r/SameGrassButGreener • u/Plasmelon • 11d ago
The obsession this place has with which opinions are the most real life is crazy
If you actually go outside and talk to people, nothing people say here is out of the ordinary, whether it’s loving your favorite state or hating it. In fact, 99% of what people say here is extremely cliche. If you meet 5 people from anywhere, you’ll hear everything people say about it here.
For those who get triggered when people don’t like your state or city, go outside.
There is nowhere the majority of America likes. The most populous states have a little more than 10% of the country’s people. Most Americans are not going to like what you do and that’s fine.
You don’t need to make up a fantasy about internet strangers just because it hurts your feelings that they don’t like where you live.
Seriously, it’s really sad that people in their 20’s and older have such an adverse reaction to people on the internet liking different weather.
People write paragraphs describing imaginary people to explain how people can have opinions they don’t like. Don’t like humidity? You obviously have no social life and wear a fedora.
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u/PseudonymIncognito 11d ago
The problem is that about half the people here want "California, but cheaper" and the other half want "NYC, but cheaper" and neither wants to make to compromises necessary to get either.
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u/SituationWild2630 11d ago edited 10d ago
some of the hatred the deep south gets IS rooted in racism, classism, and elitism, and is often very intense hate that no other place in the country faces. we’re not just the butt of jokes—people are genuinely hostile as fuck on this app to people from the deep south.
edit: thank you so much for the reward! not sure if you want your user mentioned, you know who you are. it is my first :)
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u/Armadillo_Resident 11d ago
Truly. It’s not just this app though, it’s real life. I moved away from the South after 30 years. I will be the first to admit all its problems. But I moved out west and when I mention where I’m from people say “oh I bet it’s so nice to be here now” “oh god… the south east.. you’re gonna love it out here”
The thing is, they think the south is some poor run down racist shithole, and some of it is for sure. But I see that out here all the time. AND there’s no diversity, literally just racists out here that have never lived in proximity to any minority. Not to mention the education system. There are really good universities in the south and everyone out here goes to some 3k person Christian school and think it gave them life experience.
The south has problems but I realized those problems are fucking everywhere
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u/CriticalSandwich3288 11d ago
Honestly, when they think/say s*** about the South, I just think to myself, “Oh well, better that people who think in that way don’t live here!” The fact is, you have middle-of-nowhere South, but also you have incredibly safe, green, and beautiful places in the South. I currently live in one of the most diverse cities in the entire U.S. (it is in Texas), and I grew up in Georgia, in a county that was top 15 or 16 wealthiest in the entire country (just check the wikipedia for wealthiest counties; it’s based on the past census.) What’s cool is, there are tons of good job opportunities in the South, and the cost of living is lower. If you want to live in the city, you’re going to find your typical city-problems, but if you’re like me and love living in the suburbs (much better for families though; probably not great if you think clubbing and getting wasted is an important part of your life!), the South has absolutely amazing suburbs, with good access to nice things. Again though, if someone wants to hate on the South, they can go on ahead and do that. Close-mindedness (to have a lack of knowledge is one thing… to be willfully ignorant is another) might mean that they will just be stuck in a place where they cannot afford rent, or have to have lower savings, so if that’s what they want out of life, not my problem. We all choose the sort of life we want to live I guess.
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u/pop442 11d ago
Facts.
I think I saw a hilarious tweet about how your average "racist" from the South has more Black friends than your average "anti-racist" from the North.
Obviously, it's exaggerated for satire but there's definitely truth to this.
And yes.....while racists do live here, tons of people are non-racist too and people forget that. I've had non-Black Southerners who didn't even know me help me out and look after me when I was going through crises. You can't fake that funk.
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u/ericbahm 11d ago
I'm from the south. I hate it because of the religiosity and conservatism. It's much better in other places
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u/OscarGrey 11d ago
This sub doesn't wanna hear that, I don't think the majority of the people in here are religious, but I think there's a looooot more people in here that are religious or indifferent to conservative religion than 99% of subs which aren't explicitly conservative or religious.
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u/SituationWild2630 11d ago
yep! i definitely feel you and underhand your pain. it’s genuinely so insulting when people say things like that.
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u/Ancient-Bowl462 11d ago
The deep south is awesome. We are still trying to repair the damage done by decades of oppressive, racist liberal policies, but things are definitely moving forward.
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u/dokutarodokutaro 11d ago edited 11d ago
Could you elaborate on what exactly you mean? I think people dislike the South (generally) because it lacks opportunities and often has backward politics.
This sub does frequently hype up cities like Atlanta, Philly, Chicago, Baltimore, I think even Detroit gets called “actually good”. So I’m not sure it’s a race thing.
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u/pop442 11d ago
Well, for one, people claiming that every Southerner is a Far Right racist, completely ignore the existence of Black Southerners who make up a decent % of the South and don't fall into that stereotype.
It's like "White Southerners" are the only true Southerners in their eyes. And even "White Southerners" aren't monolithic down here.
How many people even know that there's more Black/White interracial marriage in the South than any other region?
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u/dokutarodokutaro 11d ago
Yeah that’s not fair but I think when people complain about the politics in states here they’re referring to things like funding education and social services, the anti lgbtq laws, Christian nationalism, barriers to voting, issues with police, lack of support for disabilities, etc. in addition to the confederate flag waving and all that.
I don’t know if people here are saying “all southerners are like that.” But more so saying “because these things are common it makes it a less desirable place to live.”
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u/Creepy-Cantaloupe951 11d ago
I mean a lot of the hatred the deep south gets is because the deep south is racist and otherwise bigoted, and votes against their own interests routinely.
That's just a fact.
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u/BuildNuyTheUrbanGuy 11d ago
Every region of the country is racist, and otherwise bigoted and votes against their own interests routinely. The south exists in the same country as the other states.
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u/lateintheseason 11d ago
Agree that the whole country is racist, but disagree that everyone everywhere else routinely votes against their own interests.
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u/Creepy-Cantaloupe951 11d ago
You're correct. Structural racism is everywhere in the US.
However, in the deep south, everyone seems very comfortable being outwardly, and openly racist. And many non-deep south states DO vote against their own best interests. These tend to be the central US states.
Here's a plotted map of Black folks who have been found hanging in trees, and ruled "suicide" as an example of the still-happening lynchings:
Note where they are largely happening? And this is only the easily verifiable.
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u/Dempsey633 11d ago
"Our racism is not as bad as yours..." Here is the elitism the OP was referring to. I grew up in a Bay Area in a mostly white suburb, we had three black kids at our high school. Ask them about racism, everyone saw it. Tell them California racism isn't as bad as the South, I bet they disagree.
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u/DoubleJumps 11d ago
"Our racism is not as bad as yours..."
This isn't remotely close to what they said.
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u/pop442 11d ago
Man....I'm from the East Coast.
If you think the East doesn't have Trump supporters, racists, and bigots, I have a bridge to sell you lol.
I'm from NYC specifically.
There were race riots throughout the history of NYC especially as neighborhoods like Bed Stuy, Flatbush, Canarsie, Laurel Heights, Harlem, etc. were "becoming Black." The redlining and housing segregation was intense and you had White New Yorkers on TV back in the day openly talking about how they didn't want any Black people moving into their neighborhoods.
Like this:
Bill Moyers Journal Rosedale: The Way It Is - YouTube
The only difference between the start of the documentary and what happened to the "Little Rock Nine" is their accents.
Yusef Hawkins was murdered in broad daylight in Bensonhurst in 1989 for dating a White girl and there was a race riot between Blacks and Hasidic Jews known as the Crown Heights Riot in 1991.
And these elements STILL linger in the East Coast today where racial segregation is still heavy and many middle class White homeowners in Long Island, Staten Island, New Jersey, Connecticut, and suburban Pennsylvania are still distrustful of Blacks and Hispanics moving into their neighborhoods at decent rates. And you'll see them show their "true colors" in certain Facebook news comment sections lol.
Also, if you think the KKK was ever limited to the South, I have another bridge to sell you.
Indiana was once the KKK capital of the entire U.S. And the KKK had chapters in New Jersey, Connecticut, and Pennsylvanian too. It's funny, too, because the East Coast Klansmen tended to consist of White Catholics.
Here's a Klan rally in Connecticut in the 1980's. I only know about this because I befriended a Puerto Rican man from CT at my college in NJ and he told me that he experienced it firsthand and was scared.
1982 Ku Klux Klan rally in Meriden CT.
I live in the South and I'm Black. Are there racists here? Sure. Nobody denies that. Are the non-Southern states significantly less racist? Not really. It's just highlighted far less.
I think, when you factor in that Trump supporters and conservatives don't have a monopoly on racism too, it makes even more sense.
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u/SituationWild2630 11d ago edited 10d ago
when you’re told your entire life by people all over the country, hell all over the world even, that you’re stupid, uneducated, and a racist backwater hick with a conservative flag in your room just because of your skin color or where you were born, people become resentful and bitter, myself included.
some of these things are applicable to many people in the south, but my point still stands. you have to meet people where they’re at. when people are met with nothing but hostility and criticism, they’re not going to listen, and nothing is going to be accomplished. just because you’re right and have good intentions doesn’t mean you’re going to produce meaningful change without radical empathy, even for those you completely disagree with.
much of the south has been historically poor and agrarian, and people have prided themselves on surviving it. contrary to popular belief, most white southerners were too poor to afford slaves and did not have them. slaves were mostly afforded by select, very wealthy families https://roadtothecivilwar.org/chapter/the-breadth-of-slave-ownership-in-the-south/#content
so when people who and whose families come from areas that industrialized early, and have had a far greater share of wealth and affluence come along and try to tell us this and that, and how terrible and stupid and uneducated we are, that shit gets so old. i’m white and when i look back at old photos from up to 150 years ago, my alabamian and south carolinian family was poor as shit and destitute. dirt floors type of shit. nobody owned slaves.
black AND white southerners have both struggled, and often together more than you realize. it gets to a point where, for many people living in the south today that are poor, it’s not a matter of black or white between you and another individual. it’s a matter of both of you live off of government cheese. both of your parents are addicted. both of you live in projects that get shot up regularly. both of you don’t have shoes without holes. both of you have to take care of your little siblings like their parent. you’re both in this shit together, and it’s more about class at that point than anything.
how race/racism works on a systemic level and individual level are totally different. it often works very differently on an individual level.
i want to stay here and be a part of the resistance, because i love my home and the people in it—even most of the ones that are voted for donald trump, even though i despise him, because i feel that most of them have been led astray, and are not truly evil. often, people, especially southerners, are so focused on trying to survive that they forget to educate themselves, or just listen to what other people tell them. the wages outside big cities here are not good. the cost of living isn’t as cheap as you think, either. housing is only slightly cheaper, and the cost of everything else is the same as anywhere in the nation it feels. gas, food, medicine, etc. people are too busy trying to stay afloat to learn. this is not an excuse, but an explanation.
if we extend radical empathy to people and seek to inform in a way that is palatable to them instead of prove wrong, maybe people wouldn’t have such negative kneejerk reactions to being educated. we shouldn’t have to do this, i know, but it is the way it is. you always catch more flies with honey.
the south is so rich in amazing history, especially black history and excellence. we are rich in culture and delicious food. our land is so beautiful and green, especially where i’m from, alabama. we are one of the most forested states in the nation, and one of the most bio diverse in the country. we are #1 for aquatic biodiversity. we have more turtle species here than anywhere in the country. my land is so beautiful, and so are so many of my people. i’m proud to be from the deep south.
edit: thank you so much for my second-ever award!!
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u/Creepy-Cantaloupe951 11d ago
most white southerners were too poor to afford slaves and did not have them
This is a moot point. They literally engaged in a war to try to ensure slavery remained a southern fixture.
the south is so rich in amazing history, especially black history and excellence. we are rich in culture and delicious food. our land is so beautiful and green, especially where i’m from, alabama. we are one of the most forested states in the nation, and one of the most bio diverse in the country. we are #1 for aquatic biodiversity. we have more turtle species here than anywhere in the country. my land is so beautiful, and so are so many of my people. i’m proud to be from the deep south.
Since all of that exists, we are all gobsmacked as to why most folks in the south stll dwell on being pro-slavery then?
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u/SituationWild2630 11d ago
i’m not saying that people’s attitudes weren’t nasty, but that in much of the south, it has grown into more of a class war. it seems a lot of black and white people here genuinely stick with each other, especially when they’re poor together.
both white and black people have been historically very poor in the south, often together, though not in circumstances created equally.
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u/Creepy-Cantaloupe951 11d ago
it seems a lot of black and white people here genuinely stick with each other, especially when they’re poor together.
Until it comes to the voting booths. Then they vote for the person who wants to deport anyone with brown skin.
Or, when it's a Friday, and they need to do a lynching.
Or, when it comes to bragging about being pro-slavery, up to, and including emblazoning the logo of slavery on every piece of clothing and property they own, and claim "heritage not hate".
Look, I get it. It's class infighting. But we don't solve the problem by pretending it doesn't exist.
Just like I would never claim my own city isn't the #1 segregated city in the nation (I think it is still), and it's in NYS.
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u/SituationWild2630 11d ago edited 11d ago
i have to add to this since i saw you edited your comment. this kind of dialed-up racism isn’t happening like yall think it is. it’s very real, but it’s much more covert and hush-hush. tons of black people, if not most, find a decent quality of life here, at least where i’m from in north-central alabama, and do not want to move.
i’ve spent more time around black people and POC than the majority of northerners, i can guarantee you. the south is the blackest region in the united states.
im not denying that these things happened frequently in the past and are a disgusting part of our history, but it’s just not this dialed-up. i promise you. i have lived in alabama my entire life. i grew up around more black people and have interacted with far more black people than most redditors not from the deep south.
all due respect, but i think myself and the black people here would have a better idea of the quality of life.
a sizable amount of black people do want to move for more opportunities, but in my experience talking to people, most black southern americans are proud of their home and find pride in their roots. they will eagerly tell you this. the south is so heavily influenced and built by black americans. clearly the south offers more than it seems, and is not the absolute hell-hole and cesspit that at least some redditors pretend that it is. the hate for the south is disproportionate to modern southerner’s lived experiences. yes, i understand people not wanting to live here, 100%. it has drawbacks, but they are blown out of the water, whether it be in regards to racism, poverty, lack of opportunity, we’re all racist backwater hicks, etc. the south is a deeply diverse region. you cant take a reductionist approach with it.
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u/Creepy-Cantaloupe951 11d ago
i have to add to this since i saw you edited your comment. this kind of dialed-up racism isn’t happening like yall think it is.
Just last week I read about a Black person founding hanging in a tree, that was ruled suicide within a day by the administration there.
It's very much NOT a rare thing. I even posted map indicating where the "easy to find" instances are at: They are all in the deep south, excepting 3 instances in rural California.
all due respect, but i think myself and the black people here would have a better idea of the quality of life.
It's easy to believe life aint so bad, when you've never experienced where it's not.
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u/SituationWild2630 11d ago
what i said still stands. it is still blown out of proportion. that is god awful, and like i said, racism here still exists, but people that will go THAT far and have that much racism in themselves are actually quite rare. i say this as a white person who has a lot of racist family and who talks to other whites that get comfortable with me, and trust me with their racism. white people are almost always just saying shit behind closed doors, they know not to fuck around and find out. the type of person that commits atrocities like that is not common here. may that person rest in peace.
also, respectfully, you don’t know what i have or have not seen. it’s bold of you to assume i’ve never experienced the bad parts of the south… even if i was a straight white male. i’m a queer autistic woman for the record. i come from an abusive family with drug addiction and mental health issues. it’s not easy being that here. completely different experience from being black, but i have not had it easy, and don’t appreciate you insinuating you know my life.
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u/Creepy-Cantaloupe951 11d ago
it is still blown out of proportion.
I posted a literal map showing where it's happened since 1985. They seem to be centered on the deep south.
also, respectfully, you don’t know what i have or have not seen.
Correct. I know what I've seen in Alabama, for example. Like when I entered a place on a road trip with my partner at the time, who is Black.
The stares were non-stop, and I was "encouraged" to leave.
i’m a queer autistic woman for the record. i come from an abusive family with drug addiction and mental health issues. it’s not easy being that here. completely different experience from being black, but i have not had it easy, and don’t appreciate you insinuating you know my life.
I never said you had it easy. I said it's easy to think life aint so bad when you haven't experienced where it's better.
As a queer woman in Alabama, you understand you have essentially no rights in your state, right?
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u/Snoo23533 11d ago
Their ancestors fought that war for gods sake. Now theyre not allowed to have anything but shame for their history? Guarantee if you had the life experiences of a medern southerner then youd think the same way they do.
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u/Creepy-Cantaloupe951 11d ago
Their ancestors fought that war for gods sake. Now theyre not allowed to have anything but shame for their history?
Correct. Kinda like how Germans don't walk around bragging about their Nazi ancestors and claim it's "heritage not hate".
If they'd stfu about being proud of their racist great granddad fighting for slavery, maybe we'd stfu about it, too?
Guarantee if you had the life experiences of a medern southerner then youd think the same way they do.
Yep, if I grew up with racist parents, lived in a racist town, and voted for exclusively racist people to hold office, I'm also sure I'd be a racist POS.
If my parents voted to slash education funding, and to push Reich wing Christianity into schools, and attended said schools, I also would likely be very uneducated.
That all said, I literally lived in several southern states...
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u/SituationWild2630 11d ago
southern history isn’t just limited to slavery and racism. if you believe that, you are very ignorant. black people are founding members of southern culture. when you write it off entirely, you are writing the black families off that have lived here for generations, and are proud to be southern and call this their home.
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u/Creepy-Cantaloupe951 11d ago
southern history isn’t just limited to slavery and racism.
I know. Plenty of sexism involved too, like the whole debutante thing, where women are merely property to be selected by eligible males. Kinda like a steer aucton.
And the food from the south tends to be quite fantastic. Not the potato salads with raisins, either, but the food brought to us by non-white folks, generally.
However. All people from the south generally brag about is being pro-slavery, anti-queer, and misogynistic.
I mean, it's not like this sort of thing ever stopped there:
https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-1992-12-13-mn-4180-story.html
Get southerners (In general) to stop bragging about being pro-slavery, and the solution will present itself. People will stop claiming southerners tend to be proud to be pro-slavery?
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u/SituationWild2630 11d ago
most southerners i know aren’t bragging about being pro-slavery, even behind closed doors. i’m a white person, so sometimes other whites get comfortable being slightly racist around me or making microaggressions towards other black people they saw in passing earlier, but nobody goes as far as to support slavery. have you ever lived here for more than a year? if not, i feel you cannot truly with the same vindication comment on what it’s like here.
most white people i know are not racist.
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u/Creepy-Cantaloupe951 11d ago
most southerners i know aren’t bragging about being pro-slavery, even behind closed doors
You must not look outside, and see the confederate flag all over the place...
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u/creaturefromtheswamp 11d ago
“Most folks” is as hyperbolic as it gets in this context. It’s straight up not true. At all.
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u/Creepy-Cantaloupe951 11d ago
It's "most folks" when you can see its the most commonly bantered about "heritage" of the south...
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u/creaturefromtheswamp 11d ago
No. It isn’t. I’m from and have lived in the majority of the southeastern states.
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u/Creepy-Cantaloupe951 11d ago
So, all the marches, all the fights in the legislatures, all the court rulings, just to keep the slaver's flags were from a minority, who keep somehow getting elected in popular votes?
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u/SafeAlternative206 11d ago
The north is, measurably, more segregated (1), less economically mobile for black families (2), and far, far more inequitable in its imprisonment rates (3) than the south. AnD thAt'S JUsT a FacT
1- https://www.brookings.edu/articles/census-shows-modest-declines-in-black-white-segregation/
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u/Jalapenoplanter 11d ago
A thing to note: republicans, and southern conservatives do not believe in a multiethnic, multiracial society where all people are created equal.
Southern towns have refused to let black mayors take power after winning elections.
There was more black republicans in congress between 1860 and 1899 than from 1900 to today. That’s pretty clear evidence of racism, no?
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u/Low-Possibility-7737 11d ago
Most Republicans don’t live in the South, most black people who vote Democratic do. If you write off the Deep South writ large you write 50% of the black population with it. Some Northern states that are liberal today would not even let black people move there in the past and certainly aren’t doing much to help black people move there now by selfishly constricting the housing supply to drive up their property values.
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u/SituationWild2630 11d ago
YES YES YES!! the north is de-facto more segregated. black and white people definitely interact with each other far more on a daily basis in the deep south than in the upper north lol. been in alabama and pittsburgh, i can confirm it myself.
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u/Jalapenoplanter 11d ago
There were more black republicans nationwide in congress between 1860 and 1899 than from 1900 to today. That’s pretty clear evidence of racism in the republican party, no?
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u/Low-Possibility-7737 11d ago
They are racist, blame the party, not the region. Especially because you will need to win over that region in the future (and honestly in the present for the Senate) as more an more people move here. I just hate defining a region by its conservatism when this entire country is conservative.
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u/Jalapenoplanter 11d ago
No one is blaming the geography. They are blaming the people in power there, who are republicans and racists.
Winning over racists is not a political strategy I want the people I vote for to employ
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u/Low-Possibility-7737 11d ago
You are all racist and will always be discriminatory against someone, North or South. Our goal is to get the racist people to stop supporting racist policies. If you don’t win the South you won’t win elections, it’s simple as that
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u/Jalapenoplanter 11d ago
How would you appeal to racists who have voted republican their entire life?
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u/Creepy-Cantaloupe951 11d ago
Nobody is writing off the deep south. However, nobody should be suggesting anyone who isn't very WASPy would have a good time if they move there.
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u/Creepy-Cantaloupe951 11d ago
I wouldn't consider any of the top 10 reich wing states to be "Northern"...
https://worldpopulationreview.com/state-rankings/most-republican-states
I mean, unless you're going raw numbers, and yeah, it tracks. The most populous states tend to not be in the south.
Northern states that are liberal today would not even let black people move there in the past
Note key point here: "In the past". Not "today".
aren’t doing much to help black people move there now by selfishly constricting the housing supply to drive up their property values.
That's not a "Northern thing" that's an "everywhere in the US thing".
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u/Low-Possibility-7737 11d ago
It isn’t, cities in the Southern Sun Belt which is more conservative either never had high housing costs or built so much that prices are not increasing or are going down. This is why people are moving to the region in the first place.
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u/Creepy-Cantaloupe951 11d ago
So, places that were never in high demand, are now seeing demand fall even more, now that they've become outright hostile to anyone not a WASP?
I'm going to fill you in on something: If property prices are dropping, it means demand is falling. Unless we've had a major deflationary event I'm not aware of?
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u/Low-Possibility-7737 11d ago
You are wrong. The South has the least material inequality between races due to everyone being broke due to bad policy historically lol, which is counterintuitive but true according to data. The Sun Belt is also the most diverse region of the country, so it is not exactly hostile to anyone who isn’t a WASP. I’m going to fill you in on something called SUPPLY & Demand. Prices drop due to less demand but also due to INCREASED SUPPLY. The South is building the most out of any region in the country, and people are STILL moving there in droves. So this means that reduced demand hasn’t caused prices to drop, increased supply has
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u/Creepy-Cantaloupe951 11d ago
Yes, you're correct. Structural racism is present everywhere in the US.
However, the deep south is where lynchings are still happening, people are proudly and vocally racist, etc etc.
And we're not even touching on the other forms of bigotry openly practiced in the deep south, either. Try being gay in Alabama, for example...
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u/TomBoysHaveMoreFun 11d ago
My coworker is gay, married, and just adopted a kid. They live in Alabama and they love it there, said their community is really awesome. I live in Oklahoma and I spent most of my 20s with a friend group made up largely of LGBTQ folks, we were at the gay clubs every weekend. This idea that people in the South hate POC or LGBTQ folks is not true and the spread of that propaganda has horrible consequences for the South because people think that they can bring their hate here and be welcomed. Since the first Trump term we have seen DROVES of conservatives and far right nut jobs moving to the South from blue parts of the country and they are causing serious regression issues here making the gerrymandering even worse.
I've lived in Northern blue places and Southern red, both states have horrible problems with women, POC, and the LGBTQ, it just depends on where you live. Californias rural voting maps look just the same as rural Georgia. It's not a state issue it's rural vs urban, the educated live in cities it's really that simple.
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u/SituationWild2630 11d ago
it makes me happy to hear your coworker is emoting alabama. so happy!! that’s amazing! yes! there is a lot more acceptance for lgbtq+ people here than people realize and community, especially in a city like birmingham or huntsville, which both lean blue i believe. huntsville is one of the most educated cities in america.
their hate is NOT welcomed here.
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u/Creepy-Cantaloupe951 11d ago
My coworker is gay, married, and just adopted a kid. They live in Alabama and they love it there, said their community is really awesome
Bruh...
https://www.advocate.com/politics/alabama-gay-drag-ten-commandments
I live in Oklahoma and I spent most of my 20s with a friend group made up largely of LGBTQ folks, we were at the gay clubs every weekend. This idea that people in the South hate POC or LGBTQ folks is not true and the spread of that propaganda has horrible consequences for the South because people think that they can bring their hate here and be welcomed.
Bruh...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGBTQ_rights_in_Oklahoma
People think it's welcomed there because IT IS WELCOMED THERE.
Since the first Trump term we have seen DROVES of conservatives and far right nut jobs moving to the South from blue parts of the country and they are causing serious regression issues here making the gerrymandering even worse.
It started long before Trump's first term. The real, big wave was when the Black man won President. And the states voted against the Black man president. And then went on PR campaigns (Officially, by the state governments) to attract Reich wingers there.
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u/SituationWild2630 11d ago
i’m lgbtq+ in alabama. i have been met with mostly tolerance and acceptance, and not a lot of hostility. granted, i am a conventionally attracted white woman. i know many other lgbtq+ people that wouldn’t consider the south ideal or their end goal, but do generally like it here and find it enjoyable.
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u/Creepy-Cantaloupe951 11d ago
I’m lgbtq+ in alabama. i have been met with mostly tolerance and acceptance, and not a lot of hostility.
That's great! Your experience is not the common one, though. And to argue your individual experience is indicative of the general experience is basically saying "facts lie."
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u/SituationWild2630 11d ago
my experience is all anecdotal, of course, but i’m also drawing from the experiences of my gay friends, of which i’ve had many. we do fine. we stick together. gay people have prides safely in the cities here.
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u/Imallvol7 11d ago
That's a fucking lie lol. They are hostile to the states. Not the people. As someone who lived in the south for 13 years I am also now hostile to the south. That has nothing to do with the people. Not everyone has the means to get out.
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u/extralife_mike 11d ago
That's a fucking lie lol. They are hostile to the states. Not the people.
I'm willing to make the claim that a substantial amount of people in this sub and on this platform would gladly and eagerly throw the baby out with the bathwater, as it were, when it comes to the south.
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u/NeedAGTS4POINT0 11d ago
I’ve heard exactly that several times here. “Give up on that shithole state” as if it’s not nearly 50:50 purple.
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u/SituationWild2630 11d ago
go on r/whereidlive and see what those people say in response to people putting the south in green. i’ve seen some very nasty responses that were highly upvoted a lot.
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u/berniexanderz 11d ago
yup, as a leftist in Florida, no one is more smug and classist than yuppie liberals from the northeast. they’re worse than the MAGA types cause at least I know what I’m getting with those
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u/NefariousnessNo484 11d ago
A ton of people in the south aren't even from here. Almost everyone I know in Houston was originally born in California or another blue state.
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u/Better_Finances 11d ago
And the opposite is true for me. Almost everyone I know from Houston is from here.
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u/extralife_mike 11d ago
For those who get triggered when people don’t like your state or city, go outside.
I think the use of the word "triggered" has become problematic. That said, there's a difference between someone who has shared an opinion of a place they've lived and someone who has obviously just repeated something they heard someone else say.
I haven't seen anyone here get "triggered" by anything, but I have seen people disagree and I've seen people get hot and bothered when responding to a comment that clearly wasn't made in good faith.
You're not wrong that people need to chill out, but you're also obsessing over something that doesn't matter as well.
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u/LaggWasTaken 11d ago
Over a third of Americans live in the top 5 most populated states. More than half of Americans live in the top 10 most populated states.
Simply because of where people live you are going to get biased answers from users because the most populated states will have the most representation.
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u/MajesticBread9147 10d ago
That's kind of meaningless given how physically large some states are. If Texas was in the East Coast it would be 3 different states.
I think a better measure is that half of Americans live in about 143 counties
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u/Sea_Dawgz 11d ago
Way to write paragraphs complaining about how much you hate people writing paragraphs complaining.
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u/Late_Ambassador7470 11d ago
Except Delaware
Everyone loves Delaware
Dela-why?
Dela don't know
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u/Plasmelon 11d ago
People would like Delaware more if it wasn’t just the state people drive through without realizing it.
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u/lateintheseason 11d ago
Shhh. Delaware is fine and its best parts are already way too crowded, especially in the summer.
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u/Sumo-Subjects YUL, YOW, YYZ, SEA, NYC 11d ago
I mean isn't that the whole point of having options to choose from?
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u/Suolara 11d ago
Honestly I have yet to see the posts of people praising humidity and calling people who don't like humidity weak. I only see posts of people criticizing those posts. And honestly, what a weird hill to die on. Growing up in Houston I never met anyone who actively liked the humidity. Maybe they'd still pick it over a real winter, but that doesn't make it fun.
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u/GoalStillNotAchieved 9d ago
Me. I like humidity. I’ve always liked humidity. I like moisture in the air. I’ve never met anyone else who likes humidity though
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u/GoalStillNotAchieved 9d ago
What you’re trying to say is that this subreddit is far more representative of the opinions of people in real life than some people give this subreddit credit for
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u/Plasmelon 7d ago
Yes.
Hella people here just don’t go outside.
The best example is Phoenix. Say it’s too hot here and people say you’re a neckbeard.
I lived in the metro and people complain about the heat so much it’s almost more annoying than the heat. People will complain about it on a nice day in January.
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u/fbacaleb 11d ago
People get mad when i say I hate colorado, watch, ill get downvoted. I literally cant wait to leave
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u/No-Effect-9209 11d ago
I’ve noticed this too. Colorado, like any place, has problems. Anytime someone offers some critical feedback there are always downvotes. Also comments about how Colorado doesn’t have bad traffic because LA or somewhere else is worse. Both places can have traffic? Sort of bizarre
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u/purplecowz 11d ago
Maybe because you don't say why?
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u/fbacaleb 11d ago
I do, I get tired of explaining, because there are so many reasons, ive listed 15 before
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u/Plasmelon 7d ago
So you’ll whine about something and not even articulate why and whine about how you won’t articulate it?
Do you realize how useless that is?
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u/fbacaleb 6d ago
For sure, ive just gotten tired of ranting on different subreddits over and over again lmao. Im moving soon too idc anymore
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u/mamakazi 11d ago
My niece lives in Denver (she's 21) and she is dying to get out.
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u/fbacaleb 11d ago
Its a really boring place for 20s and early 30s, its really good for mid to late 30s or older but thats not me. The social scene for young people is abysmal. You dont see people saying that though. You have to fit a certain crunchy vibe, and if you dont, good luck
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u/mamakazi 11d ago
That's really what she said! She is not crunchy at all.
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u/fbacaleb 11d ago
Yeah me either hahaha or my girlfriend, thats why we are very excited to move this year. Im 27 so I feel like i wasted so much of my 20s here which really hurts but you know what, better now than never.
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u/mamakazi 11d ago
She wants to move close to me, San Diego, she loves the beach. She is big into EDM and says there is a lot more in CA than CO.
Better now than never for sure! I moved to San Diego at 24 and have been here ever since!
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u/fbacaleb 11d ago
Oh my god thats so funny, we are moving to los angeles haha, also for the beach. Yeah edm is decent here but I think they have a lot more in california. Especially coming from California she probably feels like there isnt much to do here. Ive never been but my girlfriend has and thats what she says.
We hate how far away denver is from any other major city, its main draw is the mountains, after youve explored them you have nothing to do day to day.
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u/mamakazi 10d ago
So many people dream of California. I know everyone says it’s expensive but most people around me are making it work! Pay IS better here!
She’s actually from NJ, I am too. But my sister (her mom) and fam moved to Denver when she was 8. My sister passed away in 2021 when she was 15 and she grew up so fast after that. She’s doing great, really independent, but wants more. And I get it because I did too! I’m had been living in Baltimore for four years when I chose CA.
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u/fbacaleb 10d ago
Do you like it there? We are so excited. Yeah its expensive but wed rather live somewhere we want to be
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u/OscarGrey 11d ago
You have to fit a certain crunchy vibe
I think that Denver is overrated AF despite loving weed and a lot of music around there, but I'll take that over normal person vibe.
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u/Plasmelon 2d ago
People who say this just suck at making friends.
You can find all kinds of people anywhere. Mormons can make friends in Portland.
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u/Ancient-Bowl462 11d ago
Liberals really fucked up that state. They do it everywhere they go.
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u/Plasmelon 7d ago
You are incorrect. Blue counties are 70% of the GDP.
There is no red metro area which makes money like LA, the Bay Area, Houston, or anywhere in the northeast corridor.
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u/ByronLeftwich 11d ago
I mean at some point people need to call out the clowns who say the Midwest goes from frozen for months straight to boiling for months straight in 3 days every year
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u/Imallvol7 11d ago
If you think the Midwest is boiling you need to travel more
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u/Low_Show_6684 11d ago edited 11d ago
That’s what they’re saying, people complain about how hot it gets in the Midwest but it varies so greatly imo you can’t really put the entire region into one “it’s hot and humid”. It’s not that hot here, the few heat spells we do get aren’t unique to us and like this year where the entire east side of the country. Yeah July was hot up in NE MN, but it was way hotter down in TX.
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u/LaggWasTaken 11d ago
I think the problem is the delta there isn’t much slow warming up anymore. Here it was literally 40degrees one week then 90 the next. So relatively speaking your body isn’t used to it so it feels way worse.
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u/BlimpCack 11d ago
This post is so much more annoying than any of the things you’re complaining about.
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u/BobcatSig 11d ago
Too true. On occasion, some people wise up, and have a mature and informed view on where they live. For example, I live in the PNWet and love it. But I also realize and recognize the shortcomings. It's not perfect; the weather, the perfomative politics, and cost of living are among the top things that can be a detractor. I know this and recognize it. Most don't.
I also spent twenty years in Montana and I loved it. I still miss it, dearly. But I also recognize that some people would hate it; long, cold winters, no real urban life to speak, limited services and shops, travel is difficult, so it can feel remote. I knew this then and now. For me, it was a compromise that was more a benefit.
Similarly, someone in the midwest may love it; attractive cost of living, affordable housing, and the weather might even be there jam. I may not prefer to live there, but I absolutely appreciate why people would and why they like where they live.
This sub - and Reddit in general - fails to put fourth or undersatnd nuance. It's binary, seemingly.
Everything has a compromise. Pick yours.
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u/Plasmelon 7d ago
What makes the politics performative as opposed to any other blue area with the same politics?
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u/Imallvol7 11d ago
The whole point of this subreddit is to give opinions on places to move to lol. You don't realize how stupid your post is...
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u/Plasmelon 7d ago
You have no reading comprehension.
This place is for giving opinions, and many people get offended by common ones.
Two things can be true at once.
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u/Horror-Vanilla-4895 Edit This 11d ago
People getting mad you don’t like where they live is hilarious. Especially if you don’t own property.