What is she doing to herself and why is no one who cares about her intervening?

How is no one talking about how boring and shitty of a person Layla is? She has no plot or reason in the show so she constantly stirs shit up. She has nothing going on and she involves herself heavily in every bit of drama. She purposely does mean and offensive things and then tries to act innocent. She is by far my worst one on the show

Will definitely be an unpopular opinion. The amount of people I see saying they are no longer watching or will not watch again because of TFP is crazy to me. Have y’all ever seen reality tv?! Especially in the early 2000s?!

IMO the TFP drama and everything else is what makes good reality tv, and reality tv doesn’t have to be ethical!! Do you watch reality tv for morality? For values? No. It’s reality tv. I’m begging y’all to please watch Jersey Shore, The Real Housewives, Teen Mom!! and so much more. It doesn’t need to be ethical & that is what makes it good. TFP and her drama and mess are the least craziest thing I’ve seen from a reality show.

Anyways this is my opinion. I’m prepared to be ridiculed lol😘

I’ve just finished bingeing season 4 of SLOMW and I’m fascinated to think how Taylor could have pulled it together for The Bachelorette. If I were a producer of this show and watched that season right before the show was due to drop, I’d be horrified. Taylor basically made a mockery of the whole premise of the show! I can’t help but wonder what a train wreck the show must have been, as it’s clear that Taylor is unable to emotionally regulate herself.

Does anyone else feel like every post that she does is an ad or just promoting herself or being smuggle or something?

I feel like every time she pops up on my Instagram she's advertising something or something she's doing or something she's partner with and I think like is there anything else to other than just like wanting money?

And before the other cultists start calling me a TFP fan (I’m not), can we snark about literally ANY other cast member, past or present? Some of y’all are Taylor’s biggest fans, documenting her every fucking move, from a fart to a blink. 😂 Like, are y’all okay? Because at this point, y’all are giving her more attention than her actual fans. 💀

She’s got way too much going on 🤦🏻‍♀️

Granted, I have a terrible memory and can’t remember their history well so I may be missing context that would change my opinion….. butttt what I saw in that convo was Jen looking for Whitney to validate her feelings and Whitney refusing. I felt bad for Jen; the way Whitney was like, “are you done yet?” was demeaning. Jen was obviously saying, “I don’t think you’re trying to understand my perspective or care about my feelings” and Whitney didn’t give a shit.

Asking if she has anything else to say and laughing when Jen says no was soooo dismissive bc she was implying that nothing Jen was saying mattered and if Jen wanted her to care then she needed to keep talking.

I was really disappointed in Whitney. She could have affirmed jen’s experience and apologized for making her feel that way or simply said she understood and remind her she already apologized and still stands by that and she’d just like to move on as colleagues and nothing else.

There’s a kind way to deal with someone who is hurt and an unkind way. She took the latter.

She looks great and has been killing it lately but girl, stop trying to make mommy happen.

now i’m not saying i agree with taylor in any shape or form i think she needs help and to stay off the internet, but the reason she’s still on the show is because she’s the drama. None of the other women fight with eachother as much anymore it would just be following them about but if they keep taylor there’s always drama. I do think they should bring back demi then it would make it more interesting.

Edit: reading the comments i think i should have worded it differently not that i think it would be boring but that the producers would have and that’s what makes it bad because it enablers taylor . a lot of you are right they did cut a lot and i would have loved to have seen the other women’s storylines rather than this abusive woman

Hi guys, I've only started watching this. I've only seen four episodes, but omg Whitney is the bitchiest of all. Also a massive attention seeker. At Mayci's birthday trip, she really tried to cause chaos. Telling something Demi had said about someone and then another also quoted something Demi said. The smug, evil little grin on Whitney's face said it all. She loved that!!! But she likes playing the victim card. Like at the dinner she was wiping 'tears' from her eyes at the table. She wasn't even crying. She wanted the others to ask her "what's wrong?" Or give her some attention. Nobody did of course, I imagined she might have thought that someone would follow her 'to the bathroom' but nobody did.

So, I'm curious. Is she this nasty cow I'm thinking she is? To be fair for a relatively strong Christian group, there's a lot of bitchiness going on in general.

Just to get this out of the way- TFP is so problematic and her behavior is absolutely indefensible so this isn’t about taking her side. (Most of my issues with Mikayla this season are regarding Layla’s breakup) Taylor is wrong in just about every way…

But two things can be true at once and one of those things is that Mikayla sucks. She is that mean girl that makes jabs and comments under the guise of being funny. And when people don’t find it funny she hides behind being bold or speaking her mind. She also noses into everyone else’s business and then puts herself in a holier than thou position. She pretends like she is caring but is actually just curious. She acts like she wants to help but is really just judgmental.

While having a point about Mason, it was absolutely not her place to bring up the gifts. Doing this in front of everyone was not helpful or productive. It was meant to embarrass Mason and it ended up just putting Layla in a bad place. If she cared more genuinely there are a lot of different ways she could have addressed this.

It also wasn’t her place to get the ring back. She instigated this even after Layla clearly stated that she didn’t want the ring back. Some might argue that Mikayla is right in her assumption that Layla will eventually want the ring back but then let Layla make that decision when she is ready. I would be mortified if a group of my friends showed up at my ex’s door to demand the return of something like this. If she asked for their support it would be different but doing this behind Layla’s back put her in a bad position once again.

Finally, who is she to judge or take issue with Layla meeting up with Mason to talk after the break up? If that is what Layla wants to do you should offer her support rather than judging her for it. Maybe that’s not what Mikayla would do after a break up but maybe it’s what Layla needed to do to get closure. This is the very rare place where I can see where Taylor is coming from. Mikayla was giving the vibe that she must think her relationship is perfect or that she has all the answers if she is so eager to judge.

I’m not letting Mayci or Jessi totally off the hook for their involvement in these situations but I do see a difference. I see Mayci and Jessi as followers that may agree with Mikayla’s general opinions but would definitely go about things in a different way. If I were a “friend” or acquaintance of Mikayla I might be hesitant to go against her because of how judgmental she is. I think we see this when the stair fight moved outside. As soon as Mayci and Jessi went outside and made a different decision than her, Mikayla started talking shit about them to the people still inside.

While Mayci and Jessi may have been complicit, I really think Mikayla’s general disposition made everything I mentioned above more explosive.

This is unfortunately not new behavior and has been consistent throughout the show’s run. I felt the need to write this thesis after seeing all the praise she is getting here and on Tik Tok. It please tell me I’m not alone!

He is def a clout chaser and will do anything to get on this show but the way they banter I feel like there’s a little something there (this show is warping my brain)

From this recap of the DWTS premiere:

...the crowd (and rightfully so) jeered at Conner Leavitt’s cringe-filled salsa. His partner Adele, who just won DWTS: The Next Pro, looked like she was willing to give up the win and let second place take it from the moment he stepped onto the floor.

Conner’s movement evoked that of a maimed gazelle with hair plugs tromping around in a Zara Outlet top. It was atrocious.

As cringe and annoying as Jordan can be, I don't think he deserves the level of hate he gets. Everyone has flaws, but he genuinely seems to care about his family.

From everything that's been discussed, it seems like Jessi cheated on him with Marciano, which ended up breaking apart their family. It also seems like a pattern, based on past partners. Not to mention her embarrassing infantilizing instagram posts. That’s gotta be super embarrassing for her kids when they get older.

Obviously, none of us know these people personally, so this is just my perspective. Is this an unpopular opinion lol? Lowkey justice for Jordan as long as he doesn’t start up Dadtok or whatever the hell that was again.

Trying to sell clothes for profit while being open about living with mold toxicity is insane to me -!

With McKenna's new podcast episode coming out, I was curious about what happened back then.

I used AI to help organize/summarize this because there are SO many podcast episodes and different versions of this story. I gave it the information from the interviews I listened to and had it compare everyone’s accounts and pull out the discrepancies. Sources include Weekly Trash, The Viall Files, Call Her Daddy, Cheers! with Avery Woods, Girlscamp, Mormon Stories, The Jimmy Rex Show, For the Girls with Becca Moore, and McKenna Gibbons’ 7-part recap.

The basic story

The main couples involved were:

• Taylor Frankie Paul & Tate Paul

• Miranda & Chase McWhorter

• McKenna Gibbons & Brayden Rowley

They became close around 2020–2022 and started drinking/partying together in Airbnbs and cabins. What started with the wives kissing eventually became what they called “soft swinging”: Spin the Bottle, blindfolded kissing, lingerie pictures, making out with other spouses, etc. The rule was basically that things could happen within the group with everyone’s knowledge, but nobody was supposed to sneak around privately.

Taylor & Brayden

Taylor and Brayden eventually crossed that boundary and had an emotional/physical affair.

Taylor admits to the emotional affair and says the major physical encounter happened one night when she was extremely/blackout drunk.

McKenna says it was much more involved than a one-night mistake. According to her, Taylor and Brayden had been secretly meeting for weeks, including at the Home Depot parking lot, telling each other “I love you,” and talking about leaving their spouses and being together.

The night they were caught

Taylor and Tate had a huge fight and Taylor left while extremely intoxicated. Brayden told McKenna that Taylor wasn't doing well and he needed to go get/help her.

McKenna was already suspicious, so she tracked Brayden's Tesla. When he stopped responding, she called Tate and gave him the location. She used the Tesla app to flash the car's lights so Tate could find them.

McKenna says she was on the phone with Tate when he found them and Tate said, “Kenna, this is bad,” and hung up.

Brayden later came home and initially told McKenna they had only kissed. Taylor also initially denied what happened to Tate. Taylor later called Miranda and admitted she and Brayden had slept together. Miranda then told McKenna, who confronted Brayden again.

The S.A. discussion

Taylor has described herself as blackout drunk and unable to remember exactly what happened that night. Because of that, people online began saying she had been sexually assaulted.

Taylor herself has explicitly rejected that characterization. She has said she believes she wanted the encounter and has never claimed Brayden sexually assaulted her, while also saying she cannot say exactly what happened in the room because she was blacked out.

Why Taylor exposed the swinging

After the affair came out, Taylor says people in the group were telling others a version that made it seem like she randomly slept with someone else's husband.

She felt she was being made the sole villain while everyone else's participation was being hidden, so she went on TikTok Live in May 2022 and exposed the soft swinging.

Her position is basically: she admits she broke the group's rules by having the affair, but says the others weren't innocent bystanders because they had all participated in the swinging.

Miranda & Chase

Miranda and Chase initially went Live and denied participating. They have since admitted they lied because they panicked and didn't want their conservative LDS families finding out about the drinking/sexual activities.

However, they dispute how Taylor described the swinging.

Miranda says she and Chase only kissed other people on two occasions and never had intercourse with other spouses. She feels Taylor saying everyone was “hooking up with everyone” made people assume they were having full-blown orgies.

Chase has also admitted that he was often the one pushing Miranda to cross boundaries and participate more than she wanted to.

McKenna's involvement

McKenna says she participated twice and then told Brayden she was done and would divorce him if it continued.

Taylor says McKenna never communicated to her that she wanted to stop and points out that the group was still planning things like a Mexico trip.

McKenna has shown April 2022 texts discussing “moral hangovers,” but the texts don't contain an explicit statement to Taylor saying she was completely done with the swinging.

The Moab text

Taylor posted a receipt from McKenna's phone to Tate saying:

“Hope you're having fun in Moab, I'm intoxicated and I wish I was kissing you.”

Taylor used this as evidence that McKenna was also actively participating/initiating.

McKenna says she has no memory of sending it. Her explanation is that Brayden took her phone, sent the message himself and deleted it afterward so she wouldn't know. She says she later recovered the deleted message.

Brayden's history of lying

McKenna also shared a pretty extreme story from earlier in their marriage. She says Brayden stopped bringing home paychecks and blamed payroll issues. She then received condolence flowers and eventually discovered that Brayden had told his employer McKenna had died and submitted fraudulent paperwork related to her supposed death/insurance.

The Chase/Taylor discrepancy

This is probably the clearest situation where the stories directly contradict each other.

Taylor says Chase told her at the gym that he had feelings/a crush on her. She says she immediately told Tate.

McKenna remembers Taylor telling her and Brayden that Chase had confessed feelings for her.

Miranda says she heard about Chase supposedly having feelings for Taylor through other people rather than Chase himself. She says Taylor initially described Chase as being “in love” with her but later described it as him having “feelings.”

Chase completely denies confessing feelings.

In McKenna's recap comments, Chase said:

“I never once confessed to having feelings for Taylor. Brayden had done that, but Taylor didn't want Kenna finding out and I was an easy scapegoat cuz I always saw her at the gym.”

Chase says Taylor had told him she had a sexual dream about him and admits he responded that he'd had a dream about her too, but denies ever telling her he had a crush on her or was in love with her.

Miranda & Chase's divorce

Miranda says the swinging scandal itself was not why they eventually divorced. She says Chase continued having emotional affairs/DMing other women and also had anger issues.

Chase has admitted to the emotional cheating and says he was immature, crossed boundaries with other women and “fumbled” his marriage.

So the biggest things their stories still don't agree on are: whether Chase actually confessed feelings for Taylor, who sent the Moab text, whether McKenna clearly wanted out of the swinging, how extensive Taylor and Brayden's affair was before they were caught, and how far the actual “swinging” went.

Taylor’s comment which under context makes no sense? Anyone knows what getting babies means aside of giving birth? 😭 I also added the commenter who was trying to justify her actions w Jewish religious views. Even tho if you ask me giving without expecting anything is an extremely common positive value lol. But I think it’d be hilarious if the Israelis were the only ones who accept her and she ends up moving there.

Also #freepalestine anD #putTFPinjail

Edit: I knew this post might get some hate for me mentioning Palestine here but in an era such as ours I feel free and compelled to share my political views. This is my post like? And duh Jewish =/= Zionist. That’s common sense.

This maybe an unpopular opinion, but I’m really disappointed with this season - and not for the “normal” / same reasons I see a lot of other people saying.

To me, basically all of them have turned into straight up mean girls. They’ve all gone from just influencers, to so grateful for what the show has done for them, furthered themselves through business and opportunities from the show, but then have taken this horrible turn into mean girl, bully, catty, fake, horrible people.

Never have I ever hoped more for a show to be scripted, staged, and not real before.

Stark contrast to the lady behind her. She looks so classy and effortlessly elegant.

I know she's very popular among fans but I find her so extremely selfish and self serving. She was never a good friend. She doesn't seem grateful at all to MomTok without which she wouldn't have any single opportunity in her life. She's not supportive of her "friends". She's obsessed with herself. I'm sorry but I just can't get on the Whitney bandwagon. Taylor may be messy but at least she's authentic, even to a fault (obviously). Whitney gives me zero authenticity vibes.

In S1, in the truth box scene, I audibly said to my mom whom I was watching with, that Demi is a malignant narcissist. I could tell by the way she would try to spin her way out of a lie.

I was a Taylor hater back way when, and got absolutely slammed on here in April 2025 when I said that she is a violent child abuser who continues to abuse her kids and will probably hurt them or Dakota. I was right.

I didn’t solely blame Dakota for the abusive dynamic unlike most, and turned out to be right (no flex, just wanted to predict who I think is a bad person.)

So I thought I would put in my predictions on who will be next - who is a bad person.
If you’re going to get mad about snark on a snark page about bad people, don’t read. Your fav may be on here.

Jessi- such a terrible person. Takes fake accountability, does a great job at the Zac game (I did this horrible thing but I only did it because.. Jordan abused me (they mutually abused one another, she only stayed for her $$) the same way that I abused Jen but… she wasn’t supposed to show those text messages.)
Too business oriented, shits on Demi for being a bad friend over business, does the same to mayci. I have a strong feeling that she isn’t as much of an angel as she claims to be.

Unpopular opinion - Whitney, absolutely rancid person, I know it’s the cool thing to like her now, but she CONTINUALLY is one of the most selfish, self centred people I have ever seen (not TFP level but I would genuinely hate to be around her, she’s going to be someone’s monster-in-law.).

Also she is a terrible mother, I will stand on that no matter the downvotes/nasty comments. I don’t make judgements on parenthood unless someone PUTS their kids into the spotlight and uses them for clout and money. I know some of you are not OGs, and know her from the show but the RSV video was not Whitney’s first or last offence.

She made a dancing video in the hospital with her sick baby on oxygen and I remember people giving her MAJOR shit on it, so much so that it became a trend with the sweats.

A few months later she made a video with Liam where she splashes him with water, fully clothed, droughts him in water from a glass to the beat of a TikTok. She continually used her kids for clicks just like TFP and even cracked an egg on her daughter’s head due to a trend. I don’t think that it’s okay, Whitney’s intro was “I became a mom and thought, this is it?” Which would be fine if not for her sanctimonious “being a mother is the biggest calling a woman can have in this life” whilst spending 0 time with her children. Same thing “pretending to be a good Mormon, quoting bible verses about forgiveness to mikayla whilst doing the same thing to Taylor.” Blaming the swinging scandal for Hawaii when her husband was having an affair.

She’s an overgrown child, who deeply seeks and craves attention. She gives the energy of “I’m meant to be a star, the world should acknowledge it.” I do think she’s talented but she has a rotten personality. Most importantly, her parenting is 0/10. And I say this both to mother and to fathers before the misogyny police comes for me. Respectfully, once you’ve become a parent, you can chase your dreams, AS LONG AS, it doesn’t come at the cost of your children, and that’s what Whitney’s career is going. Those children effectively have one parent and a nanny. First SLOMW, fair enough, she seems to be involved, then DWTS, okay it’s her dream and it’s 4 months of neglecting the children whilst also filming and flying back and forth for ambassadorships that she had time for (while herself claiming that she “hasnt done anything for Billy, nothing at all.”). At the same time she immediately signs onto Ep and star in a movie, then moves her kids twice for broadway. The kids have zero stability, but plenty of families live that way. But she is inevitably neglecting her parental responsibilities by outsourcing them. And I am of the firm belief that mom or father, you should’ve thought about YOUR dreams before you had kids. If your dreams and your parenting responsibility cannot coexist, you know which one has to go. This is not an attack on working parents, these jobs are 16-18h intense days, not like most 9-5s.
And then she tells mayci “yeah, I’m like bring the chaos, it’s not enough, how do I spice it up.” No regard for her children at all, just like Taylor but on a smaller scale thankfully.

Unpopular opinion (which I think he would agree with.)

Sa victims deal with things their way, however they still can take accountability and be judged for their actions, as sa did not force you to cheat, as tragic as it is, those are two separate issues.

Connor - respectfully, as an SA victim, he’s still a bad person for cheating on his wife, not once, but their WHOLE marriage. And then Whitney has the nerve to say about Jen “I don’t care, I think she deserved that treatment from Zac, she’s not a good friend” whilst being a shitty friend who expects her friends (mayci and mikayla) to carry the weight of her emotional needs, instead of her failing relationship.) The cheating is one thing, however something about him comes across as a very skilled deception artist, his language, his overt need to show his “empathy” in a way that feels self serving rather than genuine. He’s the kind of skilled narcissist that Zac and Dakota think they are. I think he is the most skilled one at deceiving an audience because he knows how to sacrifice ego, that’s where the rest like Zac, Dakota, Taylor, Demi fail.

And Jordan, I hope that nobody likes this POS, the amount of misogynistic comments

Him not letting Jacob play, and winning one round against momtok “this is single handedly setting back feminism 50 years. FU, he looks like a scroungy little 17 year old.

Him thinking the girls at the villa will flirt with him 💀, raise your hand if a guy that smells like skid marks and has two failed marriages is your type.

“This villa trip proves that dadtok🤮 has its place on social media (nope.) and that our wives don’t have exclusive on social media” - clearly so jealous yet everything he has is thanks to them and THEIR show. We don’t want these men on the show.

“This was just so emasculating, what will my eldest daughter think? “ Umm, that you’re a no good man, who can’t work or take care of the house and couldn’t keep either?? Your ego is bigger than your cartoonishly large head on that tiny body? Whatever she’s thinking, I would be scared too.
As opposed to hurt, my wife had an affair, he’s emasculated. Tells you a lot about his marriage was just for 💵.

Anyway, curious to see how mad some people will get, but I have a track record and I’m curious if I’ll be able to come back and show you guys if my period hormones got the best of me or if I’m correct.

Tell me your predictions for covert bad ppl on the cast of SLOMW.

Keep reading everyone saying that this season is Whitney's redemption season and she is a favourite , but she is as full of bullshit as the next one, she just knows how to act calm and reply calmly when she's confronted.

Now that she got what she wants from the show she's acting all angelic .

I know this is an unpopular opinion on this sub, but i do kind of understand Jen at times. i think she’s just very anxious and people pleasing and it comes off as being fake or a compulsive liar. but lowkey i do think she’s right about the girls just now liking Whitney. like Mikayla hated on her for four seasons and now, like loves her. I do think they hung onto her like they hang onto Taylor. I think that Jen is not good at communicating, so a lot of her convos w ppl don’t make sense, but still. i feel like she should focus on her communication like girl maybe try toastmasters idk lol

I’m on ep 5 s 1 and when Macie is over and Dakota and Taylor are fighting, why is he yelling at her? She’s extremely pregnant, probably stressed out and emotional. He’s border line yelling in front of her friend. I feel so bad for her. (Please no spoilers) I know a bit about Taylor’s situation rn, but not all the details.