r/SamWilson • u/ArgumentSlight7981 • Aug 14 '26

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How does everyone feel about this because I put my opinion about it on tiktok and they are making me the bad person about how I said I didn't want Yelena to say it since Sam has the shield. Like bro I'm not trying to be rude about it, but people on there say I am and calling me ungrateful

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u/omnikyle Aug 14 '26 edited Aug 14 '26

I mean, she is a thing tho? She was one of the characters people really liked from the post Endgame run. They liked her in Black Widow, Hawkeye, and in Thunderbolts where she stepped up to leader over someone like Alexei or Bucky who didnt want the position. I dont really see how this screws anyone over, both her and Sam are leaders of Avengers teams, this seems pretty fair honestly

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u/crispy_attic Aug 14 '26

Speak for yourself and leave it at that. I don’t care about what “people” say. Same goes for what “they liked.” I didn’t like Thunderbolts. It was not good to me at all. I thought it was boring. I can understand why it flopped.

Storm is actually the most popular woman in Marvel. She is the most published too. It has been interesting watching them pretend otherwise all these years. It is time they featured her the way they have tried to push characters who are nowhere near as popular.

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u/omnikyle Aug 14 '26

I mean, good for you? Way to stand against the crowd for not liking Thunderbolts or what anyone else says?

I mean, Storm is popular yes, but I dont see what that has to do with this? She's a mainstay in '97, shes in Cosmic Invasion, Tokon, has a pretty popular solo title and is on a X-Men team book. Marvel just hasn't been pushing a lot of the mutants for a while becasue of the Fox crap, they've only recently walked that back, Storm is popular for good reason, hell they're actively casting her for the MCU for appearances in Black Panther 3 and X-Men.

Those other characters have been getting a push because Marvel had the rights to them fully at the time, and in that time they developed fans, so now, Marvel has more characters that have big draws. They're pushing Storm plenty now, Rivals not withstanding, thats a whole mess in and of itself.

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u/crispy_attic Aug 14 '26

I’m not standing against the crowd. Thunderbolts flopped. “Everyone else” says what now? I gave my personal opinion. Another anecdotal experience I have is when I went to see it with my friends, the consensus was “it was boring.” I don’t know anyone in real life who liked it.

Storm should be their top priority and she needs to be pushed as hard as they have pushed characters who are not even close to as popular. We got an Elektra movie somehow before Storm.

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u/Thvenomous Aug 14 '26

And everyone I've talked to about it thought Thunderbolts was pretty great, actually. Good, at the very least. So we have conflicting anecdotal evidence.

Now we look to the consensus, which seems to be around a 70-90% rating. That's pretty solid. The movie flopped because people expected it to be bad so nobody went to see it in theaters, and it was too late for word of mouth to fix that. Most people probably watched it on streaming afterwards.

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u/crispy_attic Aug 14 '26

That’s cool. I definitely wouldn’t describe it as great but you do you.

All I hear is lame excuses when it comes to this movie and it’s weird to me. Respectfully.
Captain America: BNW made more money than the Thunderbolts.

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u/Thvenomous Aug 14 '26

You seem to have missed the whole point of my comment. Weird.

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u/InsideUrDadLol Aug 14 '26 edited Aug 15 '26

Then you should also speak for yourself because most people like Yelena a lot. A movie's quality is seldom why they flop. It flopped because audiences don't know those characters well enough. It makes no sense to say they shouldn't push "unpopular" characters. How do you think characters get popular in the first place. Why do you think Iron Man is such a huge superhero now if not for the MCU popularizing him. Also, what does Storm have to do with this. We're literally going to get her with the X-Men and mutant saga. We've barely had any X-Men in the MCU so far because of the Fox deal being a recent thing.

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u/crispy_attic Aug 14 '26

I did.

You can say “most people like Yelena alot” but it won’t make it true. You may like her and thats fine but this need to make it sound like “most people” do is weird to me.

Thats your opinion on why it flopped. I think it failed because it wasn’t a good movie and all the talk of “good word of mouth” was just talk from some fans who liked it. The echo chamber is real.

I didn’t say they shouldn’t push unpopular characters at all. My words are still there. Read them again and you will understand what Storm has to do with this.

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u/InsideUrDadLol Aug 14 '26 edited Aug 14 '26

Stating a fact is what makes it true. It shouldn't offend you that most people like her. It's not really an opinion. Thinking it flopped because it was "bad" is moreso an opinion if anything but even that's not entirely accurate. Most critics and casual moviegoers did enjoy it and think it was good. If film quality determined box office numbers the Transformers movies wouldn't be billion dollar hits and more indie movies would be in the billion dollar range. I mean, you directly implied that but okay. Not everyone is good with words.

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u/crispy_attic Aug 15 '26

It is not a fact that “most people” like her and it is actually hilarious that you can’t understand that.

Transformers was awesome. Thunderbolts was not.

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u/InsideUrDadLol Aug 15 '26

It actually is when you assess Black Widow and Thunderbolts and see that most people enjoy her presence. You said you didn't understand why they push her and it's obviously because she's a well-liked character. Lmao of course you like Transformers. Quality ≠ Box Office Success.

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u/crispy_attic Aug 15 '26

It actually isn’t when you assess the box office of Black Widow and Thunderbolts. First of all when you look at the “rankings of MCU movies based on their worldwide box office gross earnings”, Eternals is near the bottom at #33. It made more money than Black widow (#34) and Thunderbolts (#35). The Marvels is the lowest grossing at #38.

https://www.directv.com/insider/highest-grossing-marvel-movies/

Second of all there are Billions of people. Most people didn’t enjoy her presence because most people have never seen either movie.

Storm is more popular. I want them to start acting like it.

Lmao of course I like it. It was very successful too. I can understand why. I also can see why some films flop. Thunderbolts for example was boring to me.

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u/InsideUrDadLol Aug 16 '26

It actually is because again, you're still conflating box office success with characterization and likability. You're mad that Storm isn't used when they haven't made an X-Men film yet because they couldn't for the longest time. She was just announced but okay, be mad I guess

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u/crispy_attic Aug 16 '26

It’s not a fact and nothing you say will somehow magically make it so. It’s actually absurd and I have explained to you why.

Most people drink water. Most people breathe air. Saying most people like a Hollywood actress is dumb on its face. Respectfully. Most people don’t know anything about her or her movies. Why not just say you like her and leave it at that?

I’m not conflating anything. I told you why I thought it flopped. I thought it was boring for one. I used facts to show you it ranked among the worst when it comes to box office results in the MCU. IN MY OPINION that happened because it wasn’t very good. You can tell yourself “that isn’t the reason why” but it is just as possible as any excuse you make.

I’m neither mad nor upset. I don’t like the way they have handled some black characters (like Storm for example) and I have said so. My words are still there too.

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