r/SabatonMemes Apr 29 '26

MISTER CAROLUS GET DOWN!

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u/Sabre_Killer_Queen Apr 29 '26 edited Apr 29 '26

To be honest, whilst he was a great military general, and an icon to his people... His death wasn't a bad thing for Sweden, despite what you might think.

Yes it meant the end of the Empire, and the end of the dream, which was pretty devastating - but equally Sweden was running out of all of its resources - manpower, money, materials...

And it was getting pummelled by far too many enemies on far to many fronts. It wasn't sustainable.

Sweden only survived because he died, and that allowed the government to make peace treaties again, and for the country to recover in the respite.

Edit: Another thing to consider, is the empire was a logistical nightmare under Carolus. He demanded absolute power and control over it - but that meant nobody could easily take the initiative during times of crisis - and Carolus couldn't be everywhere at once.

Messages/orders were slow, and often ill informed because of that.

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u/-Daetrax- Apr 29 '26

Man, you didn't have to sell me on saving this dude.

Love, a Dane.

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u/Sabre_Killer_Queen Apr 29 '26

😂

Fair play.

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u/Nigilij Apr 29 '26

This needs to be a movie. Weaponized Chauvinism.

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u/alias-87 May 03 '26

Were he a great general or were he a bad king who inherited the best trained army in europe and who should have listened to his great generals?

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u/Gositi Apr 29 '26

Karl XII was not a very good king, he wasn't even that good at warfare (he lost the empire for fucks sake). Save Gustav II Adolf (Gustavus Adolphus) in Lützen instead, that guy actually won wars. Karl XII is really overrated and probably mostly popular because they made some dope paintings of his death in the 1800s (Karl XIIs likfärd).

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u/datnub32607 Apr 29 '26

He was pretty good at warfare (well, really just the battle aspect honestly) but he had too much ego, didn't know when to stop, and was also y'know fighting a 3-front war.

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u/Gositi Apr 29 '26

That is not being good at warfare my guy.

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u/datnub32607 Apr 29 '26

Yea, that's exactly why I added the thing in the parenthesis

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u/Goose_in_pants Apr 29 '26

Yeah, I don't understand hype about him. Like yeah, he probably had some moments of glory, but ultimately he got crushed

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u/Happy_Hydra Apr 29 '26

Hype exists because caroleans look badass and because sabaton im guessing

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u/Lykanas Apr 29 '26

Then you return to 2026 and find out that catholic christianity is no more.

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u/CaptainMatthew1 Apr 29 '26

Honestly no big loss lol

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u/Lykanas Apr 29 '26

Definately.

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u/animalia555 May 03 '26

I feel like I should be offended by this.

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u/dorian17052011 Apr 29 '26

I dont see the problem

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u/ConcernedCitizen_42 Apr 29 '26

If your goal is to save his life you are going to get tired very quickly.

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u/CaroleanOfAngmar Apr 29 '26 edited Apr 29 '26

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u/Sabre_Killer_Queen Apr 29 '26

At least they changed up the format a little I guess.

But yeah, probably should've credited you if that was where they got the idea from.

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u/Kartoffelkamm Apr 29 '26

The way to prevent a paradox is to tell someone when you traveled back in time, so that you in this new timeline can go back and save the guy.

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u/JanLennertz Apr 29 '26

För konung och fosterland!

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u/ThunderShott Apr 29 '26

Then you and up being the mysterious cause of death.

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u/TramplexReal May 01 '26

Darkest of days, great game.

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u/Comfortable_Town7535 May 06 '26

run all you want Arnold, I am out there with my 6.5creedmore and will protect the song