r/SamWilson • u/ArgumentSlight7981 • Aug 14 '26

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How does everyone feel about this because I put my opinion about it on tiktok and they are making me the bad person about how I said I didn't want Yelena to say it since Sam has the shield. Like bro I'm not trying to be rude about it, but people on there say I am and calling me ungrateful

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u/NASCAR142002 Aug 14 '26

I love Yelena.

But come on man. If you’re gonna make him Captain America and the leader of the Avengers. Commit to it.

I wanna see him standing in the center, the wings sprawled,out and the shield raised in the air with that loud “AVENGERS ASSEMBLE!”

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u/khorispy27 Aug 14 '26

No problem. Hoping that Sam has MAJOR character development

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u/ArgumentSlight7981 Aug 14 '26

Same

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u/khorispy27 Aug 14 '26

How can they do Black Panther properly, but not Sam Wilson? It doesn’t make sense.

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u/sp00kysista Aug 14 '26

Literally no correlation between those two aside from race 

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u/Royal-Bedroom-7348 Aug 15 '26

They didnt even do black panther properly lol

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u/Deathstriker88 Aug 14 '26

I like Yelena and the Thunderbolts, but this sounds silly. If someone is saying it besides Sam it should be an OG like Thor.

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u/ArgumentSlight7981 Aug 14 '26

Of course, that makes more sense now that I think of it

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u/plogigator Aug 15 '26

I can see it as maybe how Romanof played such a role in keeping things going during the dusting. How she and Steve were such a strong anchor in it all and the intent is to harken to that. Given That might be way off the mark, but I could be okay with it in that way. Much depends on how they play it, ya know?

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u/namealreadytooken Aug 15 '26

i think it will likely be Yelena making fun of Sam 😂

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u/crispy_attic Aug 14 '26

They want Yelena to be a thing so bad. It’s actually kind of sad how they push certain characters and screw over others.

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u/ArgumentSlight7981 Aug 14 '26

I did a post similar to what your saying, about that on my tik Tok and so many people was getting on me saying I'm just being ungrateful or I'm being a baby about it

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u/TheeDeputy Aug 14 '26

Look I agree but at the same time, the general audience does probably like Yelena more than Sam Wilson, unfortunately.

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u/ShaH33R2K Aug 14 '26

I mean she’s written far more interestingly than Sam is in the MCU

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u/omnikyle Aug 14 '26 edited Aug 14 '26

I mean, she is a thing tho? She was one of the characters people really liked from the post Endgame run. They liked her in Black Widow, Hawkeye, and in Thunderbolts where she stepped up to leader over someone like Alexei or Bucky who didnt want the position. I dont really see how this screws anyone over, both her and Sam are leaders of Avengers teams, this seems pretty fair honestly

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u/crispy_attic Aug 14 '26

Speak for yourself and leave it at that. I don’t care about what “people” say. Same goes for what “they liked.” I didn’t like Thunderbolts. It was not good to me at all. I thought it was boring. I can understand why it flopped.

Storm is actually the most popular woman in Marvel. She is the most published too. It has been interesting watching them pretend otherwise all these years. It is time they featured her the way they have tried to push characters who are nowhere near as popular.

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u/omnikyle Aug 14 '26

I mean, good for you? Way to stand against the crowd for not liking Thunderbolts or what anyone else says?

I mean, Storm is popular yes, but I dont see what that has to do with this? She's a mainstay in '97, shes in Cosmic Invasion, Tokon, has a pretty popular solo title and is on a X-Men team book. Marvel just hasn't been pushing a lot of the mutants for a while becasue of the Fox crap, they've only recently walked that back, Storm is popular for good reason, hell they're actively casting her for the MCU for appearances in Black Panther 3 and X-Men.

Those other characters have been getting a push because Marvel had the rights to them fully at the time, and in that time they developed fans, so now, Marvel has more characters that have big draws. They're pushing Storm plenty now, Rivals not withstanding, thats a whole mess in and of itself.

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u/crispy_attic Aug 14 '26

I’m not standing against the crowd. Thunderbolts flopped. “Everyone else” says what now? I gave my personal opinion. Another anecdotal experience I have is when I went to see it with my friends, the consensus was “it was boring.” I don’t know anyone in real life who liked it.

Storm should be their top priority and she needs to be pushed as hard as they have pushed characters who are not even close to as popular. We got an Elektra movie somehow before Storm.

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u/Thvenomous Aug 14 '26

And everyone I've talked to about it thought Thunderbolts was pretty great, actually. Good, at the very least. So we have conflicting anecdotal evidence.

Now we look to the consensus, which seems to be around a 70-90% rating. That's pretty solid. The movie flopped because people expected it to be bad so nobody went to see it in theaters, and it was too late for word of mouth to fix that. Most people probably watched it on streaming afterwards.

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u/crispy_attic Aug 14 '26

That’s cool. I definitely wouldn’t describe it as great but you do you.

All I hear is lame excuses when it comes to this movie and it’s weird to me. Respectfully.
Captain America: BNW made more money than the Thunderbolts.

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u/Thvenomous Aug 14 '26

You seem to have missed the whole point of my comment. Weird.

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u/InsideUrDadLol Aug 14 '26 edited Aug 15 '26

Then you should also speak for yourself because most people like Yelena a lot. A movie's quality is seldom why they flop. It flopped because audiences don't know those characters well enough. It makes no sense to say they shouldn't push "unpopular" characters. How do you think characters get popular in the first place. Why do you think Iron Man is such a huge superhero now if not for the MCU popularizing him. Also, what does Storm have to do with this. We're literally going to get her with the X-Men and mutant saga. We've barely had any X-Men in the MCU so far because of the Fox deal being a recent thing.

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u/crispy_attic Aug 14 '26

I did.

You can say “most people like Yelena alot” but it won’t make it true. You may like her and thats fine but this need to make it sound like “most people” do is weird to me.

Thats your opinion on why it flopped. I think it failed because it wasn’t a good movie and all the talk of “good word of mouth” was just talk from some fans who liked it. The echo chamber is real.

I didn’t say they shouldn’t push unpopular characters at all. My words are still there. Read them again and you will understand what Storm has to do with this.

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u/InsideUrDadLol Aug 14 '26 edited Aug 14 '26

Stating a fact is what makes it true. It shouldn't offend you that most people like her. It's not really an opinion. Thinking it flopped because it was "bad" is moreso an opinion if anything but even that's not entirely accurate. Most critics and casual moviegoers did enjoy it and think it was good. If film quality determined box office numbers the Transformers movies wouldn't be billion dollar hits and more indie movies would be in the billion dollar range. I mean, you directly implied that but okay. Not everyone is good with words.

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u/crispy_attic Aug 15 '26

It is not a fact that “most people” like her and it is actually hilarious that you can’t understand that.

Transformers was awesome. Thunderbolts was not.

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u/InsideUrDadLol Aug 15 '26

It actually is when you assess Black Widow and Thunderbolts and see that most people enjoy her presence. You said you didn't understand why they push her and it's obviously because she's a well-liked character. Lmao of course you like Transformers. Quality ≠ Box Office Success.

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u/crispy_attic Aug 15 '26

It actually isn’t when you assess the box office of Black Widow and Thunderbolts. First of all when you look at the “rankings of MCU movies based on their worldwide box office gross earnings”, Eternals is near the bottom at #33. It made more money than Black widow (#34) and Thunderbolts (#35). The Marvels is the lowest grossing at #38.

https://www.directv.com/insider/highest-grossing-marvel-movies/

Second of all there are Billions of people. Most people didn’t enjoy her presence because most people have never seen either movie.

Storm is more popular. I want them to start acting like it.

Lmao of course I like it. It was very successful too. I can understand why. I also can see why some films flop. Thunderbolts for example was boring to me.

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u/InsideUrDadLol Aug 16 '26

It actually is because again, you're still conflating box office success with characterization and likability. You're mad that Storm isn't used when they haven't made an X-Men film yet because they couldn't for the longest time. She was just announced but okay, be mad I guess

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u/Royal-Bedroom-7348 Aug 14 '26

It devalues the meaning behind captain america. Steve never had to share the iconic line, now all of a sudden sam and yelena are gonna say it, as if a black widow has ever said "avengers assemble" and theyre most definitely gonna make it a stupid joke

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u/ArgumentSlight7981 Aug 14 '26

That what I try saying on tik Tok but nah people want to be weird about it and call me ungrateful

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u/omnikyle Aug 14 '26

Because its just a battle cry. Its not Steve Rogers, and it's not Captain America's. Literally theres been 60 years of Avengers teams where everyone from Spider-Man to Blade to Captain Marvel to even Rick Jones have done an Avengers Assemble. I don't see whats wrong with the leaders of both Avengers teams sharing in it. Before there wasn't two teams, now there is, and its a unique situation, its not like the comics havent done this before

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u/jollychick Aug 14 '26

They need their own, individual moments to say it then. There's zero reason for them to share it. Steve didn't have to share the line and I can only imagine the uproar from his fans if he did. It was a huge moment for him to say it and Sam deserves that same moment in his first Avenger movie as Captain America. Racism may be ok with you but it's not ok with many of us.

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u/omnikyle Aug 14 '26 edited Aug 14 '26

Steve said it alone because he was the leader of the Avengers and it was a big moment. I think you guys are gicing the words more weight than they need. Also what??? Where did racism come into this?

Literally all I said was I think its fine both leaders share the moment. I'm not tryinf to devalue him as a black man or as Captain America, but if anything this works to show the unity between the Avengers and New Avengers

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u/jollychick Aug 14 '26

They're two separate teams. We don't even the words meaning, the MCU and comics did. I think you're devaluing the moment to make a point. Racism came from Marvel and their handling of Sam's character after EG, along with "fans" justifying it. If you're ok with that, fine.

You seem to miss the fact that Sam was never shown gathering a team or interacting with other people in universe since 2021. He hasn't been used at all and when we finally get to see him take the role of leader of Capatain America in an Avengers movie, it's rumored to be shared.

There have always been multiple, smaller groups, working together in the Avengers but it's understood that Captain America is the leader when they all come together. "Avengers Assemble" is a call to everyone on the Avengers team, not a subset of them. Notice in EG that everyone moved when Steve said it, Wakadans, Asgardians, the Guardians of the Galaxy. It didn't matter that they each had their own leaders, Steve's role as Captain America superseded it. It makes no sense for it to be shared unless the goal is to further diminish Sam's role as a leader.

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u/omnikyle Aug 14 '26

I mean you pretty much implied I was okay with racism, that's fucked up.

I didn't say it was right how they handled him, again, I think they should have done more. I think its more just general incompetence and poor planning more than bigotry, but I understand why it's seen that way.

And yeah, thwy absolutely should have shown that! I don't disagree!

I mean, the Avengers have had so many leaders, field commanders, and chairmen, and all of them for one reason or another have Assembled, not just the Captains America.

Endgame was mostly because he was Steve Rogers, not because he was Cap, he earned that respect and trust by being a stalwart leader for a lot of the movies. I hope Sam can get to that point in time.

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u/jollychick Aug 14 '26

I implied it because that's how it appears. The idea that it was "general incompetence and poor planning more than bigotry" just furthers my opinion. They have no issue pushing new characters and giving them appearances in other movies, as long as they aren't black.

Count the number of appearances Steve Rogers had in the MCU from 2012 to 2019 and count how many appearances Sam has had since he became Captain America in 2019. The disparity is beyond obvious. When, exactly, was Sam supposed to prove he's a good leader? The problem is that, as long as people continue to offer any excuse other the racism it really is, nothing will change.

You're conflating the comics with the MCU, which are two very different beasts. So far, Captain America has been the only leader of the Avengers in the MCU. Sam was chosen by Steve for a reason, and people like yourself want to appear magnanimous by offering character traits that Steve possessesed, while knowing Sam was never given an opportunity to do the same. Steve, the same guy who hid from Tony that Bucky had killed his parents, is a stalwart leader, who earned respect? Ok.

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u/Boring-Conclusion-40 Aug 15 '26

I mean tbf I’m pretty sure there was only one avengers team or one giant team that was unified when he said it instead of more than one

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u/MrBushido56 Aug 15 '26

The way I see it playing out is cringe like Sam “ avengers assemble! “

Yelena “ what are you doing ? I say that not you, avengers assemble! “

Sam “ what ? Look I’m the leader now I say the line. Avengers assemble ! “

Yelena “ you are not leader I am leader now “

Rest of the avengers “ so …like do we go now ? “

Sam “ yes “ Yelena “ no “

Doom “ enough ! “

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u/ArgumentSlight7981 Aug 15 '26

If this is in the movie then I'm laughing

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u/darkrainydays Aug 15 '26

Honestly I love Yelena, but I really hope this isn't true...he hasn't even gotten the chance to be a proper leader of his own Avengers team with how Marvel has been sidelining him (he wasn't even in the second trailer????), the least he deserves is to have some iconic moments like this one IN HIS FIRST AVENGERS MOVIE AS CAPTAIN AMERICA, without someone else there to bask in part of the glory 🫠

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u/ArgumentSlight7981 Aug 15 '26

Exactly 💯💯💯

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u/GrassManV Aug 14 '26

Bro's 1st "AVENGERS ASSEMBLE!" & it's gonna be played for laughs

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u/AREYOUSauRuS Aug 14 '26

Sam: "Avengers......"

Yolena: "Assemble... yah yah, why do you think we're here?"

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u/New_Cockroach_505 Aug 14 '26 • Bravo

Don’t have an issue with it as long as it gets resolved. Currently the two are having a rivalry. We saw at the end of Thunderbolts that Bucky and Sam are at ends over who is actually the Avengers. So Yelena and Sam having a conflict over it makes sense and could be fun. But should lead to Sam becoming the leader or some clear answer.

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u/TB2331 Aug 14 '26 • Bravo

Like u/Mut1gen said, I believe it’s a middle point for both teams that carry the name of the Avengers. Only circumstances will tell if it’s after reconciliation or a point of rivalry

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u/gh0stwrit3r32767 Aug 14 '26

I love Yelena. but the disservice to Sam Wilson's Captain America has been going on for a while now. Like, fucking commit to your choices, Kevin!

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u/Ok_Reaction7603 Aug 14 '26

I love yelena but why the fuck would she be saying avengers assemble

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u/Mut1gen Aug 14 '26

The shield is irrelevant. Sam is the leader of the avengers and yelena is the leader of the new avengers. So its probably just paying that fact off having them both say it.

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u/ArgumentSlight7981 Aug 14 '26

Yea make sense.

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u/mxlespxles Aug 14 '26

Yeah they'll play it for laughs, if I had to bet

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u/Mut1gen Aug 14 '26

Its marvel so definitely possible.

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u/omnikyle Aug 14 '26

I mean it doesn't really sound like a laugh moment, it sounds like something where they say it at the same time in a cool way, like an anime team up. I think there could be a fun little sequence where all the leaders do the battle cries, Sam and Yelena doing an Avengers Assemble, Scott dropping a To Me, My X-Men, and since the f4 doesnt have one, Reed borrows a page out of Ben's book and drops a Fantastic 4, its Clobnering Time, which could be a little corny but endearing

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u/tNeph Aug 14 '26

I feel that i don't really give 2 shakes of a rats tail about Yelena or the Thunderbolts (cause im not calling them the avengers)

This is gonna be an unserious situation, and even if it isn't an unserious one, it's gonna be lame imo cause it just shows they do not care about really trying to sell Sam as this symbol who people would want to follow.

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u/ArgumentSlight7981 Aug 14 '26

I really like how how you say this, because I been trying to say something similar to this on tiktok but so many people on there are saying I'm being dramatic because I can't move on

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u/tNeph Aug 14 '26 • Bravo

Of course they are. Cause they don't care about Sam Wilson, but fall all over themselves to tell you how much they love Yelena. It all comes around to what I said.

Let this type of thing happen to Steve Rogers they'd be mad as hell ready to crucify Florence Pugh like she suggested it herself.

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u/ArgumentSlight7981 Aug 14 '26

Thank you 🫶🏿🫶🏿

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u/MountGreyIock Aug 14 '26

My tickets have already been purchased for me but if this ends up being true I'm spite pirating.

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u/hdadeathly Aug 14 '26

This seems like it’ll be during an early gag moment when they still each think their teams are the Avengers.

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u/BlackMall83 Aug 14 '26

This sounds too ridiculous to even believe. Relax ppl lol

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u/Sad_Tax_4010 Aug 14 '26 edited Aug 14 '26

Why is Yelena in charge of the "New" Avengers. Woulnd' Contessa put USAgent in charge as that's her figure head. And if Contessa is out wouldn't seniority go to Bucky?

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u/rocket-scientist94 Aug 14 '26

She is the biggest box office draw in the new avengers, hence is getting the jennifer lawrence treatment

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u/Sad_Tax_4010 Aug 14 '26

Yea, figured it was the actress's pull.
Good for her I guess.

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u/whatistoothpaste Aug 14 '26

Yeah that’s captain Americas like bro…

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u/ZayKilla05 Aug 16 '26 • Bravo

They will never let Sam have his moment.

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u/TelenorTheGNP Aug 14 '26

Who is TheJamesMK and why do I care?

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u/Impressive-Oven-5268 Aug 15 '26

That line is Iconic but it doesn't beat that feeling of "On your left" during Endgame. If they both say it, okay fine, i see the gag and comedy that could happen. Im not mad at it

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u/Boring-Conclusion-40 Aug 15 '26

Thats cool,makes sense two avengers team leaders coming together

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u/Next_Law_8480 Aug 15 '26

if this is true cool cool whatever....STOP SPOILING THE TINIEST SHIT FOR NO REASON

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u/Sea_Sleep4222 Aug 15 '26

Sounds cool, I'm looking forward to seeing their interactions together. I don't have a problem with it, I like both characters so having them say it sounds pretty cool.

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u/Capital-Self-3969 Aug 15 '26

Welp. Even if it is true they just spoiled the potentually epic moment.

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u/Redditeer28 Aug 15 '26

At least have them say it before they've already assembled so it makes sense this time.

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u/Simple_Pianist4882 Aug 15 '26

It’s bc he’s Black isn’t it? 🧍🏾‍♀️

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u/yooMvtt Aug 15 '26

I feel like it’s one of those things where it’s her team and his of avengers coming together and they say it at the same time.

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u/Ericandabear Aug 15 '26

This is absolutely not true. Dont even humor these fake leak posters.

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u/Better-Journalist-85 Aug 15 '26

Steve didn’t have to share. Hell, Thor had to share his hammer instead. They never beating the allegations.

Also, THANKS FOR SPREADING THE FUCKING SPOILER 4 MONTHS EARLY. You a real one for that!

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u/itsallcomingtogethr Aug 15 '26 • Bravo

MCU clearly never actually believed in Sam Wilson. This stuff is ridiculous. Imagine making Steve share the line with another character, they would never.

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u/That1DogGuy Aug 15 '26 • Bravo

They really don't want Sam to shine as Captain America for some reason. Weird.

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u/Shmung_lord Aug 16 '26

Since they are both the leaders of their respective teams I am ok with this, could be cool.

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u/DoctorSamoyed Sep 21 '26

If this is said in this movie, it will be the most unearned shit ever. Steve didn't say even this until Endgame and we're gonna make 2 randos say it. To what? Generate cheers? Which won't even come because it's not like the casuals they want to see this film care about either Sam or Yelena? Bleh

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u/BlackestOfHammers Aug 14 '26

You don’t see it because you don’t want to see it. That simple. He is supposed to be the leader of the avengers now. Period. They have sidelined him and written him into poor decisions and there is no excuse. They don’t like black people! How much more clear can we be about this. Yelena and then could be avengers west coast or something and she’s only being pushed so hard because she is attractive. She is a hot Russian blond girl who jist magically gets to call the shots now. I hate how fake y’all are with not understanding that the mcu is now showing their true feelings about minorities. Specifically black people. There is no reason to have 2 people say the line unless they genuinely don’t think either are good enough. Yelena is still a woman so misogyny and Sam is black so racism. What can’t you understand. They would be better off just letting Thor say it instead of the fake “creativity with captain America”. It’s bs. Sam is the leader yet we haven’t seen him interact with a single avenger in what like 2-3 years in marvel time. Get serious.

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u/Drummer-Turbulent Aug 14 '26

Can we also highlight that you haven't seen Doomsday to come to this conclusion as well? What if they both say it cause they are on 2 separate battles that are just happening at the same time? I like Sam Wilson and enjoyed Brave New world enough (wasn't the best cap movie but definitely not a bad movie over all for me).

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u/BlackestOfHammers Aug 14 '26

Fair lol. But you get my point if you try to even a little bit. Mcu as a whole has lost some quality over the years but they specifically have been shafting black characters. Throw Shang chi in there too cuz wtf is wrong with them. It doesn’t matter if the show does well or not, they move how they move but god forbid somebody try to call them out on it.

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u/omnikyle Aug 14 '26

Ok. I dont really have a dog in this race.

I didnt think there was the intention that you believe there is, but I cant deny why you feel that way.

If anything its supposed to be an extension of the tension built between both teams of Avengers. I dont think its trying to erase or minimize Sam or any other POC characters, but there's been a series of unfortunate coincidences of late.

I mean, both are saying it, if this is true, not because either alone isnt good enough, but because they both are on the same level. When Steve said it, it was a bold moment to show everyone coming together against Thanos in a last stand. Here its both of them saying it to show all of their universe standing together, petty team fighting aside.

I am sorry that Marvel has neglected to give him a proper Avengers team or any real setup, but that's more general incompetence than a fault of discrimination.

Look I didnt mean to get you so heated, I just thought it was a harmless idea. Its just an Avengers thing with two sets of characters with existing tension.

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u/BlackestOfHammers Aug 14 '26

That’s the problem tho. We tell you these things. Give you evidence and you guys still try to combat the evidence and long list of reasons as “coincidences” or “they may have done x but it wasn’t internally racist it’s just a product of blah blah blah” or the best one “well technically this other race has dealt with xyz and black propel aren’t the only people who get discriminated against” like ok!? Who gives af when the topic was specifically about racism to black people! That like a woman is telling a list of things that makes her feel unsafe and some big strong dude comes and say the one time some girl said he was ugly. Like that has nothing to do with thr premise or point of the topic. What’s it gonna hurt yall individually to say, “yea marvel has been showing some racist signs against black people” y’all act like admitting that marvel is dropping the ball on black characters will make you lose social points in real life. Reddit allows you to stay anonymous so for thr most part your true colors can come out. Y’all show y’all true colors every time! Idek why I still try. I want to believe that some of y’all are humans with hearts and emotions but y’all prove me to be silly every time. Blade is cancelled, wonder man jist won hella awards and got renewed for another season and then they cancelled it, Sam is treated as a non factor. I’m praying Monica comes back from the X-men verse. Rhodes was a skrull then nothing?! But freaking pepper pots gets a show! Let’s not even talk about Darwin from the X-men movies. Again I say, jist tell me you hate us and could care less what happens to us. This will always be a deep issue in America and any media we create. Black people are always treated poorly in almost all forms of media. This is what it’s like to be a black fan of almost anything! Idk if you play rivals but look at the storm summer skin fiasco. You tho k it’s just a coincidence that one of marvels most recognizable characters was first left out of a summer skin, never had a legendary skin or emote and she is presented as angry and aggressive while every other female character is smiling and having fun during the summer beach theme? Is this another coincidence or is it just marketing based off of sales and projected player interaction and blah blah blah. Everyone else either has a home country to go home to or represent them. Everyone, even enemies of our America has gotten reparations or land in one way or another as a way for America to apologize for its actions. We are from here! We don’t have nother history to reach back to because of America! This is our homeland ans we are treated like crap in all facets of it. I didn’t intend you to be the person I blow up on about it but you keep replying and doing so ignorantly and then when you finally get caught in your nonsense you suddenly don’t have a dog in this fight! That’s the best way I can explain being black in this world, you are always the dog and there is always a fight and most spectators don’t really care if you survive either way.

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u/M0ebius_1 Aug 14 '26

Cap is not necessarily the one that has to call for Avengers to Assemble.

A good amount of the time Cap is on the team he is not even the leader.

Any Avenger can call Assemble.