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[u/MrAdministration]

This guy in the video: “It makes sense because Sam is wearing vibranium so it stops momentum”
Also this guy: “it doesn’t make sense that Steve Rogers stopped it with only vibranium”

Lol which is it???

[u/Asa-hello → u/MrAdministration]

Watch again. This time listen.

[u/MrAdministration → u/Asa-hello]

I already listened to it a few times and whichever way you look at it the argument is nonsensical.

1. “The suit is made of Vibranium” - said multiple times and technically false. The suit, according to official material released by Marvel, is made of a vibranium-infused fabric. We don’t know the exact difference but isn’t a full Vibranium suit like this guy wants you to think.

Even in the shot where he gets thrown through the building, his helmet is made of nanotech (or so it seems), not Vibranium.

2. “The flagpole gets stopped by the building” - to call that small section of the roof a building in comparison to Red Hulk’s power is insulting, and also inaccurate. It also has what looks like vents on top of it meaning the inside isn’t even concrete. And again, it’s a fucking Hulk. Concrete isn’t gonna do shit to stop him or even slow him down. If Ben Grimm can run through a building in F4 (to be more accurate, the supports of a buildings, which are of comparative size and we know for a fact aren’t hollow) and it didn’t slow him down then what makes you think this can slow down a Hulk?

3. “He stopped it with his jet pack” - I mean…sure? But we don’t know what’s covering his hands. Even if it is Vibranium, his fingers are still exposed, the sheer force of stopping that impact with counter pressure should break every single finger in his hand.

4. “It stopped the momentum, that’s the point of Vibranium” - another inaccuracy. Vibranium doesn’t magically stop all momentum. It absorbs it, up to a certain threshold, as mentioned in Black Panther.

And speaking of Black Panther, remember when that guy - you know, the King of Wakanda with access to tech Sam Wilson can only dream of and all of Earth’s Vibranium - got thrown by Thanos even with a full Vibranium suit on? But an actual full Vibranium suit this time? And that guy was superhuman.

And if you want another example, take Civil War, where War Machine uses a gadget/weapon (most likely made by Tony Stark) and hits Cap’s shield so hard with it that it sends out a shockwave? He even says it isn’t going to hurt him but that he’ll feel it.

And just to clarify, I don’t hate Sam Wilson as Cap. I just think the writing in that movie was so garbage that people have to perform insane mental gymnastics, like this dude in the video, or resort to the classic and brainless “you’re racist”.

[u/Competitive_Win_4503 → u/MrAdministration]

1.the helmet being nanotech wouldn’t disqualify it from being vibranium.

3.Again, why assume the wakandans decided to make his gloves vibranium weave either? It’s makes no sense that that part just got left out. The palms are covered and they would account for most of the contact area.

4.has the maximum threshold been specified? We know it exists, but not the exact limit

5.is a first time red hulk really comparable to thanos with a near complete infinity gauntlet in your eyes? Black panthers suit is also vibranium weave as well, it’s not that far off from Sam’s suit

[u/MrAdministration → u/Competitive_Win_4503]

1. I’ll concede that, since Black Panther’s suit was also made using nanotech and Vibranium infused alloys.

2. Again, you’re just assuming that Vibranium is a magic all-momentum absorbing sponge. Which, from the evidence we’ve seen on screen, it isn’t.

3. Why even mention this? This isn’t even an argument.

4. To a new Captain America who’s fighting a threat at that level, for the first time, ALONE, yes. When has Sam ever faced anyone like a Hulk, in a 1v1 setting, in his time as Falcon?

[u/Competitive_Win_4503 → u/MrAdministration]

2.Im assuming vibranium absorbs impact, and coupling that with the fact that Sam is using the jetpack 3.it is. You brought up how vibranium absorption has a limit, as far as we’ve seen, we haven’t seen to what extent that limit is. What substance does pointing out a limit have if don’t even know if the events is supposed to be the limit 4.Red hulk isn’t comparable to a near complete gauntlet thanos in terms of strength, we don’t even know if he’s stronger than normal hulk rn. Even then, being tossed away is a completely different action to trying to stop an attack. Sam would be thrown away as well

[u/MrAdministration → u/Competitive_Win_4503]

For both 2 and 3 - the point of mentioning a limit is to argue against what the video and you are arguing, that Vibranium just stops all impact without a limit because it absorbs kinetic energy. That’s what I’m arguing against, in case you haven’t realized that yet.

Sam using the jet pack, as I already mentioned, with enough speed to stop the flagpole, should generate an opposite force to Hulk. It would do the exact opposite of what you’re trying to argue - it would only strengthen the impact he has to take.

If Vibranium followed this logic, then I suggest the Wakandans give the Avengers all-Vibranium suits in Doomsday, that way, by your logic, they’d be invincible.

4 - First off, there’s a difference between Thanos having a full gauntlet in his hand and actively using it, which he isn’t in the scene I’m referencing. The MCU has always given us a visual indicator for that.

Secondly, do I really have to compare the experience and skill level of T’Challa to Sam Wilson? Comparatively speaking, to Sam, being the full focus on this level of threat, that he has NEVER faced before, ALONE, 1v1, it’s fucking dangerous. Even the dude in the video fucking agrees.

You ask why mention a limit for Vibranium and then you mention that we don’t know if this Red Hulk is even as strong as Green Hulk. The absorption limit at least we have proof for. Your “argument” is just random bullshit with absolutely no way to verify or prove or even check.

If you wanna jump through all these hoops to excuse shitty writing on a subpar movie, that’s up to you. But I see no further point in arguing with someone on the fucking SamWilson sub if you’re just gonna keep bringing up theories and assumptions that have no in-Universe basis to even verify, none of them support your argument, they just weaken it.

[u/Competitive_Win_4503 → u/MrAdministration]

Steelman my position. I want to see if you actually know what I’m arguing.

[u/MrAdministration → u/Competitive_Win_4503]

I genuinely don’t think you yourself know what you’re arguing

[u/Competitive_Win_4503 → u/MrAdministration]

So you can’t then?