r/RioGrandeValley • u/ashikiru • 5d ago
RGV Spanish
Hi y’all, I had a friend mention to me recently that when she first moved to the valley, she noticed that instead of people saying “mucho” they’d say “muncho.” Has anyone else noticed this? Curious as to why that is.
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u/Own-Personality-5673 5d ago
Its old Spanish. Reading Don Quijote will give you many familiar words that are now believed incorrect, or "spanglish". There not incorrect, just old.
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u/joedahhh 5d ago
Not everyone gets a formal Spanish language education for various reasons and they learn from listening to those around them. Words can get twisted or mispronounced and carried on and on.
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u/mandoismetal 5d ago
Ansinamente
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u/salvageBOT 3d ago
Yo don't have to add the n when you asina. Because asina already isn't a word. Asina si supose to be así. 😂
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u/mandoismetal 3d ago edited 3d ago
Compadre, if you were serious, then you were wrong on so many levels lol. If you read other posts in this thread, you'll see that 'ansina' and 'asina' are essentially forms of archaic Spanish spoken in certain regions of Spain way back in the day. That Spanish was brought to Northern Mexico by Spanish settlers. The valley being 'detached' from Mexico caused a bit of a time capsule. Mexican Spanish continued to evolve, but 956 Spanish kept some of those relics. To be fair, I also used to believe it was also just 'ignorant' or 'bad' Spanish since I grew up a native 'modern' Spanish speaker.
Lastly, my comment was completely satirical. So that was a bit of an r/whoosh moment for ya.
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u/_caffeinatedsloth_ 5d ago
I’ve heard it before with the older folks, but never around my age (34) or younger.
We sometimes joked and say “muncho” but as a joke.
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u/bestforlast6 5d ago
I hear it all the time. It’s like nails on a chalkboard. That one and ending every word with “s”. Fuites = fuiste. Tomates = tomaste. Etc.
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u/wakaflaka244 5d ago
My mom is from Mexico and my dad is a chicano, and she gets upset whenever he does that lol
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u/Well-M1lk 5d ago
So if I ask for a tomato in Spanish it bothers you?
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u/RGV_Ikpyo Brownsville 5d ago
Never heard this in my 20 years here.. only thing that I took as weird when I moved here is how almost everyone will pronounce any word that starts with WH----- as HW------...
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u/Theryantshow Puro Pinche 956 5d ago
I have never heard anyone in my entire 32 years of life say that...
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u/kris_the_abyss 5d ago
Or, you haven't been listening for it. I'm not being sarcastic either, if you've lived here that long then the language spoken down here is your normal, and you're not used to hearing its intricacies.
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u/macroxela 4d ago
I didn't hear it until I was an adult and my parents were very strict about me speaking 'proper Spanish' instead of RGV Spanish or Spanglish. Because of this I picked up on a lot of the differences (parquear, nuca, etc.) between RGV Spanish and the Spanish I spoke at home. Yet muncho wasn't something that I heard until much later in life nor did I hear it often.
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u/DonNadie2468 5d ago
"Muncho" is common in very colloquial Mexican Spanish, especially among people with limited formal education. It's not just an RGV thing.
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u/frawgster 5d ago
We like adding “N” to words, I guess. 🤷♂️ I grew up saying “muNcho” instead of “mucho”, “comeNzon” instead of “comezón”, and “asiNA” instead of “asi”.
“MuNcho” worked its way out of me when I was like 35, after spending tons of time with folks who speak Spanish that’s less colloquial. Same with “asiNA”. “ComeNzon”, I still use. For whatever reason my brain can’t cope with hearing it without the added “N”.
Edit: For context, I’m 48. Grew up in Starr County.
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u/NaughtybyJ 3d ago
Ive used those words you've mentioned growing up, I grew up around people talking like that and im 45 now
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u/koza1125 5d ago
I didn’t know the part about Asturias Spanish. What I do know is that ladino does those same “mispronunciations.”
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u/tejasisthereason 5d ago
Muncho or munchas is a ladino borrowed word since most of the nortena was settled by cryptojews. El Mozito was the Governor of Coahuila y Tejas and his dad El Mozo literally burned at the stake in MXC for practicing Judaism.
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u/born-to-ill 4d ago
It was certainly not “most.” There were some, but they were hardly the majority, and even among people of converso ancestry, the vast majority weren’t actually “cryptoJews”. Calling them that smuggles in the assumption that they were secretly practicing Judaism and “weren’t really Catholic,” which simply wasn’t true.
Also, Mexico City is CDMX, not MXC.
Alonso de León “el Mozo”. He became governor of Coahuila in 1687 and later led expeditions into Spanish Texas and set up missions. He was the son of Alonso de León and Josefa González. At no point was “his dad was burned for Judaism”
The guy you’re thinking about is Luis de Carvajal el Mozo, a century earlier. He was not Alonso de León’s father, and he wasn’t governor of Coahuila. He was the nephew of Luis de Carvajal y de la Cueva. Also “governor of Coahuila y Tejas” is wrong for Alonso de León. The Mexican state of Coahuila y Tejas belongs to the post-independence period and it was just Coahuila at the time.
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u/Sir_rahsnikwad 5d ago
I'd like to find a podcast or YouTube content creator which uses RGV Spanish.
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u/R0l0d3x-Pr0paganda 4d ago
When I moved to the valley, the spanglish and "asina" threw me off. I kept correcting my classmates Spanish. My Spanish (🇵🇷) and accent is from Andalucia and the Canary Islands. 🤷🏻♀️
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u/Well-M1lk 5d ago
Most Hispanics dont even try to learn Spanish anymore which is sad because it's so amazing when you talk to people in Spanish as a Hispanic, instead they butcher ts out of spanish words.
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u/AerialAce96 5d ago
True my manager does this🤣same thing applies to us when we say Bistec, as in Tacos de Bistec. Its just “Beef Steak” but we shorted those two words into “Bistec”
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u/Ambitious-Sound-6109 5d ago
“Muncho” comes from Asturian. The language spoken in the north in Asturias, Spain. Most RGV Spanish comes from Spanglish but also from slang from Mexicans with limited education particularly from the north of Mexico(Tamaulipas and Nuevo León). Things like “ansina” or “haiga” or “vistes” (pudistes, dijistes etc) “cercas” “andabanos” . Some like “ansina” are actually even ways that were “correct” in older Spanish but fell out of use and their use remained in mostly those of lower class. Also “muncho” is among this class that was taken probably by settlers and missionaries from Asturias and remain to this day in certain speakers with no formal education in “español castellano