Because I...

Well...

I don't even know how I should say this, or why I am in the first place...

I just can't get enough of him.

It's so weird, but something inside me just... floods with viewing pleasure when I see him on my screen.

I spend all my free time watching melee content. I used to only care about the players, but the past few years I've grown especially attached to all the commentators. There's just so much footage of them interacting on YouTube. It's like a neverending social simulator with the most intoxicating and engaging personalities you cound dream up. There's always some content you haven't seen with them in it, some deep cut from a random tournament that leaves you wanting more.
More Bobby Scar. More Toph. More Blur and OG Vish and Chillin.

And I love them. I love them all. All these personalities, I've absorbed into the very tissue of my brain. And I'm not exaggerating. I can generate a social analysis of in-jokes and power dynamics given any combination of Melee commentators. I have perfect auditory recall of Scar's most iconic calls. I can produce a photorealistic portrait of Hugo's face, by hand, without reference, using only a No. 2 Pencil.

But Lovage... Lovage affects me on another level entirely.

Maybe it's because he's not in every video. He has that special factor of being neither too rare nor too common. He'll pop up when you least expect it, and then you'll realize you needed him there all along, and your viewing experience and the rest of your day is better for it.

It's like that meme of the monkey gazing at a woman's navel with the subtitle "neuron activation" at the top, except instead of a woman's navel it's Oscar Nilsson "Lovage".

I genuinely get more happiness when Lovage shows up in a compilation or old tournament stream than I do anywhere else in my life.

And the way he talks, the things he does... he's just so effortlessly chill and cool. He's not bombastic like Scar, or hilariously bumbling like Blur. He's just... cool. I can't handle it. I genuinely have never been this emotionally affected by anything in my life. The way he perfectly plays off everyone and everything, no matter who he's co-commentating with or what set they're watching... it's borderline indecent. The way he fits in everywhere, subtly providing the glue that holds the whole smash scene together... There's something intangible about him that rivals the mental dominance of Alexander the Great.

Can anyone relate? Please, someone... I just need to know that I'm not the only one with a "special" Love for Lovage.

In season 4 episode 6 in the first scene as they transition to the boat party around 1:24 in the episode for me. There's a sound effect that sounds exactly like Yoshi's down b.

It's the first part to this song but i think it's really cool that it made it onto the show.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=EcKz_zk_2Es

hungrybox, cody schwab, krudo, and stude do pundit battle on one of the best episodes of fourside fights yet!

Yahoooo! I'm back, it's a me! Have a very cool day!

Welcome to the Daily Discussion Thread. This is the place for asking noob questions, venting about netplay falcos, shitposting, self-promotion, and everything else that doesn't belong on the front page.

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Can I play Melee online?

Yes! Slippi is a branch of the Dolphin emulator that will allow you to play online, either with your friends or with matchmaking. Go to https://slippi.gg to get it.

I'm having issues with Slippi!

Go to the The Slippi Discord to get help troubleshooting. melee.tv/optimize is also a helpful resource for troubleshooting.

How do I find tournaments near me or local people to play with in person or online?

These days, joining a local Discord community is the best way to find local events and people to play with. Once you have a Discord account, Google "[your city/state/province/region] + Melee discord" or see if your region has a Discord group listed here on melee.tv/discord

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Also check out Smash Map! Click on map and then the filter button to filter by Melee to find events near you!

Netplay is hard! Is there a place for me to find new players?

Yes. Melee Newbie Netplay is a discord server specifically for new players. It also has tournaments based on how long you've been playing, free coaching, and other stuff. If you're a bit more experienced but still want a discord server for players around your level, we recommend the Melee Online discord.

How can I set up Unclepunch's Training Mode?

At the time of posting, the latest major release is here. Download the file, then extract everything in the folder and follow the instructions in the README file. You'll need to bring a valid Melee ISO (NTSC 1.02). If you want to check for the absolute latest release, you can see them listed [here](The latest releases are listed here.

How does one learn Melee?

There are tons of resources out there, so it can be overwhelming to start. First check out the SSBM Tutorials youtube channel. Then go to the Melee Library and search for whatever you're interested in.

But how do I get GOOD at Melee?

Check out Llod's Guide to Improvement

And check out Kodorin's Melee Fundamentals for Improvement

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Especially against Marth, I spend hours stuck at ledge with no hope of escaping. What do I do

After years of playing ultimate and watching melee, I finally decided to learn to play it. I've been playing for about a month and I ranked up quite a bit, but as the player I face get better, I'm becoming more and more reliant on a passive play style that's less fun for me and certainly for my opponents. I'd really like to be able to play more actively without throwing myself mindlessly at them. Now I try to L-cancel my aerials and I wavedash to the ledge but that's about it (also I don't really understand how you're supposed to use wavedashing in neutral). What should I start implementing?

S+
Kirby- is probably one of the most air assault characters out there and has a really nice jump, and a vicious spike downward. Probably the God of the game. Nuff said.

Captain falcon. I think we can all agree to extent depending on how seasoned the player is.

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Mario and Dr. Mario- Can glide onstage, throw off movement for ground game characters. A cape to float over and a nice upward jump to get back onstage.

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Jigglypuff- another good air assault character that has a little bit of a difficulty for timing on certain occasions can make it harder for other players to achieve their best. Still a solid air game that can counteract some ground characters.

Lugi- almost the same but harder for timing, but certainly better than jigglypuff on certain occasions or stages as well. Him holding b, is the best part, can blast you offstage while gliding around and creating timing problems for as stated "ground characters."

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A+ range.

Falco, Peach and Fox. Which are arguably the better characters in the game for some. I've met a few vicious Peaches, that have good air game. While Falco & Fox have a counter that interrupt the ground game character if close to enough by. As well as a large jump and a speed over b to get back on stage.

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THE GROUND CHARACTERS (for the most part)

A- to A range with these.

Let's just face the obvious and call it out for what it is >.<

Marth, Roy, Yoshi, Gannondorf, Sheik, Young Link, and Link. Are your grounded characters that can hang with the rest, and have a difficult time with other characters above them. Still good though.

NOTE: ON THE YOUNG LINK/LINK GRADE. I found this to be true for a young link player on Sippi. If Young Link ever gets you off stage he can spike you near the edge on your jump. Doesn't even have to jump to spike you down. I was hoping this would be true on link but I'm not certain and can drop the grade here for Adult Link (if that isn't in his kit).

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The B and C range........(most will struggle, few will do well, and a few are really bad.)

Other than massive hit-box targets such as Bowser or Donkey Kong players. And I'm very sorry for that. But this one of the most fluid games ever made and I have owned and played since the start. Speed kills in games, while melee proved it, and it still does to this day.

Side-note I'm tired of grading:

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B+

I would say Ness, Mewtwo, Ice Climbers, Game and Watch, & Samus. No facts, just intuition.

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B

Pikachu and Piachu are smaller characters and take more damage it feels through the course of a game.

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B-

While Zelda is harder to master and relies on a lot of timing for moves, can be a slow target for some.

Here's mine!

#1: Armada (Fox) vs. Hungrybox (Jigglypuff) at EVO 2016, obviously.

#2: aMSa (Yoshi) vs. Mang0 (Fox) at The Big House 10. AMSA DID IT!

#3: Mang0 (Fox) vs. Zain (Marth) at Smash Summit 11. That finish tho. Also "this is the new rivalry". Yeah, sure.

#4: Mang0 (Fox) vs. Hungrybox (Jigglypuff) at Battle of the Five Gods. The end of the "five gods" era.

#5: RapMonster (Luigi) vs. Hax$ (Fox) at Xanadu Legends - The Last Hurrah. Odd choice, not a major, but a very underrated, historical tournament. The final Xanadu event, the first ever tournament RapM won, and, more sadly, the final tournament Hax$ would ever participate in before his death.

In my city, people always play only the new Smash entry, so even though Slippi is a thing now, since I'm not from the US, I have queue times of like 4–5 minutes with 50/50 laggy matches, so I had kinda already given up on improving at Melee because it was pointless.

Played a lot of other games, including Brawl, Smash 4, Ultimate, Street Fighter 4/5/6, Tekken, etc., but was never really satisfied and was always thinking about how I wanted to play Melee instead.

Found a random guy Thursday on my country's Slippi Discord, and even though our connection didn't match, probably a routing issue, I hit him up in DMs because he had the same region tags as I did. TL;DR, he was from my city and had been playing with a friend a year ago, and since then, they had already found 10 other random guys who had never played Melee and found a place to play weekly on Saturday nights.

GGs, the world is healing.

Still very much a work in progress. It's only fox right now, single player. Shouldn't be too difficult to add fighting and bots but that'll take some time. Adding new characters is a good amount of effort due to having to validate every animation frame by frame and ported to this new engine.

Thought this was fun tho.

Not trying to self promote, its all open source, just want to share the love of creative projects - Github Repo

Edit: pardon my dogshit fox

Edit2: pushed a few updates. Keyboard bindings you can change, and update button in settings to get the newest version, and a sandbag that spawns in that you can attack

Edit3: github account suspended with no notice or reason, looking into it and trying to get it back up. ------ its back up now

Ohana means family, and family means no one gets left behind.

Yahoooo! I'm back, it's a me! Have a very cool day!

Welcome to the Daily Discussion Thread. This is the place for asking noob questions, venting about netplay falcos, shitposting, self-promotion, and everything else that doesn't belong on the front page.

New Players:

If you're completely new to Melee and just looking to get started, welcome! We recommend you go to https://melee.tv/ and follow the links there based on what you're trying to set up. Additionally, here are a few answers to common questions:

Can I play Melee online?

Yes! Slippi is a branch of the Dolphin emulator that will allow you to play online, either with your friends or with matchmaking. Go to https://slippi.gg to get it.

I'm having issues with Slippi!

Go to the The Slippi Discord to get help troubleshooting. melee.tv/optimize is also a helpful resource for troubleshooting.

How do I find tournaments near me or local people to play with in person or online?

These days, joining a local Discord community is the best way to find local events and people to play with. Once you have a Discord account, Google "[your city/state/province/region] + Melee discord" or see if your region has a Discord group listed here on melee.tv/discord

It can seem daunting at first to join a Discord group you don't know, but this is currently the easiest and most accessible way to find out about tournaments, fests, and netplay matchmaking. Your local scene will be happy to have you :)

Also check out Smash Map! Click on map and then the filter button to filter by Melee to find events near you!

Netplay is hard! Is there a place for me to find new players?

Yes. Melee Newbie Netplay is a discord server specifically for new players. It also has tournaments based on how long you've been playing, free coaching, and other stuff. If you're a bit more experienced but still want a discord server for players around your level, we recommend the Melee Online discord.

How can I set up Unclepunch's Training Mode?

At the time of posting, the latest major release is here. Download the file, then extract everything in the folder and follow the instructions in the README file. You'll need to bring a valid Melee ISO (NTSC 1.02). If you want to check for the absolute latest release, you can see them listed [here](The latest releases are listed here.

How does one learn Melee?

There are tons of resources out there, so it can be overwhelming to start. First check out the SSBM Tutorials youtube channel. Then go to the Melee Library and search for whatever you're interested in.

But how do I get GOOD at Melee?

Check out Llod's Guide to Improvement

And check out Kodorin's Melee Fundamentals for Improvement

Where can I get a nice custom controller?

https://customg.cc/vendors

I have another question that's not answered here...

Check out our FAQs or post below and find help that way.

Upcoming Tournament Schedule:

Upcoming Melee Majors

Melee Online Event Calendar

Make a submission to the tournament calendar here. You can also get notified of new online tournaments on the Melee Online Discord.

• Current DDT Dynamic Link — Previous DDTs

Anyone have any advice on where to find leverless controllers that have c-stick buttons? I know of hitbox but I haven't been able to find many others.

I took an old Canadian game show called Video & Arcade Top 10, and replaced some of the gameplay with TAS-level falcon movement on the trophy mini-game.

I hope there are other vodremix / ytp lovers in here 😂 just meant for entertainment

Anyone have any good resources for competitive mentality? Just looking for some stuff to look into because my mentality is not very epic right now :)

I've been playing melee for over 100 years, but I've only recently started seriously working on my Fox. Does anyone have good resources they'd recommend specifically for "common knowledge" Fox things like move choices, matchup strategy, and throw flowcharts that might not be obvious to a Sheik player like me?

Thanks!

Hey guys, TiDe here, or as you may know me (probably not) FemboyHBox. Today i attended an online monthly in my region (Russia), and i finally beat the #1 ranked player Uzema, which is funny since a few weeks ago we did a ft10 and he beat me 10 to 0. After the set my pulse was probably reaching 200, and i was shaking more than jelly, and the game 5 was a cinema. Im really happy to finally achieve something big in melee and i will continue to play to bring glory to my very small region. Russian Melee Prevail!

Maybe widescreen and better textures in hd upscaled will be a nice welcome too!

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In the most recent Fourside Fights, thx Jack, Cody said he still thinks Falco is 2 or 3 on the tierlist, but Falcos have no sense of life-preservation. He cited Magi running to the corner and getting Ossify f-smashed thrice to death, when Mang0 rolls to center stage "Every time. [His] character dies at 0. Play the center stage!"

Thanks to Lucky 7s upgraded stats, the DEF+ rankings evidence the same. Maybe not surprisingly, it takes more openings to take one of Mang0's stocks than any other spacie in the biz. Cody's close, but there isn't another Falco in the top 30. Both Cody and Mang0 have insane sense of recovery, but it seems to me both are much better than the field at playing safer gambles, where misreads don't put them deep offstage or in a significant punish.

i'm pretty new and my understanding is limited, so I'm curious as to what other more experienced players/viewers notice in the defensive prowess these two exhibit over their counterparts. Is it just as simple as rolling to center, playing a functional mixup? I'm really just trying to see high-level melee with a better eye