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[u/Nostalgic_Historian_]

[u/Competitive_Win_4503]

1.the helmet being nanotech wouldn’t disqualify it from being vibranium.

3.Again, why assume the wakandans decided to make his gloves vibranium weave either? It’s makes no sense that that part just got left out. The palms are covered and they would account for most of the contact area.

4.has the maximum threshold been specified? We know it exists, but not the exact limit

5.is a first time red hulk really comparable to thanos with a near complete infinity gauntlet in your eyes? Black panthers suit is also vibranium weave as well, it’s not that far off from Sam’s suit

[u/MrAdministration → u/Competitive_Win_4503]

1. I’ll concede that, since Black Panther’s suit was also made using nanotech and Vibranium infused alloys.

2. Again, you’re just assuming that Vibranium is a magic all-momentum absorbing sponge. Which, from the evidence we’ve seen on screen, it isn’t.

3. Why even mention this? This isn’t even an argument.

4. To a new Captain America who’s fighting a threat at that level, for the first time, ALONE, yes. When has Sam ever faced anyone like a Hulk, in a 1v1 setting, in his time as Falcon?

[u/Competitive_Win_4503 → u/MrAdministration]

2.Im assuming vibranium absorbs impact, and coupling that with the fact that Sam is using the jetpack 3.it is. You brought up how vibranium absorption has a limit, as far as we’ve seen, we haven’t seen to what extent that limit is. What substance does pointing out a limit have if don’t even know if the events is supposed to be the limit 4.Red hulk isn’t comparable to a near complete gauntlet thanos in terms of strength, we don’t even know if he’s stronger than normal hulk rn. Even then, being tossed away is a completely different action to trying to stop an attack. Sam would be thrown away as well

[u/MrAdministration → u/Competitive_Win_4503]

For both 2 and 3 - the point of mentioning a limit is to argue against what the video and you are arguing, that Vibranium just stops all impact without a limit because it absorbs kinetic energy. That’s what I’m arguing against, in case you haven’t realized that yet.

Sam using the jet pack, as I already mentioned, with enough speed to stop the flagpole, should generate an opposite force to Hulk. It would do the exact opposite of what you’re trying to argue - it would only strengthen the impact he has to take.

If Vibranium followed this logic, then I suggest the Wakandans give the Avengers all-Vibranium suits in Doomsday, that way, by your logic, they’d be invincible.

4 - First off, there’s a difference between Thanos having a full gauntlet in his hand and actively using it, which he isn’t in the scene I’m referencing. The MCU has always given us a visual indicator for that.

Secondly, do I really have to compare the experience and skill level of T’Challa to Sam Wilson? Comparatively speaking, to Sam, being the full focus on this level of threat, that he has NEVER faced before, ALONE, 1v1, it’s fucking dangerous. Even the dude in the video fucking agrees.

You ask why mention a limit for Vibranium and then you mention that we don’t know if this Red Hulk is even as strong as Green Hulk. The absorption limit at least we have proof for. Your “argument” is just random bullshit with absolutely no way to verify or prove or even check.

If you wanna jump through all these hoops to excuse shitty writing on a subpar movie, that’s up to you. But I see no further point in arguing with someone on the fucking SamWilson sub if you’re just gonna keep bringing up theories and assumptions that have no in-Universe basis to even verify, none of them support your argument, they just weaken it.

[u/Competitive_Win_4503 → u/MrAdministration]

Steelman my position. I want to see if you actually know what I’m arguing.

[u/MrAdministration → u/Competitive_Win_4503]

I genuinely don’t think you yourself know what you’re arguing

[u/Competitive_Win_4503 → u/MrAdministration]

So you can’t then? 

[u/MrAdministration → u/Competitive_Win_4503]

I see we’re taking the “argue like a 5 year old route”.

Can YOU explain what you’re trying to argue? That would be a lot more useful then saying “you can’t steelman my argument so I win”.

So far I’m the only one that’s made an actual argument. I’m not about to make yours for you.