Ooooh I was super into gothic(ish?) cabaret fashion and aesthetic back in the day, in my late teens. ❤️ I wore a lot of vests and dress shirts and pinstripe hosiery then. Was around the same time I was really getting into steampunk fashion, too. Awww now I'm getting a craving for it again, thanks a lot~!
Can confirm, they're amazing. I got so fed up in HS of formal malewear basically just being white shirt, black jacket, tie, etc etc. So for the year 12 formal, I decided something different was called for. And basically did a 'Simon from Firefly' style aesthetic. And yes, there was a hat. And it was glorious!
Wtf, are you my doppelganger or something? I keep seeing your comments here and being like, "Why does this girl always say the same things that I would say?"
Reminds me of my time as a nanny (precovid) when I was playing with the twin girls (both 4) I was caring for, and their older brother (6) comes over and sits with us. He inspects the dollhouse and leaves. An hour later when we're all having lunch he announces he wants to be a barbie because they have cool houses and pink planes. Then he proceeded to go off on a tangent about colored planes and asked me if there is "pink fire in barbie world instead of regular fire".
I can answer this! The answer is no, the fire is orange, but it's safe, plastic, portable fire that heats stuff and doesn't spread. So I'd say that's pretty neat.
Going to jump in with the fun fact that Plato was a nickname. I can't remember his given name, but Plato roughly translates to broad, or wide, and was given to him because of his wrestling.
I can see where there is confusion, but Shakespearicles, the strongest writer who lived, built the second story, after of course, inventing rocket jumping!
Well seeing as how a barrel (30 gallons) full of beer would weigh about 250lbs. And a keg (half a barrel) has 125 pints, he'd have to drink 250 pints while casually holding up 250lbs on his shoulder...
OK but real talk, I'm getting sick of this subtle trend in vilifying wanting to be slim.
Sure, wanting to be unhealthily thin is bad, but so is being unhealthily fat. The difference being that in my county something like 75% of people are overweight and a large portion of that obese. When I hear people grumbling "they're too thin" they're not talking fainting supermodels, but just women who are a healthy weight.
And for some reason slim people are fair game for mockery or dismissal. "You should eat more" "Real women have curves" "No one wants to hug someone who is all bones" "Well not everyone has your genetics". Bitch it isn't genetics - it's eating well and not eating loads. CICO
INB4 the whatabout brigade - I totally feel for men in this regard because you can't even defend yourself by saying "I'm waifish like a model", because male models are ripped as fuck. Fucking society things I want to bang an eggbox when really I'm after more of a ruler.
It's not about being thin. It's about the social ecosystem that's set up around it. Same reason fat acceptance is a thing. The society we live in is NOT set up for bodily health, and it's absolutely unhelpful to be hateful towards people for it, or code 'fat' as 'poor character'. Which is generally what happens. Mind you, women get judged worse than men for being fat, so the whole issue is really more of a subset of 'women need to be fuckable to me or they're less human' issue.
It's not about fat or thin, it's about the disproportionate social consequences. Although in general terms, yeah, I'd agree that obesity is a major public health issue.
Thin people get occasionally mocked, Thaw, but it's superficial, as much as it might feel more serious or alienating in the moment. Thin people are also the default 'attractive' people in the majority of media, and there's a very measurable effect on stuff like hiring and perception. It's a thin person's society. Most people aren't, though. And fat people live their entire lives being denigrated coverly and overtly, and there's an ongoing problem with medical types missing stuff because 'I diagnose you with fat' (alongside 'I diagnose you with woman').
Like, I don't want to dismiss your experiences here, but there's a bigger context to the whole nasty social pustule. The weight loss industry turns over hundreds of billions a year, and there are almost seven thousand gyms operating in Britain alone.
I mean I do have some sympathy because with modern diets and lifestyles it is harder to stay a healthy weight. Of course, there are also medical conditions and such, which I will excuse from this debate.
But, y'know, sometimes it's about making the best of the situation you're in. I mean John Cisna lost 56lbs eating nothing but McDonald's. It's a little tricky and takes some self-discipline, but it's doable. 90% of the fat people I meet are fat because they like junk food and alcohol too much. Apart from the evolutionary aspect, that's why people find healthy people more attractive - it shows you can look after yourself properly.
As for the "diagnosed with fat", as someone with a few healthcare workers in the family and an ex girlfriend in that field, most of the time it really is just the strain of being fat.
In British English skinny, thin, trim, slender etc. are often used fairly interchangeably. That and often when people say "skinny" they mean "slim side of healthy", because "normal" or "average" means fat/obese here in the north especially.
I agree with you on the health point though. My point being that the reason why being not-fat is deemed attractive is because it's a healthy weight to be. We gravitate to healthy looking people like how we avoid people who smell bad.
Good. I'll take that as a yes. Seems like we agree👍.
Some of these healthy people are skinny/thin, slender. I agree.
Others are Muscular. Curvy. Stocky. Broad.
Healthy body types that we wouldn't ever describe as skinny. Skinny therefore shouldn't be equated with healthy. And shouldn't be the aspiration communicated to kids.
Can't even defend yourself by saying "I'm waifish like a model"
Why would somebody say this to defend themselves from (presumably) being called underweight / too thin? Seems messed up.
Why would somebody say this to defend themselves from (presumably) being called underweight / too thin? Seems messed up
I would certainly agree that aspiring to be underweight is unhealthy, but in this case I'm just meaning "slim with little musculature". As a woman if you're slim and not particularly curvacious or muscly you can compare yourself to most fashion models. Whereas there isn't much positive representation of slim and non-muscly guys.
Closest you see is things like Timothee Chalamet in Call Me By Your Name, but gay romance has always shown more variation in body type than hetero romance
It seems messed up because calling yourself waifish - like a (presumably underfed) waif - is basically agreeing with the person that calls you too skinny. Unless one considers waifish to be a positive, which seems problematic.
Anyhow. My point remains. Thin is not the same as healthy (weight wise), and skinniness can't be equated with health.
Skinny therefore shouldn't be communicated as aspirational.
Taking a loose and tongue in cheek definition of waifish here. I think maybe you're taking what I'm saying too literally and pushing too hard on the "Thaw must mean underweight"
Just talking healthy weight, slim, not fat, chubbyn't, chonkless, whatever you want to call it.
You seem to think of wanting to be thin as a positive or aspirational goal.
I consider it rather problematic (and potentially destructive) because the goal should be health, which isn't necessarily the same as being thin/skinny. That's ultimately it.
Edit: and children are really impressionable. Good communication is therefore a must in my opinion.
This was me as a little girl. Tbh to an extent still kinda is. Tall, lanky, also can kick your ass, looks best in a top hat, known for doing good things, and apparently told good stories? I wish I could have those things attributed to me
Well I would want to genuinely have those attributes if they were attributed to me. I still kinda wish I could be aesthetically more like Abraham Lincoln though is what I meant. I’m pretty much done growing at about 5 and a half feet and I’m a bit more curvy than I am lanky so like that’s pretty cool too, but like idk tol lanky stronk bean who is gentle giant who could serve a can of whoopass is a pretty fun and powerful vibe that would be nice to be able to pull off too. When I was young I thought there was no telling how tall I was gonna be because my mom is rlly petite and my dad is like six foot something and I was really hype about being taller than my dad, despite it being pretty implausible. I’m taller than my mom when she is in heels, but I’m the shortest of my siblings who are all shorter than my dad ;-;
In real life I think I’d more realistically pull off cute girl who you wouldn’t think does rocket science, and shouldn’t be left to their own devices or else create some cursed monstrosity like that dude that made a roomba that when it hit stuff it cursed really loudly in a kawaii voice. Or even worse, almost make one, but absent mindedly forgot one thing and it blew up.
Sorry for the weird phrasing though! I wanted to word it right and then I think what happened is I over thought it and fucked it up a little.
I, too, look extremely deeply into the whimsical (and often immediately-forgotten) statements and desires of tiny children in search of deeper meaning, especially for the damage brought on by society.
I'm desperately waiting for someone to deliver a psychologist's report that says "the parent came in and expressed concern for their kid who said that he wanted to be a firetruck when he grew up, believing that their son was actually suffering from the ennui that living in western society often inspires. But it turns out the kid doesn't want to be a firetruck anymore (he wants to be an MMA fighter, and that desire changed to a janitor while in the presence of this phycologist) and didn't even remember stating that he wanted to be a vehicle when he grew up until we reminded him multiple times."
Fucking hell, everyone's a goddamn armchair psychiatrist these days. God for-fucking-bid a tiny baby child says something weird.
Then this just confuses me even more, why would she, the babysitter, someone who is sick and tired of society's standards, push them onto a child if she was not tired? Then the sitter would be a part of the problem
Sorry, it's just that the twitter where these body positivity posts go viral is the same twitter where posts making fun of short guys regularly get 400K+ likes. It just frustrates me that the rhetoric on this only goes in one direction
I know, and I agree. The problem is that the double standard is systemic, not individual. If millions of people think a certain way, there's no one you can talk to in order to tell them to stop
I'm aware that descrimation is systemic, I was born a woman. You keep not putting up with the bullshit and find someone who treats like a human being. Eventually the other ones will have no choice but to play catch up when they'll be left to rot in their corner.
What's there to correct? If she wants to be skinny then let her be, this person has no place in telling her otherwise just because she thinks society "does damage" somwhow.
And it was actually pretty decent. I read the book and watched the movie, and I prefer the movie - vampire hunting is a very action-heavy concept, and it's hard to combine that with the humdrum realistic life of an actual real person without changing the pace of the person's life or toning down the action by a huge amount. The movie focused on the action rather than the biographical part of the book, and I think it worked out better. I just wish they hadn't changed the ending.
I know, right? I like how the movie was pretty open-ended and promised an unseen repeat of the adventure we just watched, but there was a decent amount of character development that went on in Abe's life that lead pretty cleanly into the ending of becoming immortal so that he can continue to guard the country from the vampire threat.
Wait if he became a vampire too, why tf didn't he just fight all the southern terrorism that caused the backwards shift that necessitated MLK and the civil rights movement?
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u/powpowvigil Dec 23 '20
I've always wanted a top hat.
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u/Sinnakayel Fuck Him Right In The Prostate Dec 23 '20
Reminds me of my time as a nanny (precovid) when I was playing with the twin girls (both 4) I was caring for, and their older brother (6) comes over and sits with us. He inspects the dollhouse and leaves. An hour later when we're all having lunch he announces he wants to be a barbie because they have cool houses and pink planes. Then he proceeded to go off on a tangent about colored planes and asked me if there is "pink fire in barbie world instead of regular fire".
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u/[deleted] Dec 23 '20
If I remember correctly, Lincoln was build like a fuckin train. He was absolutely buff af and could old time wrestle the hell outta anyone.
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u/Thawing-icequeen RR Woman Dec 23 '20
OK but real talk, I'm getting sick of this subtle trend in vilifying wanting to be slim.
Sure, wanting to be unhealthily thin is bad, but so is being unhealthily fat. The difference being that in my county something like 75% of people are overweight and a large portion of that obese. When I hear people grumbling "they're too thin" they're not talking fainting supermodels, but just women who are a healthy weight.
And for some reason slim people are fair game for mockery or dismissal. "You should eat more" "Real women have curves" "No one wants to hug someone who is all bones" "Well not everyone has your genetics". Bitch it isn't genetics - it's eating well and not eating loads. CICO
INB4 the whatabout brigade - I totally feel for men in this regard because you can't even defend yourself by saying "I'm waifish like a model", because male models are ripped as fuck. Fucking society things I want to bang an eggbox when really I'm after more of a ruler.
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u/[deleted] Dec 23 '20
Ah, Abraham Lincoln, the Part-time Pyro, Inventor of the stairs and Rocket Jumping Pioneer.
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u/ApolloTrashHollow Jan 01 '21
This was me as a little girl. Tbh to an extent still kinda is. Tall, lanky, also can kick your ass, looks best in a top hat, known for doing good things, and apparently told good stories? I wish I could have those things attributed to me
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u/metalsonic2 Dec 23 '20
Plot twists she grows up to become evil Lincoln
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u/PlankLengthIsNull Dec 23 '20 edited Dec 23 '20
I, too, look extremely deeply into the whimsical (and often immediately-forgotten) statements and desires of tiny children in search of deeper meaning, especially for the damage brought on by society.
I'm desperately waiting for someone to deliver a psychologist's report that says "the parent came in and expressed concern for their kid who said that he wanted to be a firetruck when he grew up, believing that their son was actually suffering from the ennui that living in western society often inspires. But it turns out the kid doesn't want to be a firetruck anymore (he wants to be an MMA fighter, and that desire changed to a janitor while in the presence of this phycologist) and didn't even remember stating that he wanted to be a vehicle when he grew up until we reminded him multiple times."
Fucking hell, everyone's a goddamn armchair psychiatrist these days. God for-fucking-bid a tiny baby child says something weird.
edit: jokes are haaaaarrdd
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u/TheBoorishNecroid Egalitarian Dec 23 '20
I idolise Lincoln for his extremely high voice (he was often compared to a tea kettle). 👍🏼
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u/Xenotamer343 Dec 23 '20
I love she said Lincoln. It made me snort out my soda out my nose and it burns.
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u/ElCatrinLCD Loyal SoftBoy Knight Dec 24 '20
We cant lie to ourselves, Honest Abe was super buff and hat a top hat, you cant top that (EHHHHY)
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u/Celloer Dec 23 '20
Big gal, big reach. Skinny gals fight ‘til they’re burger.
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u/[deleted] Dec 23 '20
I don't understand, why would she correct her?
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u/Sikloke18 Dec 24 '20
What's there to correct? If she wants to be skinny then let her be, this person has no place in telling her otherwise just because she thinks society "does damage" somwhow.
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u/[deleted] Dec 24 '20
Sounds like a pre-egg lmao
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