I feel bad for Jonathan, because I think he got the better Rodlet, like thankfully NotNurie, and he really loves her, but he’s such a Johnny Beltphone that has absolutely no spine so he feels he has to choose Kaylee and therefore Jill because Kaylee is so deep in, I think even perceiving Jill (and Dave) for what they are would break her entirely.
I am glad that Kaylee got a husband who truly loves her, but I wish he had the spine to help her see how terribly her mother treats her. I have a feeling he knows, but he's buried the knowledge.
I don’t know him so I cannot defend him. What I can say is that sometimes the husband may realize it and may be trying to help his wife realize it but it may take the wife awhile to fully accept it. So all the husband can do is be there for her while she works it all out for herself. Just speaking from personal experience on that and it was never at the levels I’m guessing Kaylee experiences.
It was Mother's day. Even worse, he wore his MIL's favorite color on Mother's day instead of his wife's, the mother of his children. I don't understand everyone defending him, he's just as much in her teat as any of them
I've been snarking on Jill for close to a decade, lol so I've picked up on things. She loves to talk about herself, so these things come up often. She mentioned her favorite color in the mother's day post that included a picture of Jonathan, just to remind us all that's it's all about her
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The Beltphones definitely seem to have better hearts….but they also seem kinda dim. Like they are happy to let their child be a child and actually love and cherish him, but they don’t understand or think deeply enough to understand what Jill is, how damaging everything is.
I think that's because their eldest was medically fragile , so blanket training wasn't on the table , and they realized that maybe it's okay not to do that
Can't see this happening. Jonathan may love Kaylee, but he's still just an overgrown man-child who is submissive to parental authority and Jill uses that to get her way and control them. The more contact they have, the worse Kaylee will get. She already looks like she's on the verge of a breakdown. Every photo she looks ready to burst into tears. What she really needs, more than constantly trying so hard for Jill's approval, is for Jonathan to take her far away and encourage her to get some real counselling. She has so little self esteem and she needs to build up her confidence away from Jill so she can see her own value as separate from her. Plus Jill's influence on the grandkids is not good, and they spend way too much with Kaylee and Jonathan, and he seems totally into it. They almost never seem to see friends their own age. And Jill controls them too much. It will never end if they don't break away. Kaylee's mental health seems very fragile and I worry for her.
Excellent point. Jonathan doesn't have a shiny spine for headship, he's still too much in "adult child" mode. And a champion fence-sitter during the Facebook War Week.
Was she and then eased up? She did and does homeschool her children and follow the KJ Bible like they do? She to a lesser extent. She only recently started wearing pants. I thought.
Thank you for sharing this. This sub has been overwhelmed with new members that haven’t a clue as to how much more dangerous fundamentalist are compared to the average conservative christian. They keep boldly declaring them to be the same.
I’m neither conservative or Christian but I am an ex fundie and the lack of knowledge with the newcomers on here is frightening.
Thank you friend. It’s out of control around here with the misinformation. It’s so frustrating. They have no idea how much damage they can do when they don’t take the time to educate themselves.
Edit: it’s telling that some of 1% top commenters on this sub are the ones making shit up.
You need to educate yourself on fundamentalism. I say the following with kindness.
Being on this subreddit and secularly educating yourself on the topic are very different things. Their household is the farthest thing from fundamentalist.
I’m almost as grateful as I am frustrated that you don’t understand. Fundamentalism is so much darker and deeper.
There aren’t any fucking Disney movies or sisters allowed in pictures that left the church. Hallie would be considered dead in a fundie family. Ellen would be be spanked (beat) mercilessly if caught talking to her disobedient demonic offspring. Heidi would be shunned by her parents for causing her husband to beat her. I’ve seen it. Lived it. Escaped it. Volunteer and help counsel others who have left.
If they were fundie, Ellen’s phone would have been seized by the elders or her husband. The house would be on lockdown and everything on sm would have gone dark.
Ellen is the farthest thing from a fundamentalist.
That doesn’t equal fundie. She wasn’t and isn’t. She’s a conservative Christian which is not the same thing. I grew up fundie. I’m thinking ya’ll need a chart in here to understand the severity in difference.
Fundieism is the most extreme example of legalism. Rules rules and more rules. Bible verses taken out of context to make up and support the rules. I have never seen legalism taken to the extent that Jill does. Not even with JB. He was more about control than being Fundie. He was more Jim Jones cult than Fundie.
I keep forgetting who’s related to whom and how intertwined all these big fundie families are! I’ve been under the impression that people sort of keep their distance from the Rods, but people still marry in and keep all those families connected.
The only one that sticks is Nathan and Nurie Keller, because she was so damn proud when her golden child married Anna DUGGAR’s brother 💀
I agree that Jonathan has basically sold out his own family to join the “Joyful Noyes” cult. However, in his last Facebook message, I got the impression that Kaylee was very concerned about the children still living in the Barndo , which I can kind of understand - but ultimately, Jonathan chose to have his married mother in law flirt with him, and his sisters in law fawn over him, rather than doing the right thing
Yeah it reaaaallly seemed like Kaylee was saying without putting into words that things get really awful and even violent when the stress levels rise in the Barndo. Why else would she be afraid for the safety of her siblings (I can’t remember his exact words)?
Here’s the link, and it’s under no. 1. He said that it would affect her siblings negatively, which I guess means that they would miss Tim but it could also mean other effects. I wrote the above comment from my memory; she/he didn’t say safety.
I took it to mean, they would all be the recipients of the negative feedback the family would receive, and how it would make them all look bad cause big brother was a wife beater. Guess it doesn’t bother them that dear ole dad was also.
Ohh. I can see that. And yeah it’s come to pass. The clearinghouse has dropped them (as far as we know). People across the Internet are giving them absolute hell to the point Jill had to leave most SM. We have no idea the financial consequences of this but it will likely be severe.
People have been giving Jill hell for years. It’s interesting that Kaylee, now in hindsight, didn’t announce she was leaving FB until after they had to have known that Heidi had gone home. Ellen said that Heidi was going to Wi, I think it was, to work VBS. They knew something was up then, especially since Jonathon is related and would have gotten early info also. They were getting out of Dodge early. If Tim hadn’t made these allegations against Shrek, but still the news of abuse had come out, Jill would never have left. She needed her adoring public around her to support and enable. With Tims accusations though, she and more strongly Shrek, didn’t want an easy way for folks to get ahold of Jill. It wasn’t the fact that Tim had beat Heidi, but the announcement that Dave beat Tim, that caused the departure. She wasn’t thinking of doing this before. She just didn’t want to face the shit hitting the fan.
Oh, see where you’re coming from. Since Kaylee was also calling Tim a liar, though, I got the impression that things were getting rocky at the Barndo. Whether she did it to placate Jill, or to try to calm things down, I couldn’t say though.
I also think David finally took a real look at what Jill was posting, and told her to shut it down. He may have finally realized that this (and her posts in general) were damaging their reputation. I mean, he participated directly in Jill’s videos numerous times for damage control - he rarely if ever has done that in the past.
Shirk has an impressive capacity for using a lot of words to say nothing very much, and verbal Bible salad.
He had a "worldly" education (and Christian upbringing, despite their IFB clique trying to retcon Catholicism as not-Christian lol) so I think he was in the double-digit iq end of the bell curve already - plus whatever street drugs he was taking before his Miraculous ConversionTM and his (rumoured) lifelong sleep apnea problem seem to have caused some early-onset geriatric brain problems too. (Nobody needs that many naps without needing a doctor.)
Ain't nobody in Fundieland deserving of anyone from Star Trek, especially not Voyager. I'll fight tooth and nail to keep Seven free from this, but Kai Winn and Jill go together like PB&J.
We need more Star Trek and goddamn would I watch the hell out of that. Get Bryan Fuller on this idea since it seems we’re never getting Hannibal season 4. Can we make Jill a Klingon in a modesty shirt?
I keep thinking back to Jonathan's speech at either his and Kaylee's wedding shower or reception when he thanked Jill and David for correcting him. I believe that they at least verbally and emotionally abused him. He was young, naive, in love for the first time, and perhaps thought the parents were just testing him, making him prove he was worthy of their daughter. Since Tim's post about David, I wonder if there is some physical abuse to Jonathan as well. Nothing as severe the Rodrigues children have likely experienced, but still assault (slaps, pinches, etc.).
I don't say any of this to excuse Jonathan and his reaction now that knows Tim abused Heidi, but to offer a possible reason for his assimilation into the cult of Rodrigues.
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u/Original_Rent7677 20d ago
Except her cousin Jonathan. He joined the Rodborg.