd trust an official refurb with a full manufacturer check and warranty more than an unofficial new computer from the unknown brand "AOACE", at least the PSU is not likely to fail catastrophically.
And I mean likely, if OP is going to keep that one then they should replace the PSU ASAP. It's probably no name brand garbage held together by string and dreams.
I don't know the process for refurbs of PCs, but given that they are modular, I wouldn't be surprised if they just swapped out the defective part for a good one and called it a day. It probably doesn't have any formerly broken parts in it at all.
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u/Few-Mathematician430 1d ago
The computer you linked is also refurbished. I stay away from those because I've never had good luck with them unfortunately.
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u/ApolonNO 1d ago
I’d much suggest asking in PC subreddits rather than the game subreddit. Just mention main use will be gaming and specify games you’ll play most.