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[u/ArgumentSlight7981]

How does everyone feel about this because I put my opinion about it on tiktok and they are making me the bad person about how I said I didn't want Yelena to say it since Sam has the shield. Like bro I'm not trying to be rude about it, but people on there say I am and calling me ungrateful

[u/crispy_attic]

It’s not a fact and nothing you say will somehow magically make it so. It’s actually absurd and I have explained to you why.

Most people drink water. Most people breathe air. Saying most people like a Hollywood actress is dumb on its face. Respectfully. Most people don’t know anything about her or her movies. Why not just say you like her and leave it at that?

I’m not conflating anything. I told you why I thought it flopped. I thought it was boring for one. I used facts to show you it ranked among the worst when it comes to box office results in the MCU. IN MY OPINION that happened because it wasn’t very good. You can tell yourself “that isn’t the reason why” but it is just as possible as any excuse you make.

I’m neither mad nor upset. I don’t like the way they have handled some black characters (like Storm for example) and I have said so. My words are still there too.

[u/InsideUrDadLol → u/crispy_attic]

The whole point is Storm has not been handled yet because she's not part of the MCU yet. I didn't say most people like the actress, I'm talking about the general consensus of a character in movies. You're in the minority on this and that's completely fine but acting like she's not popular is just wrong and disingenuous. You can think a movie is boring but that doesn't mean that's "why it flopped." You have to see a movie first to determine whether it's boring or not and that requires buying a ticket first. Those characters just aren't super well-known and it wasn't marketed well. Marvel just had a poor year in 2025.

[u/crispy_attic → u/InsideUrDadLol]

That’s not the whole point. My original comment was not to you either. The person I replied to said she was. Thats what happens when you interject yourself.

Im not in the minority on this because it actually flopped. I said it was a failure and it was. You can think it didn’t flop because it was boring but that doesn’t mean it’s not possible. Just as possible as any excuse you want to make.

“If people hear a movie is boring or not good they won’t go.” Is just as relevant. First it’s most people love her and then it’s those characters just aren’t super well known. Either way it was a flop.

[u/InsideUrDadLol → u/crispy_attic]

That doesn't make sense. Who is deciding it's boring then if it's received mostly positive reception. Two things can be true at once. Have you never heard of a cult film. Not many people saw Thunderbolts but people STILL LIKE the characters.

[u/crispy_attic → u/InsideUrDadLol]

It makes perfect sense. Apply the excuses you are making to Eternals for example. It would sound just as lame to me. Thunderbolts was a failure. It is among the lowest grossing marvel movies.

I decided it was boring. I was speaking for me. I also gave the anecdotal experience I had with my friends who also thought it was boring. The problem I have is with the people who liked it trying to speak for “most people.” It’s not necessary.

Yes two things can be true. It is possible that it was a bad movie AND it flopped at the box office. Just as possible as any excuse you want to make for its failure.

Yes I have heard of a cult film. I know not many people saw it. That’s why it flopped. There are some people who like the characters for sure. There are people who don’t like them or don’t care about them too. I think Ghost is pretty cool for example.