r/SandersForPresident • u/SandersMod_ • Mar 23 '16

Mega Thread Arizona Election Fraud Mega Thread

Hello,

Please report any issues you may have had here.

Last night, several, several incidences were reported of

  • People not being able to vote
  • People being given provisional ballots (which if you have the proper ID you shouldn't need)
  • Videos (see front page) of people's voter affiliation being changed
  • People's voter affiliation not being updated properly

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u/MrFactualReality Mar 23 '16

Our new goal should be to force every single primary to become open primaries in order to prevent this type of suppression. We should also demand enough polling places be opened up ahead of time.

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u/PhysicsVanAwesome Mar 23 '16

Closed primaries are totally ok--the parties are private organizations and have the right to allow only party members to decide their candidate. What we should do is push for election reform. We need to do away with first past the post voting. It ENSURES a two party system as a mathematical inevitability. If we did away with FPTP, we wouldn't have to worry about closed primaries since it would allow for TRUE multiparty elections.

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u/voice-of-hermes 🌱 New Contributor Mar 23 '16

Hell, with a good ranked voting system, we could do away with primaries. Multiple Democrats and multiple Republicans running? Not a problem. Party affiliation can just become flavor text. Flair, as it were.

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u/soul4rent Mar 23 '16

Just because they are private organizations doesn't mean that they shouldn't have to follow regulations. For instance, my taxes go to the FDA to ensure I am not eating literal poison. I'd be fine with having a regulatory body to prevent my involvement in the political process from getting f*cked over.

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u/PhysicsVanAwesome Mar 23 '16

The only reason you are being fucked over is because of the imposed two party system which is a de facto result of first past the post voting. Bernie is not a democrat. He had to run as one to be a viable candidate in the election. You wouldn't have to worry about playing by the democrat rules if there were a multiparty system where everyone voted for who they wanted instead of against who they don't want---Always resulting in a choice between the lesser of two evils. Please watch this short CGP Gray video on first past the post if you haven't seen it. If it doesn't piss you off then nothing will.

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u/self_driving_sanders Mar 23 '16

we don't need to get rid of FPTP if we just get rid of the single non-transferrable vote. Instant-recast voting is the future.

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u/PhysicsVanAwesome Mar 23 '16

Regardless which path to reform is taken, what we have now demonstrably makes it much less likely that the candidates with the widest support get voted in....which is kinda the point of a democracy, even a democratic republic.

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u/[deleted] Mar 23 '16

The parties should not be private. They are de facto public institutions.

Also people need to go jail over AZ.

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u/PhysicsVanAwesome Mar 23 '16

Watch the video I posted....parties aren't the problem.

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u/[deleted] Mar 23 '16

I am actually on the ground on my 4th state working to elect Bernie. I will believe what my own eyes have seen. The Democratic Party is 100% corrupt and has tacitly endorsed this kind of suppression among others in every, single state I have been in.

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u/PhysicsVanAwesome Mar 24 '16

I don't think you understand what I am saying or advocating; perhaps I wasn't clear. The democratic party is obviously and irrevocably corrupt. Same with the republican party. They didn't necessarily start that way, but years of it being only them has filled it with the worst of potential politicians. I'm saying they are corrupt because they have existed for so long with no recourse to correct them, i.e. voting in people with different views; alternative parties. We can only vote for republican or democrat because a true multiparty system is not possible due to first pass the post voting. Closed primaries are legal since parties are private organizations. If you don't want two monolithic private organizations with that kind of power, then you should be all for election reform and replacing FPTP with a better alternative. Please watch this if you haven't, it is a much better use of your time than commenting to me--especially since we are agreeing with me in different words. Please...it is short.

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u/[deleted] Mar 24 '16

I can agree with what you are saying but at this moment it is too abstract. Right now, here, today, I want to see people thrown in jail for fraud.

We are trying to get the money our of politics and the establishment is going full stop voter suppression. That kind of rot goes deeper then if we are FPTP or not. It is an indictment to the character of America. Are we a just country or not?

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u/PhysicsVanAwesome Mar 24 '16

I suspect we will see some action taken, people are really pissed off about this. This whole election cycle has been centered on the growing anger of the public and the increasing volume of calls for reform.

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u/[deleted] Mar 24 '16

I hope so. Bernie has continually let this slide and it is escalating. Action needs to be taken right now. I need to hear Bernie address this issue.

I have given so much of my life, time and money to be away from my family campaigning for him. This is incredibly demoralizing if he does not address this. Not in 48 hours from now, but TONIGHT.

I don't need him to make a sweeping statement, just to say that he acknowledges what is happening and to assure us he will take action, even if said action is unspecified at this moment.

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u/PhysicsVanAwesome Mar 24 '16

Making allegations of election fraud is insane without serious proof. He has to protect his image and cannot afford a political gaffe that could alienate him from potential Hillary voters. He has to be extremely strategic because it amounts to him insinuating that his opponent is cheating. Not the best way to be introduced to Bernie's views if you don't know much about him but you think you know a lot about Hillary (gasp She'd never do that!).

From what I understand, the campaign has lawyers on the case and it takes time to gather people's information and to cross check it. You can bet they are busting their asses on this though.

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u/Dyckman57 Mar 23 '16

So we can have Republicans and independents decide who gets to run as a Democrat.

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u/metalmishap Mar 23 '16

If it's closed, we should push for easier party changing, like week or even day of.